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Parnas is right about one thing, Trump has created a serious political weapon in Barr!

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Parnas said that people in washington have become afraid of Barr because if you say something bad or try to go after Trump. Trumpo will simply sic Barr on you and nobody, probably even the Pope has a totally clean record. So by using Barr and by having Barr willing to do so,Trump has created a serious political weapon in Barr and the DOJ. I guess GOpers and Trumpsters will say that every president has requested investigations, but none were for strictly political reasons and none that did not end up in a political firestorm for the president that initiated the investigation.
 
independentusa said:
Parnas said that people in washington have become afraid of Barr because if you say something bad or try to go after Trump. Trumpo will simply sic Barr on you and nobody, probably even the Pope has a totally clean record. So by using Barr and by having Barr willing to do so,Trump has created a serious political weapon in Barr and the DOJ. I guess GOpers and Trumpsters will say that every president has requested investigations, but none were for strictly political reasons and none that did not end up in a political firestorm for the president that initiated the investigation.
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Who has Trump sicced Barr on?
 
independentusa said:
Parnas said that people in washington have become afraid of Barr because if you say something bad or try to go after Trump. Trumpo will simply sic Barr on you
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Probably the most infamous American lawyer of the 20th century was McCarth's aide Roy Cohn - so of course trump knew him, was guided by him, and as president was looking for 'his Roy Cohn' and found him. Robert Kennedy almost got into a fight with him working for McCarthy and left the committee.
 
independentusa said:
Parnas said that people in washington have become afraid of Barr because if you say something bad or try to go after Trump. Trumpo will simply sic Barr on you and nobody, probably even the Pope has a totally clean record. So by using Barr and by having Barr willing to do so,Trump has created a serious political weapon in Barr and the DOJ. I guess GOpers and Trumpsters will say that every president has requested investigations, but none were for strictly political reasons and none that did not end up in a political firestorm for the president that initiated the investigation.
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... for example?
 
Tanngrisnir said:
You should really endeavor to inform yourself of current events. You'll ask less silly questions that way.

William Barr is Going After Trump’s Enemies One by One
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LOL!!

You present an article that cites an article by Wittes from Lawfare, which is comprised of the very people who have been instrumental in trying to prevent Trump from winning the 2016 election by using the power of the corrupt Obama administration and when that didn't work, they hooked up with the corrupt Dem House to continue the attacks which are going on to this very day.

And you think this is reality?

Wittes, being intimately joined at the hip with Comey, is doing everything he can to keep attention off of him...by making up nonsense about Trump.

The fact is, Barr's investigations are justified because of criminal and corrupt actions of the Obama administration...not because Trump told him to investigate his enemies.
 
independentusa said:
Parnas said that people in washington have become afraid of Barr because if you say something bad or try to go after Trump. Trumpo will simply sic Barr on you and nobody, probably even the Pope has a totally clean record. So by using Barr and by having Barr willing to do so,Trump has created a serious political weapon in Barr and the DOJ. I guess GOpers and Trumpsters will say that every president has requested investigations, but none were for strictly political reasons and none that did not end up in a political firestorm for the president that initiated the investigation.
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What Trump has done with AG Barr and DOJ is beyond the pale. Trump has weaponized the DOJ to serve his political motivations and self-interest. I thought Bush and former AG Alberto Gonzales crossed the line with their interference in DOJ investigations, but this is a whole other level. This is what third-rate dictators around the world do every day. This is a scary time for this country.

If Trump survives impeachment or the 2020 election, God help this country.
 
Mycroft said:
LOL!!

You present an article that cites an article by Wittes from Lawfare, which is comprised of the very people who have been instrumental in trying to prevent Trump from winning the 2016 election by using the power of the corrupt Obama administration and when that didn't work, they hooked up with the corrupt Dem House to continue the attacks which are going on to this very day.
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LOL! And you cannot dispute a single factual thing he stated. All you can do is bloviate about non-existant corruption that you cannot demonstrate. ^^^ True twumpian magical thinking in actions!
And you think this is reality?
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Yes. It's nothing you seem to recognize.
Wittes, being intimately joined at the hip with Comey, is doing everything he can to keep attention off of him...by making up nonsense about Trump.

The fact is, Barr's investigations are justified because of criminal and corrupt actions of the Obama administration...not because Trump told him to investigate his enemies.
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The truth is you cannot cite any such corruption and the IG found nothing.

You lose. Again.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
LOL! And you cannot dispute a single factual thing he stated. All you can do is bloviate about non-existant corruption that you cannot demonstrate. ^^^ True twumpian magical thinking in actions!

Yes. It's nothing you seem to recognize.

The truth is you cannot cite any such corruption and the IG found nothing.

You lose. Again.
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I can't dispute a single factual thing he stated because none of it is factual. It's all spin and nonsense.

Actually, the IG found lots of corruption and Durham is finding even more.
 
Mycroft said:
I can't dispute a single factual thing he stated because none of it is factual. It's all spin and nonsense.
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A laughable bare assertion that you cannot support. Not like you ever have.
Actually, the IG found lots of corruption and Durham is finding even more.
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No, he didn't. To assert that he did is to admit to lying. Nothing was found that would in any material was affected the investigation in a legal manner or call its origin into question. It's right there in the report. The report you haven't and never will read.

And you have no idea what Durham has found. To assert that you do is to admit to lying.

This grows boring.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
A laughable bare assertion that you cannot support. Not like you ever have.

No, he didn't. To assert that he did is to admit to lying. Nothing was found that would in any material was affected the investigation in a legal manner or call its origin into question. It's right there in the report. The report you haven't and never will read.

And you have no idea what Durham has found. To assert that you do is to admit to lying.

This grows boring.
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You are aware that McCabe is under criminal indictment and Comey is under criminal investigation, right? Those are both the results of IG investigations. There's also that guy who doctored an email related to the Page FISA application. He'll be singing and someone else will face charges.

But hey...deny all you want. Pretend not to know things. It won't matter. Neither your opinion nor Wittes' spin will prevent all that action from happening. Oh...btw...Trump didn't cause any of those investigations to happen.

Like I said...it's all spin.
 
Mycroft said:
You are aware that McCabe is under criminal indictment and Comey is under criminal investigation, right? Those are both the results of IG investigations. There's also that guy who doctored an email related to the Page FISA application. He'll be singing and someone else will face charges.
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Which is irrelevant to the Mueller Investigation and its origins. And you DESPERATELY need to keep current on events.

Judge tells DOJ to charge McCabe or drop investigation | TheHill

Still waiting for all that corruption you braying about.
But hey...deny all you want. Pretend not to know things. It won't matter. Neither your opinion nor Wittes' spin will prevent all that action from happening. Oh...btw...Trump didn't cause any of those investigations to happen.

Like I said...it's all spin.
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Like I said, you cannot demonstrate that it's spin, you have no idea as to what these investigations are about or what their status is and you don't care to.

You lose. Again.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Which is irrelevant to the Mueller Investigation and its origins. And you DESPERATELY need to keep current on events.

Judge tells DOJ to charge McCabe or drop investigation | TheHill

Still waiting for all that corruption you braying about.

Like I said, you cannot demonstrate that it's spin, you have no idea as to what these investigations are about or what their status is and you don't care to.

You lose. Again.
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The corrupt and illegal actions of the Obama administration and various people in the Trump administration...which is what is being investigated actually is relevant to the Mueller investigation. Of course, the Mueller investigation is over and done with, so nobody wants to talk about that anymore. Too bad. That travesty of justice will definitely figure into the the results of ongoing investigations.

That judge doesn't have the power to stop an investigation. He can pound sand. Regarding his threat of releasing some documents...I say good...but release them to the public, not just to those asking for them. We don't want these document hidden from the public or cherry-picked, do we?
 
Mycroft said:
Who has Trump sicced Barr on?
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Both Hillary for the 9th or tenth time and of course the people who siad Russia has interfered with our elections and probablt many we do not know about but the congress people do.
 
Mycroft said:
You are aware that McCabe is under criminal indictment and Comey is under criminal investigation, right? Those are both the results of IG investigations. There's also that guy who doctored an email related to the Page FISA application. He'll be singing and someone else will face charges.

But hey...deny all you want. Pretend not to know things. It won't matter. Neither your opinion nor Wittes' spin will prevent all that action from happening. Oh...btw...Trump didn't cause any of those investigations to happen.

Like I said...it's all spin.
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Those are two I forgot to mention, and like Hillary, it will all probably prove to be as you trumpsters say, nothingburgers.
 
Mycroft said:
LOL!!

You present an article that cites an article by Wittes from Lawfare, which is comprised of the very people who have been instrumental in trying to prevent Trump from winning the 2016 election by using the power of the corrupt Obama administration and when that didn't work, they hooked up with the corrupt Dem House to continue the attacks which are going on to this very day.

And you think this is reality?

Wittes, being intimately joined at the hip with Comey, is doing everything he can to keep attention off of him...by making up nonsense about Trump.

The fact is, Barr's investigations are justified because of criminal and corrupt actions of the Obama administration...not because Trump told him to investigate his enemies.
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So YOU say. There is no evidence of "criminal or corrupt actions" by the Obama Administration. Only Trump's false allegations which are projections of his own crimes. The falsehood of FBI bias hurting Trump is but one of these projections. In reality is was FBI Trumpists in the NY office that threatened to leak the reopening of the email investigation which extorted Comey into making the "announcement" 2 weeks before the vote to help Trump win. They leaked to Guilliani too.

Horowitz’s office declined to comment. But there are signs that the inspector general is continuing to pursue, separately, the answer to an equally explosive question: Exactly who at the FBI was talking to reporters about the Hillary Clinton email investigation—and possibly to Trump colleagues like Rudy Giuliani?

That was one cliff-hanger that Horowitz left unresolved with his previous 539-page report, on the FBI’s actions leading up to the 2016 president election, which focused on the bureau’s controversial investigation of Clinton’s use of a private email server. That report detailed how FBI director James Comey’s fateful decision to publicly announce the discovery of additional, possibly relevant emails in the closing weeks of the campaign was driven significantly by his fear of leaks from his own agents. The final two unclassified pages of Horowitz’s June 2018 tome are graphic renderings of the problem: starburst diagrams with “reporter” at the center, and multiple lines radiating outward to trace hundreds of unauthorized contacts between journalists and FBI officials.
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“Giuliani Was Saying He Had Information”: Was the FBI Leaking to Rudy Giuliani? | Vanity Fair
 
independentusa said:
Those are two I forgot to mention, and like Hillary, it will all probably prove to be as you trumpsters say, nothingburgers.
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They are not "nothingburgers", though it's entirely possible that they won't be held accountable for their criminal actions...like Hillary.
 
independentusa said:
Parnas said that people in washington have become afraid of Barr because if you say something bad or try to go after Trump. Trumpo will simply sic Barr on you and nobody, probably even the Pope has a totally clean record. So by using Barr and by having Barr willing to do so,Trump has created a serious political weapon in Barr and the DOJ. I guess GOpers and Trumpsters will say that every president has requested investigations, but none were for strictly political reasons and none that did not end up in a political firestorm for the president that initiated the investigation.
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They should be very afraid

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iguanaman said:
So YOU say. There is no evidence of "criminal or corrupt actions" by the Obama Administration. Only Trump's false allegations which are projections of his own crimes. The falsehood of FBI bias hurting Trump is but one of these projections. In reality is was FBI Trumpists in the NY office that threatened to leak the reopening of the email investigation which extorted Comey into making the "announcement" 2 weeks before the vote to help Trump win. They leaked to Guilliani too.



“Giuliani Was Saying He Had Information”: Was the FBI Leaking to Rudy Giuliani? | Vanity Fair
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The only way you can say "There is no evidence of "criminal or corrupt actions" by the Obama Administration" is if you pretend not to know things. Heck, a FISA court judge found that the Obama administration was illegally accessing NSA database records of American citizens...for more than four years. Do you pretend not to know that? Or do you think the judge is wrong and that the action is not criminal and corrupt? (and that's just ONE thing found that is factual and based on factual evidence...there is MUCH more)

The thing to keep in mind about any Horowitz investigation is this: The "conclusion" doesn't always adhere to the factual findings from the investigation. And it's the findings that are important. Those findings are what is going to determine whether someone is indicted or not...not the conclusion Horowitz expresses.
 
Mycroft said:
You are aware that McCabe is under criminal indictment and Comey is under criminal investigation, right? Those are both the results of IG investigations. There's also that guy who doctored an email related to the Page FISA application. He'll be singing and someone else will face charges.

But hey...deny all you want. Pretend not to know things. It won't matter. Neither your opinion nor Wittes' spin will prevent all that action from happening. Oh...btw...Trump didn't cause any of those investigations to happen.

Like I said...it's all spin.
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McCabe was never indicted and the JD has no plans to indict him. Horowitz is now concentrating on the leaking from the FBI NY office that prompted Comey's fateful announcement of the reopening of the Email investigation. As is usual the "bias" in the FBI was only really used to help Trump win and the rest is just a smokescreen.

Justice Department Filing Suggests No McCabe Prosecution Imminent - WSJ
 
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iguanaman said:
McCabe was never indicted and the JD has no plans to indict him. Horowitz is now concentrating on the leaking from the FBI NY office that prompted Comey's fateful announcement of the reopening of the Email investigation. As is usual the "bias" in the FBI was only really used to help Trump win and the rest is just a smokescreen.

Justice Department Filing Suggests No McCabe Prosecution Imminent - WSJ
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Horowitz is irrelevant when it comes to deciding whether to indict anyone. He certainly doesn't have the power to do so.

The guy with the grand jury does have that power.
 
independentusa said:
Both Hillary for the 9th or tenth time and of course the people who siad Russia has interfered with our elections and probablt many we do not know about but the congress people do.
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I an not aware that Clinton is being investigated.
The DOJ is investigation why people in the Obama Admin thought Trump was conspiring with Russia.

Mr. Wittes states he doesn't know if the errors were the result off random sloppiness or something. One would think random sloppiness would have random results as opposed to them all being against Trump.
 
Mycroft said:
The only way you can say "There is no evidence of "criminal or corrupt actions" by the Obama Administration" is if you pretend not to know things. Heck, a FISA court judge found that the Obama administration was illegally accessing NSA database records of American citizens...for more than four years. Do you pretend not to know that? Or do you think the judge is wrong and that the action is not criminal and corrupt? (and that's just ONE thing found that is factual and based on factual evidence...there is MUCH more)

The thing to keep in mind about any Horowitz investigation is this: The "conclusion" doesn't always adhere to the factual findings from the investigation. And it's the findings that are important. Those findings are what is going to determine whether someone is indicted or not...not the conclusion Horowitz expresses.
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Whether you like it or not Obama got permission from a FISA judge for his actions. Not to mention that his predecessor GW Bush was also guilty of surveiling Americans and did not get court permission. But he was a Republican so you ignore it.

On December 16, 2005, The New York Times reported that the Bush administration had been conducting surveillance against U.S. citizens without specific approval from the FISA court for each case since 2002.[9] On December 20, 2005, Judge James Robertson resigned his position with the court, apparently in protest of the secret surveillance,[10] and later, in the wake of the Snowden leaks of 2013, criticized the court-sanctioned expansion of the scope of government surveillance and its being allowed to craft a secret body of law.[11] The government's apparent circumvention of the court started prior to the increase in court-ordered modifications to warrant requests.
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United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court - Wikipedia
 
Mycroft said:
Horowitz is irrelevant when it comes to deciding whether to indict anyone. He certainly doesn't have the power to do so.

The guy with the grand jury does have that power.
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I did not hear an apology from you for your lie about McCabe being indicted.....
 
Athanasius68 said:
I an not aware that Clinton is being investigated.
The DOJ is investigation why people in the Obama Admin thought Trump was conspiring with Russia.

Mr. Wittes states he doesn't know if the errors were the result off random sloppiness or something. One would think random sloppiness would have random results as opposed to them all being against Trump.
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Was Comey's letter to Congress that Hillary's email investigation was being reopened "against Trump"? How specifically did the errors on the FISA application hurt Trump's campaign?
 
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