Government prosecutors testify of corruption in Ukraine involving Americans

cabse5 · Jan 20, 2020

US&THEM said:
CT’s?

Conspiracy theories.

The conspiracy theory that Russians, allegedly, colluded with the Trump campaign to interfere in the 2020 election. The conspiracy theory that Trump asked Zelensky to investigate the Bidens to, allegedly, aid Trump in his re-election bid for 2020.

The conspiracy theory that the Ukraine, allegedly, interfered in the 2016 election. The conspiracy theory that Joe Biden prevented V. Shokin from investigating Burisma Holdings, allegedly, because his son was a member of the board. The conspiracy theory that the US, allegedly, prevented Burisma Holdings from being investigated.

snakestretcher · Jan 20, 2020

marke said:
I have other links. What about the fact that the US government wasted 3 years and tens of millions of dollars chasing down a conspiracy theory which turned out to be nothing more than a democrat hoax? Do you think our government should not at least look into these claims by Ukrainian officials?

Where are the links to these 'documents'?

The AntiDonald · Jan 20, 2020

Simon W. Moon said:
Why won't Trump accept their evidence?

Wtf is wrong w/ trump_DoJ sitting on their ****ing hands?

They have had years to get on top of this ****.
But they refuse to do anything about it.

The Senate too!
Trump and the GOP Senate are either incompetent or a part of the conspiracy

Or maybe there is no conspiracy and everyone knows it. Debunked.

cabse5 · Jan 20, 2020

RaleBulgarian said:
:lamo Ten documented instances of attempted obstruction of justice prove the exact opposite.

Not documented. Possible instances of obstruction of justice. Mueller needed facts to corroborate it. Why would Mueller list possible instances of obstruction when he knew, full well, that proof was needed?

Simon W. Moon · Jan 20, 2020

marke said:
My hope is that Barr and Durham are looking into this and will prosecute the guilty parties when done. I realize there are many reasons to suspect criminals in high places may never be brought to justice in our present corrupt world, but I still pray justice will prevail.

What if it were all the Russian propaganda bull**** being sold by unscrupulous politicians?
How would it look any different?

cabse5 · Jan 20, 2020

RaleBulgarian said:
That is dependent upon the form of said “influence”.

Monetary, or any other contributions “of value” by any foreign national are illegal.

Like what the Ukraine did when it attempted to influence the 2016 election.
Like what Steele did?

cabse5 · Jan 20, 2020

RaleBulgarian said:
That is dependent upon the form of said “influence”.

Monetary, or any other contributions “of value” by any foreign national are illegal.

Is trying to influence an election with an unwarranted impeachment an illegal influence of an election?

cabse5 · Jan 20, 2020

bongsaway said:
As soon as trump proves the allegations against him are false, I'm all in with you. Let the dems prove this guy is lying.

Which banana republic-type of country are you from? In the US if people aren't proven guilty, they are innocent.

bongsaway · Jan 20, 2020

cabse5 said:
Which banana republic-type of country are you from? In the US if people aren't proven guilty, they are innocent.

Uh huh. That's not the way the real world works.

cabse5 · Jan 20, 2020

bongsaway said:
Uh huh. That's not the way the real world works.

Then thank god for the US and you have it bad in which ever banana republic you live.

bongsaway · Jan 20, 2020

cabse5 said:
Then thank god for the US and you have it bad in which ever banana republic you live.

The banana republic of flori-duh, controlled by republicans.

cabse5 · Jan 20, 2020

bongsaway said:
The banana republic of flori-duh, controlled by republicans.

You aren't familiar with American laws and customs are you?

bongsaway · Jan 20, 2020

cabse5 said:
You aren't familiar with American laws and customs are you?

No, I live in a banana republic.

cabse5 · Jan 20, 2020

bongsaway said:
No, I live in a banana republic.

You wish you did, evidently.

RaleBulgarian · Jan 20, 2020

cabse5 said:
Not documented. Possible instances of obstruction of justice. Mueller needed facts to corroborate it. Why would Mueller list possible instances of obstruction when he knew, full well, that proof was needed?

Yes, documented, as in documented as part of Mueller’s report.

The facts of the obstruction are included in the Mueller report.

cabse5 said:
Like what the Ukraine did when it attempted to influence the 2016 election.
Like what Steele did?

Where’s your evidence/proof that the Ukrainian government attempted to influence the 2016 presidential election?

The Steele dossier was legally funded.

cabse5 said:
Is trying to influence an election with an unwarranted impeachment an illegal influence of an election?

I don’t know. I guess there’d have to be actual evidence of such a conspiracy before any serious discussion of that possibility could begin.

marke · Jan 20, 2020

BlueTex said:
Again, does the FBI not have anyone with a passport? All the DOJ/FBI had to do was fly to Ukraine and interview as many people as they wanted. Yovanovitch would not have any idea they were there. Since May of last year when Yovanovitch was fired, has the FBI interviewed Lutsenko?

Yovanovitch was working to keep Ukrrainian prosecutors from meeting with the FBI because she was part of the government swamp seeking to cover up the crimes of Americans in Ukraine while working to undermine the President of the United States. By Joe Biden's own testimony there were more than a billion dollars in loose American aid money to be milked for kickback profits in Ukraine for those crooked Americans in charge of handling the cash.

Hunter Biden joined Burisma in 2014 just as Joe Biden and John Kerry began lobbying Congress to send hundreds of millions of dollars there to 'help boost the oil and gas industry there.' Only the most naive could believe Hunter Biden did not have a purpose there with a billion dollars in American aid coming that way.

BlueTex · Jan 20, 2020

marke said:
Yovanovitch was working to keep Ukrrainian prosecutors from meeting with the FBI because she was part of the government swamp seeking to cover up the crimes of Americans in Ukraine while working to undermine the President of the United States. By Joe Biden's own testimony there were more than a billion dollars in loose American aid money to be milked for kickback profits in Ukraine for those crooked Americans in charge of handling the cash.

How in the hell could Yovanovitch prevent the FBI from interviewing the prosecutors? She has been gone nine months, have they interviewed them yet? Is there any court action on these "crooked American's"? A subpoena? An indictment?

marke · Jan 20, 2020

BlueTex said:
Why this fixation on interviewing Lutsenko at the embassy?

The fixation is on her testimony which reveals she was working against Ukrainian prosecutors investigating American corruption in Ukraine, just as Joe Biden did in early 2016. The crooked swamp mob of corrupt politicians were handling more than a billion dollars in American aid money from which they were receiving kickbacks and other benefits and those corrupt American insiders did not want Ukrainian prosecutors gumming up their gravy train operation.

BlueTex · Jan 20, 2020

marke said:
The fixation is on her testimony which reveals she was working against Ukrainian prosecutors investigating American corruption in Ukraine, just as Joe Biden did in early 2016. The crooked swamp mob of corrupt politicians were handling more than a billion dollars in American aid money from which they were receiving kickbacks and other benefits and those corrupt American insiders did not want Ukrainian prosecutors gumming up their gravy train operation.

It's been NINE months since she was fired.... Where are the subpoenas? Where are the indictments?

marke · Jan 20, 2020

Simon W. Moon said:
What if it were all the Russian propaganda bull**** being sold by unscrupulous politicians?
How would it look any different?

Democrats invent conspiracy theories about Trump to hide their own crimes, and support the wasteful rabbit trail investigations into those fake CTs. But when investigators are hot on the trail of democrat corruption they scream "Conspiracy Theory! Trump is wasting money by investigating rumors of democrat corruption which are just conspiracy theories!"

The scumbags even went so far as to impeach Trump because he was trying to clear up rumors of American corruption in Ukraine. If democrats were honest they would do like Trump and support investigations into rumors of corruption, knowing investigators would find no corruption if there was no corruption there. But democrats do not want investigators looking into rumors of corruption in Ukraine, where more than a billion dollars in American aid money has gone missing.

marke · Jan 20, 2020

bongsaway said:
The banana republic of flori-duh, controlled by republicans.

Except in Broward County where Brenda Snipes proved democrats keep manipulating election results starting on election night, refusing to submit the results until they get the numbers they want.

marke · Jan 20, 2020

BlueTex said:
How in the hell could Yovanovitch prevent the FBI from interviewing the prosecutors? She has been gone nine months, have they interviewed them yet? Is there any court action on these "crooked American's"? A subpoena? An indictment?

Yovanovitch testified under oath that she prevented the Ukrainian Prosecutor General from talking with the FBI at the embassy because she feared he had negative things to say about her.

BlueTex · Jan 20, 2020

marke said:
Yovanovitch testified under oath that she prevented the Ukrainian Prosecutor General from talking with the FBI at the embassy because she feared he had negative things to say about her.

And? The DOJ and FBI just gave up and walked away? Has the DOJ or FBI talked to the Ukrainian Prosecutor General in the nine months since she was fired?

marke · Jan 20, 2020

BlueTex said:
And? The DOJ and FBI just gave up and walked away? Has the DOJ or FBI talked to the Ukrainian Prosecutor General in the nine months since she was fired?

I don't know what the FBI or Barr or Durham may be doing about rumors of corruption in Ukraine. Biden said he was concerned that not enough was being done to put a stop to corruption in Ukraine so he had the prosecutor fired, effectively shutting down the investigation into corrupt business practices in Burisma dealings. One month later Obama appointed Yovanovitch to Ukraine and she also told Ukrainian officials what Obama wanted them to know about what American interests in Ukraine the Obama administration did not want investigated.

BlueTex · Jan 20, 2020

marke said:
I don't know what the FBI or Barr or Durham may be doing about rumors of corruption in Ukraine. Biden said he was concerned that not enough was being done to put a stop to corruption in Ukraine so he had the prosecutor fired, effectively shutting down the investigation into corrupt business practices in Burisma dealings. One month later Obama appointed Yovanovitch to Ukraine and she also told Ukrainian officials what Obama wanted them to know about what American interests in Ukraine the Obama administration did not want investigated.

This is all excuse making... Where are the subpoenas? Where are the indictments?