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    The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or Bush

    The president has blown past individual Democratic presidential campaigns in fundraising for his 2020 reelection bid. But the crowded primary field together more than tripled his 2019 cash haul, according to a CNBC analysis of Federal Election Commission filings and campaign statements.

    No incumbent president this century has been so thoroughly outraised by a field of challengers in the year before a reelection contest. The main Republican challengers to President Barack Obama in 2012 barely took in more than the incumbent in 2011.

    Meanwhile, President George W. Bush narrowly topped his challengers in fundraising in 2003, the year before he won reelection in 2004.

    “The field is trouncing Trump in fundraising and that is unprecedented,” said Sarah Bryner, director of research and strategy at the Center for Responsive Politics.
    2019: Trump had $143.8 million in total receipts, versus $515.6 million for his Democratic challengers. That’s 28% of his rivals’ total. In individual contributions, the president’s $76.3 million made up only 16% of the $471.6 million raised by the Democrats.
    Source: (CNBC) The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin — that didn’t happen to Obama or Bush

    I'm posting this here GPD rather BN, due to it striking me as more of an analytic piece.

    I've had posters here post figures showing Trump raising more than Biden or some other Dem nominee, as part of their arguments. But that always struck me as an incorrect argument, because to claim 'Trump is out-raising a specific candidate' does not reflect that the majority of Dem donors may unite in their support of the eventual nominee. In other words, how much are those supporting Dem candidates giving vs those supporting Trump?

    Well, just now, I happened to stumble across my OP article. And it was an eye-opener. If we take the article at its face value, it seems the Dems are clobbering Trump in fundraising by a factor of 3X in total, and by a factor of nearly 7X in individual contributions. I haven't done any further research or verification, but just thought I'd post the article 'as is' here in GPD.

    A sad aside:

    While money may possibly be a sign of support or energy for a candidate, I personally am disgusted that we even have to think in terms of money rather than democracy. If it were up to me, I'd drastically get money out of our political/electoral process.
    Last edited by Chomsky; 01-19-20 at 05:36 PM. Reason: add individual multiplier
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    Re: The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or

    Be careful about the trap that voters fell for with Hillary. She outspent Trump by a lot and still lost.
    As an aside, I will personally enjoy watching Bloomberg piss away a good chunk of his fortune, trying to destroy Trump.

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    Re: The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Source: (CNBC) The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or Bush

    I'm posting this here GPD rather BN, due to it striking me as more of an analytic piece.

    I've had posters here post figures showing Trump raising more than Biden or some other Dem nominee, as part of their arguments. But that always struck me as an incorrect argument, because to claim 'Trump is out-raising a specific candidate' does not reflect that the majority of Dem donors may unite in their support of the eventual nominee. In other words, how much are those supporting Dem candidates giving vs those supporting Trump?

    Well, just now, I happened to stumble across my OP article. And it was an eye-opener. If we take the article at it's face value, it seems the Dems are clobbering Trump in fundraising -by a factor of 3X. I haven't done any further research or verification, but just thought I'd post the article 'as is' here in GPD.

    A sad aside:

    While money may possibly be a sign of support or energy for a candidate, I personally am disgusted that we even have to think in terms of money rather than democracy. If it were up to me, I'd drastically get money out of our political/electoral process.

    You and I wonít live to see that toothpaste go back in the tube, imo.
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    Re: The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I've had posters here post figures showing Trump raising more than Biden or some other Dem nominee, as part of their arguments. But that always struck me as an incorrect argument, because to claim 'Trump is out-raising a specific candidate' does not reflect that the majority of Dem donors may unite in their support of the eventual nominee.
    Bingo. This is why I never gave any weight to Trump's fund-raising. We'll revisit this topic when a Democratic nominee has been chosen.

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    Re: The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or

    You have Bernie Bros throwing money at Bernie.

    You have Buttigeig supporters throwing money at him, and so on. Once we get to the democrat nominee, we'll see how much money one guy can raise.

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    Re: The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Bingo. This is why I never gave any weight to Trump's fund-raising. We'll revisit this topic when a Democratic nominee has been chosen.
    I just modified my OP. Apparently 3X was the factor for the total disparity in fund raising. In individual contributions it's 7X! Yow! That says it all.
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    Re: The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    You and I won’t live to see that toothpaste go back in the tube, imo.
    Sadly. Really sadly.
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    Re: The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or

    If Trump charged people to attend one of his rallies he'd be out raising them by wide margin. Is Elizabeth able to fill high a school gym lately?

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    Re: The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or

    This issue is akin the the posters that trumpet FOX NEWS eyeballs, while ignoring that the other outlets are spread out across a wider spectrum.
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    Re: The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Source: (CNBC) The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin — that didn’t happen to Obama or Bush

    I'm posting this here GPD rather BN, due to it striking me as more of an analytic piece.

    I've had posters here post figures showing Trump raising more than Biden or some other Dem nominee, as part of their arguments. But that always struck me as an incorrect argument, because to claim 'Trump is out-raising a specific candidate' does not reflect that the majority of Dem donors may unite in their support of the eventual nominee. In other words, how much are those supporting Dem candidates giving vs those supporting Trump?

    Well, just now, I happened to stumble across my OP article. And it was an eye-opener. If we take the article at its face value, it seems the Dems are clobbering Trump in fundraising by a factor of 3X in total, and by a factor of nearly 7X in individual contributions. I haven't done any further research or verification, but just thought I'd post the article 'as is' here in GPD.

    A sad aside:

    While money may possibly be a sign of support or energy for a candidate, I personally am disgusted that we even have to think in terms of money rather than democracy. If it were up to me, I'd drastically get money out of our political/electoral process.
    As stated elsewhere, and IMO "Bernie Bros" won't support Warren, Biden, or Bloomburg. While many non-socialist, non-progressives won't support Bernie.

    Do all those combined funds somehow go to the final candidate, or as I suspect, remain in the war chests of rivals?

    So who cares if the total is greater, when Trump only has to campaign against one?
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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