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    Re: No Evidence.............

    Quote Originally Posted by Drawdown View Post
    The Senate cannot get direct witnesses because the democrats in the House refused to litigate the issue.
    That wasn't the question. I asked whether you believed they should be blocked from testimony. Your answer, or rather lack of an answer, says all it needs to. You're more interested in "winning" than you are interested in the truth.
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    Re: No Evidence.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    That wasn't the question. I asked whether you believed they should be blocked from testimony. Your answer, or rather lack of an answer, says all it needs to. You're more interested in "winning" than you are interested in the truth.
    You can assume whatever you want. That is what the democrats did in their "investigation" so you are in good company

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    Quote Originally Posted by less right View Post
    Nice try. Not how it works. But keep on believing and we'll all be heiling the chief.
    And HOW do you think it works?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyone View Post
    A vote on whether to allow new evidence into the impeachment trial was voted on today and did not pass on a 53-47 vote. It was 100% a partisan vote because that is exactly the difference between Republicans and Democrats in the Senate.

    Why are the Republicans being partisan on this? Is evidence a political thing? Is the Constitution against evidence being produced? Is providing evidence against our established laws?

    None of the above. Evidence is this case is thought to be damaging to Trump and therefore on a partisan basis they voted against it.

    Where are we now? Have we decided to throw out our justice system that has been the backbone of our country for 240 years? Have we now decided that truth is no longer important? Are we now more interested in our perceived benefits that in defending our Constitution and our laws?

    What happens in the future when some other president that the Republicans are against is then impeached for actions against the Constitution and he gets away with whatever he has done because he refused subpoenas and hid evidence simply because he was able to do so and the party in charge supported him? Is that what you want? Is that what you would support even if it against your political views?

    I cannot understand anyone voting against evidence being provided. All Trump supporters have used the law when it has been in their favor, such as the phrase "innocent until proven guilty" being used every single day against the accusations being leveled against Trump. Now you are in favor of no evidence that proves innocence or guilt being introduced?

    If that is the case, you are then proving the point that our nation (not just our political representatives) has become corrupt. Corruption from the bottom to the top and not just at the top.

    If you believe in our Constitution and believe in our laws that state that guilt has to be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt", you need to support the introduction of all evidence that is available! It is the only way that guilt or innocence can be proven! Simple as that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Noooo.

    We are simply talking about the actions he took regarding Ukraine, investigations and aid dispersal.

    Actions similar to other past President's taken in other situations. Hell, Biden bragged about it, and that was under the last Administration.

    The Democrats are trying to make this incident into a crime, simply because they've been trying to find something for three years...and this is the best they could come up with.
    If you want to believe that the president had concern for any corruption other than what might help him, I won't attempt to get past the programming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyone View Post
    Bottom line is that Trump vowed not only to support the Constitution but to put the nation ahead of his own personal goals. If he is corrupt and looking out for himself first and the nation second, he is not keeping the vow he made. As such, his obligation is to seek the truth for the benefit of the entire nation and not just for part of it (the ones that support him even if he kills someone on 5th Ave).

    As such, the Constitution is only one of the things he needs to support.
    LOL, Do I need to post the meter again? There is nothing in this entire situation that demonstrably rises to any form of crime. As President he has the authority to time or even withhold delivery of aid (per the LTCOL would testified in the House), the Ukraine President says he felt no pressure as was unaware of the holdup with the aid. There's certainly enough questionable about Hunter Biden's Ukraine employment - even he admits being the VP's son got him the job. Where's the beef?
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    Re: No Evidence.............

    The idiot leftists in the House are presenting their 'evidence'. The reality is that there IS no evidence because they have no case. They presented 18 witnesses...17 of whom stated unequivocally that they have NO KNOWLEDGE of a crime and in fact no first hand knowledge of ANYTHING. The ONE witness that did have first hand knowledge stated POINT BLANK that the president DIRECTLY told him there was no quid pro quo...no conditions...nothing.

    The rat party voted in the house to impeach based on the mindless rat hatred they have for Trump...and nothing more. Their case was so ineffectual that they even had party members that couldnt support it. The House has now the responsibility to present the case that they impeached on...and they know its nothing but a pathetic sack of impotent hatred and lies. They KNOW they cant win. And so they want to drag MORE witnesses...more testimony...but...THEY ALREADY IMPEACHED...based on the pathetic sack of impotent hatred and lies they were offered. The Senate's job is not to impeach...it is to determine if the case the House presented is valid and if the president should be removed.

    Its not....and the reality is...every single one of you knows it. Thats what is so laughable about all of this. You are ALL guided by your own mindless hatred. You dont care this whole thing was a sham. You KNOW it was a sham. You just wanted to see Trump impeached. This is just the latest in 3 long years of the constant stream of lies and accusations and patheitc attacks and hatred. And everyone knows it. You cant even fool yourselves.

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    Re: No Evidence.............

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    in a new dark place...

    The former great United States Of America is gone forever. I was fortunate to have lived most my life in it while it was great. Sadly, my children will not be as fortunate.

    All great empires fall, we are witnessing it again.
    Total B.S.

    What you're really saying here is that this nation is so weak and so fragile that it can't even withstand a few years of a highly polarizing President.

    I don't buy this and I suspect that you don't really buy it either so can we just chalk it up to you having a bad hair day or something?

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