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    Re: The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    Are they counting self-donations like Bloomberg and Steyer?
    No idea.

    I notice that SIX dems have collected only three times as much as lil ol' Trump.
    ???

    Oh come-on, you know the premise being presented: Dems are giving 3X as much in total, 7X via individual donors.
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    Re: The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Source: (CNBC) The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or Bush

    I'm posting this here GPD rather BN, due to it striking me as more of an analytic piece.

    I've had posters here post figures showing Trump raising more than Biden or some other Dem nominee, as part of their arguments. But that always struck me as an incorrect argument, because to claim 'Trump is out-raising a specific candidate' does not reflect that the majority of Dem donors may unite in their support of the eventual nominee. In other words, how much are those supporting Dem candidates giving vs those supporting Trump?

    Well, just now, I happened to stumble across my OP article. And it was an eye-opener. If we take the article at its face value, it seems the Dems are clobbering Trump in fundraising by a factor of 3X in total, and by a factor of nearly 7X in individual contributions. I haven't done any further research or verification, but just thought I'd post the article 'as is' here in GPD.

    A sad aside:

    While money may possibly be a sign of support or energy for a candidate, I personally am disgusted that we even have to think in terms of money rather than democracy. If it were up to me, I'd drastically get money out of our political/electoral process.
    I didn't read your linked article but I'm assuming it didn't account for Bloomberg's spending. He has said he's prepared to spend $2 billion on his own or another dem nominee.
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    Re: The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    I didn't read your linked article but I'm assuming it didn't account for Bloomberg's spending. He has said he's prepared to spend $2 billion on his own or another dem nominee.
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    Re: The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Good point. She had the people behind her.
    So did Gore. Two of the five Supremes that voted for Citizens Divided came from Bush, who lost the popular vote. The two from Trump support CD. More leftists vote third party than rightists, self-immolating in the Electoral College.

    I would advise a look at the $$$ on hand for the R-alphabet groups and individual R-candidates compared to those of the Dís. Rís spend early and often, defining their opponents. Dís wait too long to spend.
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    Re: The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    No idea.

    ???

    Oh come-on, you know the premise being presented: Dems are giving 3X as much in total, 7X via individual donors.
    Just curious since I saw an article a few weeks ago that had Trump way ahead of top three as well as small donor totals. Bloomberg isn't accepting donations but Steyer is so I wonder if his own money is comingled with individual donors in this report.

    One thing I'm sure off the other candidates are going to have to do some major spending in California real soon. It seems like every commercial break has a Bloomberg and/or Steyer commercial. Broadcast radio is the same thing. California has a ton of delegates and electors. Not that I'm asking for more commercials, mind you.
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    Re: The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    I didn't read your linked article but I'm assuming it didn't account for Bloomberg's spending. He has said he's prepared to spend $2 billion on his own or another dem nominee.
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    I wish I knew if Bloomberg and Steyer were thinking of how their money could be used in a myriad of ways other than basic fund raising for individual campaigns. They could neuter voter suppression efforts by funding massive ground teams to register voters in NC, FL, GA and WI, and could pay the fines for every ex-felon in FL.

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    Re: The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonglow View Post
    She lost because of the Electoral College...But won the popular vote..
    Yeah, that pesky EC!
    And btw, no one "wins" the Presidency or wins anything by popular vote. It's a data point. A metric. A statistic. We are still a Representative Republic.
    Darn those Founding Fathers and their infinite wisdom about the tyranny of the majority!

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    Re: The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    You and I wonít live to see that toothpaste go back in the tube, imo.
    I wish it was true but sadly I've heard that Trump is out raising the Democrats. Donald Trump is Trouncing Democrats in 2020 Fundraising

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    Re: The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonglow View Post
    She lost because of the Electoral College...But won the popular vote..
    Which is equivalent to saying that although the Yankees beat the Blue Jays 4 to 1, the Blue Jays got more hits, therefore the Blue Jays should have won.

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    Re: The 2020 Democratic field is outraising Trump by a huge margin ó that didnít happen to Obama or

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    Thatís obscene, regardless of party!
    I didnít hear any Democrats complaining when Bloomberg did so much to turn Virginia blue. Some Dís donít believe we should fight Rís with both hands tied behind our backs. This especially means countering Brad Parscale and his digital analytics operation.
    Be not afraid of an open convention.

    Sen. Sherrod Brown/Sen. Amy Klobuchar 2020 to win back the FIVE Midwest states that trump flipped.

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