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No Evidence.............

Aberration said:
They had that chance in the House.
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Let's try this again. They requested in the House. trump refused. They subpoenaed in the House. trump criminally refused.
 
Over 15,000 at 1:23 AM are still watching this circus in the Senate on just the FOX feed.
 
Craig234 said:
Let's try this again. They requested in the House. trump refused. They subpoenaed in the House. trump criminally refused.
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since I actually have some understanding of the law-let me ask you this

WHAT statute states that one branch of the three branches of federal government-refusing the orders of another branch is "criminal"

what part of the constitution supports such a claim that a crime was committed.

where is the COURT ORDER demanding Trump do what the Democrats in congress wanted

I await your legal answer since you made a legal based argument
 
Craig234 said:
Let's try this again. They requested in the House. trump refused. They subpoenaed in the House. trump criminally refused.
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If it was a crime, what court convicted him?
 
Craig234 said:
Let's try this again. They requested in the House. trump refused. They subpoenaed in the House. trump criminally refused.
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What part of "So what, that was his right?" was unclear?

Aberration said:
If it was a crime, what court convicted him?
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Be nice. No court would even try the case.
 
Luckyone said:
The OP is not about parties but about laws and the Constitution.


Are you are against evidence that proves guilt or innocence being provided? Are you for the defendant deciding what evidence can be provided and which not? Are you against our established laws?

This is the question in the OP. There is nothing in the OP that talks about Party.
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I would hope that there was already evidence for the House of Representatives to draft the Impeachment charges in the first place.
 
Aberration said:
If it was a crime, what court convicted him?
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If you murdered your wife and didn't get caught, was it not a crime? If trump commits a crime and as president the DoJ refuses to indict him, Republicans refuse to impeach him, does that make his crimes not crimes? If you can't look at the fact, that's your problem, not mine.
 
holbritter said:
I would hope that there was already evidence for the House of Representatives to draft the Impeachment charges in the first place.
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There was. And there is more evidence being withheld criminally.
 
eohrnberger said:
Why did the Democrats make their articles of impeachment and the process to arrive at them so partisan?
And please don't insult my intelligence by claiming it wasn't.



Producing the evidence for the Senate to hear was the House's job, as defined by the Constitution. They didn't bother to do it, or do it well enough or sufficiently enough to warrant articles of impeachment. :shrug:
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Bottom line (and all the talking and all the excuses are meaningless in this respect) is that the President of the United States has the responsibility of putting the country above his own desires and wants. If he used government funds and extorted the president of Ukraine to gain a personal political advantage, it is not in the benefit of the United States and it is impeachable.

This forces the impeachment trial to occur. The trial is there to find the truth about whether he did or not and the truth is what is important here, not the process, not the bias of the parties, and not the excuses. It is whether the President did what was best for the country or not.

It is that simple and all the excuses will not erase the fact that evidence of guilt or innocence is what needs to come out in its entirety.
 
Integrityrespec said:
May be they don't find the democrats to have a compelling case. May be that the democrats have been promising to impeach the President for something for 3 years now. May be that the Collusion Delusion prove to be bogus but the democrats promised they had the goods, the proof according to Schiff which he claimed to have but never provided. Simply the democrats have cried wolf for years and produced nothing so why would anyone trust what they say. We know they were complicit in sham of a Mueller investigation on Collusion and we know Schiff is a liar.
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BRAVO! You just made my point. It is entirely possible that the Democrats have done everything you suggest. Isn't it then imperative that all the evidence come out so that the American people will get to know what is reality? Is Trump conning the nation for his benefit or are the Democrats conning the nation for their benefit. Do you not want to know what is reality? If you do, why would you not want EVIDENCE to that effect to come out?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Oh...

So now, you think the Chief Justice is in on it?

You are apparently listening to propaganda. He is making the decisions now.
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No, the Chief Justice is NOT making decisions now. He is not deciding anything. He is simply there to preside the impeachment and make sure that the laws are followed. More and new evidence is something that needs to be decided by the majority of the Senate. The Chief Justice does not have a vote.
 
TurtleDude said:
Oh the drama: your biased hysterics that find a 53 out of 53 vote partisan but a 47 out of 47 not partisan is pathetic. The fact is, the Dems are just as partisan as the Elephants, but they have less votes.
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Yes and no. Both the Republicans and the Democrats are partisan but finding the truth should never be partisan. Truth is what should be wanted 100% by everyone. If on side wants truth and the other side does not want truth to come out, then you have corruption and the Constitution does not support corruption.

On the case of all evidence being provided, which is what the Democrats are asking for and the Republicans do not want, it is not a partisan thing. The Republicans are simply wrong because lack of evidence means lack of truth.
 
holbritter said:
I would hope that there was already evidence for the House of Representatives to draft the Impeachment charges in the first place.
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There was and in my opinion they proved their point. Nonetheless, more evidence has come out since the impeachment was voted on and that evidence needs to be presented.

Let me ask you a stupid question. If new evidence came out after the impeachment vote was taken that would exonerate Trump, would you vote for it to come out or not come out?

Please answer.
 
joko104 said:
Obama was a study in "abuse of power." Every president has abused their power. So does about everyone in Congress.

Sob and rant all you want, "abuse of power" is not a basis for impeachment in the US Constitution. On behalf of Joe Biden, they opted NOT to use "bribery/extortion." When they did, they erased having prima facie Article of Impeachment as required by the US Constitution.
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OK. Just remember, any precedent being said in this trial is precedent for the future- even for a President Biden or Sanders.

From blinded greed in climate change denial to imprudent tax cuts, the GOP is like the drunk sailor who lives for today and doesn’t care what happens tomorrow. They think if they can just get through today, they win. This ridiculous level of shortsightedness is going to bite them in all sorts of ways in the future.

But yeah, let’s watch them destroy the systems of justice and fairness on which their current power rests. What can go wrong?

Just don’t come crying back to us when the shoe is on the other foot.
 
Moderate Right said:
Ummmmmmmmm, the Democrats have 47 and voted 47. That's about as partisan as you can get. Why do the Democrats have to be so partisan?
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Because trump is guilty. Why are the republicans being so partisan and refusing to allow in the evidence that shows his guilt?
 
Luckyone said:
A vote on whether to allow new evidence into the impeachment trial was voted on today and did not pass on a 53-47 vote. It was 100% a partisan vote because that is exactly the difference between Republicans and Democrats in the Senate.

Why are the Republicans being partisan on this? Is evidence a political thing? Is the Constitution against evidence being produced? Is providing evidence against our established laws?

None of the above. Evidence is this case is thought to be damaging to Trump and therefore on a partisan basis they voted against it.

Where are we now? Have we decided to throw out our justice system that has been the backbone of our country for 240 years? Have we now decided that truth is no longer important? Are we now more interested in our perceived benefits that in defending our Constitution and our laws?

What happens in the future when some other president that the Republicans are against is then impeached for actions against the Constitution and he gets away with whatever he has done because he refused subpoenas and hid evidence simply because he was able to do so and the party in charge supported him? Is that what you want? Is that what you would support even if it against your political views?

I cannot understand anyone voting against evidence being provided. All Trump supporters have used the law when it has been in their favor, such as the phrase "innocent until proven guilty" being used every single day against the accusations being leveled against Trump. Now you are in favor of no evidence that proves innocence or guilt being introduced?

If that is the case, you are then proving the point that our nation (not just our political representatives) has become corrupt. Corruption from the bottom to the top and not just at the top.

If you believe in our Constitution and believe in our laws that state that guilt has to be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt", you need to support the introduction of all evidence that is available! It is the only way that guilt or innocence can be proven! Simple as that!
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You are claiming republicans are being partisan as democrats try to overturn an election simply because they lost? Thats hilarious. Repubs should shove this up democrats asses sideways with the most partisan process possible to teach them a lesson.
 
AlphaOmega said:
You are claiming republicans are being partisan as democrats try to overturn an election simply because they lost? Thats hilarious. Repubs should shove this up democrats asses sideways with the most partisan process possible to teach them a lesson.
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The Articles of Impeachment say NOTHING about "because they lost." Please do try to keep up.
 
HumblePi said:
Every witness who testified, every email document and whatsapp conversation -- a literal mountain of evidence -- has been inculpatory to Trump's guilt. Trump has not offered one shred of exculpatory evidence, no witnesses, no documents, absolutely nothing.
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Yep

But the republicans are like the 3 monkeys. Ignore the evidence and protect their phoney baloney jobs

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rickc said:
Yep

But the republicans are like the 3 monkeys. Ignore the evidence and protect their phoney baloney jobs

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Not only do they ignore the evidence they lie shameless like Jay Sekelow and Pat Cipollone did last night. But I suppose if you're trying to defend a liar there's only one thing you can do and that's to lie just as much as he does. Not only did they both lie, they lied right in front of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court who knew very well they were both lying.

Trump Impeachment Defense Lawyers Botch Senate Opening Arguments - Bloomberg

Trump’s Lawyers Should Be Ashamed of Themselves

The president’s defense team opened the Senate impeachment trial by botching the facts and making pointless arguments.
 
AlphaOmega said:
You are claiming republicans are being partisan as democrats try to overturn an election simply because they lost? Thats hilarious.
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No, because he is a criminal. Not so hilarious.

Repubs should shove this up democrats asses sideways with the most partisan process possible to teach them a lesson.
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OK. Just remember what goes around comes around. Be careful what game you choose to play.

Remember, what happens in this impeachment hearing is precedent for future ones.
 
Luckyone said:
Yes and no. Both the Republicans and the Democrats are partisan but finding the truth should never be partisan. Truth is what should be wanted 100% by everyone. If on side wants truth and the other side does not want truth to come out, then you have corruption and the Constitution does not support corruption.

On the case of all evidence being provided, which is what the Democrats are asking for and the Republicans do not want, it is not a partisan thing. The Republicans are simply wrong because lack of evidence means lack of truth.
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The Democrats don't want truth. They want their narrative to be validated.
 
AlphaOmega said:
You are claiming republicans are being partisan as democrats try to overturn an election simply because they lost? Thats hilarious. Repubs should shove this up democrats asses sideways with the most partisan process possible to teach them a lesson.
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Whether they are doing what you say they are doing that is not the point of the OP. The point of the OP is whether new evidence of guilt "or" innocence should be allowed to be shown. Evidence is not partisan. It is the truth and uncovers the truth. Both Republicans and Democrats should be looking for the truth. It is something everyone should seek, no matter the party.

Are you saying you are not for evidence to be shown that would make the accusation either true "or" false. If you are so convinced that Trump has done no wrong, you should be supporting all evidence being shown, right?

Only a guilty party does not want evidence shown! That is a universal truth that has no bias attached to it.
 
Craig234 said:
If you murdered your wife and didn't get caught, was it not a crime? If trump commits a crime and as president the DoJ refuses to indict him, Republicans refuse to impeach him, does that make his crimes not crimes? If you can't look at the fact, that's your problem, not mine.
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It’s not a crime just because half of the House in party lines says so.
 
Lutherf said:
The Democrats don't want truth. They want their narrative to be validated.
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You may be 100% right. If you are though, then it makes no sense for the Republicans not allowing the truth to come out, right? After all, the people they want testifying are all "Republicans" that work or worked for Trump. They are HIS team. and as such, should be biased for him and not against him, right? If Mulvaney, Pompeo and Bolton testified they would be "for" Trump and not against him, unless of course, they value truth over lies and value not being accused of perjury. Why not allow them to testify? How would their testimony support the Democratic narrative if they testify that Trump did no wrong?

See is you can answer that question!
 
Logician Man said:
The Articles of Impeachment say NOTHING about "because they lost." Please do try to keep up.
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Of course they don't. Dems can't impeach for that thats why they make stuff up for their useful idiots to gorge themselves on. Do you think it's a coincidence dems said they were going to impeach Trump before theu claimed to have a reason to do it? That alone should trigger your full of ****dar but it didn't. I find that fascinating.
 
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