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Parnas pressure grows on Senate GOP

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Parnas pressure grows on Senate GOP | TheHill

Pressure is growing on Senate Republicans to call Lev Parnas, an associate of President Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, to testify in the impeachment trial.

Democrats are opening the door to hearing from Parnas as a witness at the impeachment trial after an explosive round of media interviews and new evidence released by House Democrats, which details Parnas’s role in trying to convince the Ukrainian government to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden.
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Having seen a good deal of his interview by Rachel Maddow the other nights, he paints a picture of a vast Trump-led conspiracy between Trump. Barr, Giuliani, himself & others in the Administration. Leave him & others with inside knowledge of this mess out as witnesses makes a sham out of the Constitution.
 
Parnas pressure grows on Senate GOP | TheHill

Pressure is growing on Senate Republicans to call Lev Parnas, an associate of President Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, to testify in the impeachment trial.

Democrats are opening the door to hearing from Parnas as a witness at the impeachment trial after an explosive round of media interviews and new evidence released by House Democrats, which details Parnas’s role in trying to convince the Ukrainian government to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden.
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Having seen a good deal of his interview by Rachel Maddow the other nights, he paints a picture of a vast Trump-led conspiracy between Trump. Barr, Giuliani, himself & others in the Administration. Leave him & others with inside knowledge of this mess out as witnesses makes a sham out of the Constitution.

The democrats knew about Parnas months ago.
You have to wonder why the democrats did not call him during their top notch investigation.
Can we say huge credibility problems.
 
The democrats knew about Parnas months ago.
You have to wonder why the democrats did not call him during their top notch investigation.
Can we say huge credibility problems.

What do you mean, “the Democrats knew about Parnas months ago”? What did they know about him?
 
Whomever hosts Maddow should pay to air that interview - or the best bits - as advertisement on Fox News, between segments, particularly Hannity, Fox & Friends, and ****er Carlson
 
The democrats knew about Parnas months ago.
You have to wonder why the democrats did not call him during their top notch investigation.
Can we say huge credibility problems.

How about Giuliani? He can't use lawyer-client privilege to keep him from being forced to testify about the things he did as Trump's bag man in Ukraine. Nothing legal involved in being part of a conspiracy.
 
The democrats knew about Parnas months ago.
You have to wonder why the democrats did not call him during their top notch investigation.
Can we say huge credibility problems.

Wasn't Parnas allegedly told not to testify to congress by Dowd and the Whitehouse? In fact asked to sacrifice himself for the president before he was thrown under the bus? Aren't there texts to show this?
 
just get the sham trial over with and let's vote out the dullard.
 
just get the sham trial over with and let's vote out the dullard.

Problem is this whole mess seems to be making him more popular amongst his under-educated followers. Dems have to take the gloves off.
 
I still say a sham trial where Trump is acquitted could be a gift to the dems in the fall. A minority of voters voted for him in 2016 along with the help of the electoral college. Many who voted for him knew him as an unknown quality votes essentially anything but Clinton. That is not the case this time. There is abundant dirty laundry on him now and Clinton is not running.
 
I still say a sham trial where Trump is acquitted could be a gift to the dems in the fall. A minority of voters voted for him in 2016 along with the help of the electoral college. Many who voted for him knew him as an unknown quality votes essentially anything but Clinton. That is not the case this time. There is abundant dirty laundry on him now and Clinton is not running.

I can hear him now claiming he was 'exonerated', not acquitted. Big difference but most non-lawyers can't tell the difference. As Mr Person. I believe he was in a bar once.
 
The democrats knew about Parnas months ago.
You have to wonder why the democrats did not call him during their top notch investigation.
Can we say huge credibility problems.
Apparently, Trump, Nunes, Pence, and Barr all knew about Parnas long before that.
Huge credibility problems.
 
I can hear him now claiming he was 'exonerated', not acquitted. Big difference but most non-lawyers can't tell the difference. As Mr Person. I believe he was in a bar once.

*appears in a flash*

"Exonerated" is a bit ambiguous. It can happen in a number of ways. How it happens should guide how we judge it.



It almost always starts when some guy's third lawyer or whatever takes the client's claim of innocence seriously, digs long and hard, and ultimately comes up with evidence either proving that the guy didn't do it or that someone else very likely did. It can be DNA, it can be witnesses recanting, it can be leads not followed. It's usually a blend.

From there, the prosecutors decide whether to fight the attempt to clear the guy's name - usually via motion for new trial with all the new evidence and analysis of its effect on the way the case played out in court - and usually do fight it. But there are some good eggs out there that see it for what it is, and conceded. What it really means ultimately depends on the details. If a new DNA analysis excludes the defendant, it means that they did not contribute whatever the DNA is. That may not even be the end of it. There are cases where prosecutors argue that sure, that DNA came from someone else, but the guy still might have done it (and we're not going to try to explain where that DNA came from because we can't, but we'll throw up some BS rationalization). Sometimes it's a straight confession from someone else, the real perp. That carries various degrees of weight, depending on the circumstances.

But here's the bottom line: if the result is dismissal of charges with prejudice (and unless I'm losing my mind it usually is), it means you are permanently off the hook. You are in effect declared innocent. I've just wasted words explaining the mechanism, and what you might think about when judging just how much you personally want to trust the reason for the exoneration.

(Don't trust wiki on this. It opens with "Exoneration occurs when the conviction for a crime is reversed, either through demonstration of innocence, a flaw in the conviction, or otherwise." False through generality. If a conviction is reversed because of "a flaw in the conviction" you get a new trial, unless the flaw was a double-jeopardy violation or egregious prosecutorial misconduct so bad that the courts dismiss it with prejudice (ie, forever).





As you note, acquitted is a bit different: jury refused to convict. The finding means proof beyond a reasonable doubt was not presented in their view. Now, a lot of fuss is made (by prosecutors, unsurprisingly) about how hard it is to provide that proof. It's not. Just about everything in the system is stacked against defendants. Hence a 98% or so guilty plea rate. Plus a lot are guilty anyway. Cases go to trial because (1) they're close, or (2) the defendant insists on his constitutional right, even if the idiot left his ID at the scene and made a videotape of him doing the crime.

I rather wish it carried more wait in a public, non-legal sense. But you can certainly be acquitted despite there being an awful lot of evidence against you. Maybe there just wasn't enough for that particular jury on one particular element of the offense. I still want to see that treated as innocence no matter what you think of the case (cough cough Simpson cough cough). You were put through the legal system. You were acquitted. You should not be treated as guilty, for better or worse, even if you were obviously guilty to the public.

Rights matter.





Either way, nothing like "exoneration" has happened in this fiasco other than Mueller finding on criminal conspiracy. He most certainly was not exonerated of obstruction, though I'd bet the statute of limitations on federal obstruction of justice make it quite difficult to get an indictment in time were he to not win. I'd have to double-check. The main SOL is 5 years federally, but it's not universal.

And the Ukraine stuff is up in the air, though he will no doubt be acquitted in the senate (with no proof beyond a reasonable doubt standard, but merely a vote-count standard).
 
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How about Giuliani? He can't use lawyer-client privilege to keep him from being forced to testify about the things he did as Trump's bag man in Ukraine. Nothing legal involved in being part of a conspiracy.


That and trump does not pay him...
 
Problem is this whole mess seems to be making him more popular amongst his under-educated followers. Dems have to take the gloves off.

they should have come up with a better platform. i would advise them to become the party of the worker and actually mean it in opposition to Tweety's fake populism.
 
Whomever hosts Maddow should pay to air that interview - or the best bits - as advertisement on Fox News, between segments, particularly Hannity, Fox & Friends, and ****er Carlson

John Oliver does that. He has a cowboy that talks directly to Trump.


 
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Whomever hosts Maddow should pay to air that interview - or the best bits - as advertisement on Fox News, between segments, particularly Hannity, Fox & Friends, and ****er Carlson

mike bloomberg, are you listening?
 
John Oliver does that. He has a cowboy that talks directly to Trump.




I loved that run of commercials.

Before he did HBO, he'd swing through Boston once a year on his tours. Best stand-up I've seen; some intelligence and knowledge of history required.






****ing hilarious.
 
mike bloomberg, are you listening?

We should send him letters about it. I might just... though I have to think he or someone around him thought of it.
 
Parnas pressure grows on Senate GOP | TheHill
Pressure is growing on Senate Republicans to call Lev Parnas, an associate of President Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, to testify in the impeachment trial.
Democrats are opening the door to hearing from Parnas as a witness at the impeachment trial after an explosive round of media interviews and new evidence released by House Democrats, which details Parnas’s role in trying to convince the Ukrainian government to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden.
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Having seen a good deal of his interview by Rachel Maddow the other nights, he paints a picture of a vast Trump-led conspiracy between Trump. Barr, Giuliani, himself & others in the Administration. Leave him & others with inside knowledge of this mess out as witnesses makes a sham out of the Constitution.


There is no pressure ... because the GOP isn't gonna call Parnas to testify.

If someone like Rush Limbaugh can predict more than 2 months ago that Schiff is gonna roll out Parnas as a bombshell, you can be assured that lively minds in the GOP have already checked out and dismissed that fraudulent "witness". Nothing but another desperate attempt by pencil-neck Schiff to muddy the waters.

No need to read Rush' whole transcript ... unless you want to be informed about Parnas ... (grin) ... but here is part of his Nov 11 2019 transcript:


... who’s next? If I’m right, if this is the Kavanaugh game plan unwinding right before our eyes, who’s next? Well, I want to throw a name at you. And let’s see if I’m right. Let’s just see. The name is Lev Parnas. Lev Parnas could well be the next surprise twist, the surprise witness for the Democrats. Does the name ring a bell? It will when I tell you who he is.

Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman are the two associates of Rudy Giuliani from Ukraine who were indicted by the Southern District of New York. That story is about a month old now. These two Ukrainian guys — associates of Rudy — claimed that things were being stacked in their favor. If they did this, they were gonna get that. Rudy was said to be right in the middle of their criminal activity, their suspicious activity.

They were originally both represented legally by John Dowd, who was Trump’s original defense lawyer. Lev Parnas has fired John Dowd and hired a lawyer by the name of Joseph Bondy. Joseph Bondy is “a New York City criminal defense and cannabis business attorney,” meaning he’s an attorney in the marijuana business. Sounds like a real beaut of a guy. Joseph Bondy is the new lawyer for Lev Parnas.

Now, the fact that Lev Parnas fired John Dowd and hired Bondy suggests that it was at least possible Parnas and Fruman were parting ways in their defense. They were gonna go it together, but now Fruman is still represented by Dowd; Parnas has fired Dowd and is going his own way. Now, it’s not a surprise the New York Times is reporting that Lev Parnas is saying that Rudy “directed him in May of ’19, 2019, to call the president of Ukraine,” Zelensky, “and to tell him that Zelensky’s aid would not be forthcoming if he didn’t agree to investigate the Bidens.”

The New York Times, again, is reporting that Parnas says that Rudy directed him in May of 2019 to tell the Ukrainian president that his aid would not be forthcoming if Ukraine did not agree to investigate the Bidens. Aid to Ukraine would be withheld and Vice President Pence would not show up at Zelensky’s swearing in. This is what Lev Parnas is now saying. So I think this is gonna be Schiff’s next guy. This is the next bombshell, meaning: “The whistleblower is no longer necessary. ..."


Keep a Sharp Eye Out for Schiff’s Next Trick: Lev Parnas - The Rush Limbaugh Show
 
mike bloomberg, are you listening?

That guy’s money could fix basically every voter suppression shenanigan in a month. He could pay off every ex-felon’s fines in Florida, and fund massive ground teams to make sure everybody in North Carolina, Georgia, Florida and Wisconsin is registered.

Steyer too, actually.
 
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