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    Re: Dershowitz claims 'abuse of power' is not a 'high crime or misdemeanor' under US Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Piglet View Post
    You do realize -- I hope -- that nowhere is extortion mentioned in the articles of impeachment.

    There's a reason for that -- but I'm sure it went right over your head.
    Irrelevant to the fact that the elements of a crime specifically mentioned in the USC are in the articles of impeachment.

    You realize, I hope, that you have no idea what you're talking about and haven't even begun to make a rational or honest argument.
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    Re: Dershowitz claims 'abuse of power' is not a 'high crime or misdemeanor' under US Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    Impeachment is about misconduct. There is no executive privilege when it is being done to cover it up just as their is no attorney client privilege if it is deemed that the attorney is complicit in the crimes of his client.
    No, impeachment is about "high crimes and misdemeanors." There is no mention of "misconduct" or "abuse of power." Both of those are just partisan opinion, nothing else.

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    Re: Dershowitz claims 'abuse of power' is not a 'high crime or misdemeanor' under US Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I know we diverge on the more conspiracy theory side, however, I do not deny that.

    What I would say, is that if the populace gave a ****, it’s actually never been harder to be a corrupt politician if people gave a ****, because at this point it’s so obvious and there’s so many simple ways to expose it with the way things are today, the issue is apathy.

    And all Trumps done is shown clearly, by being so open, obvious and public about it that, that apathy extends to gross negligence on the part of voters, the amount of “do not give a ****” is troubling to say the least.
    tRump has, at best, ever only garnered 40% support of the country. He lost the 2016 popular vote by over 3 million votes. Most AmeriCANs oppose him by numbers in the high 50's to low 60's depending on the day.

    That his most ardent supporters AbsaByGodLutely know he's crooked and couldn't give a small turd less ISN'T, at least should NOT be an indictment of AmeriCANs on the whole.

    That said it took so few in key areas to get the Criminal Con-Man elected that any patriotic American has to be very concerned that he could do it again. Considering what he's done to our reputation and confidence in our Nation at home AND abroad, that, in trying to be a tough guy, he almost got us into another war in a region we should be disengaging from and daily has our Nation in such turmoil we have no National cohesion or direction. At the risk of sounding like Mitt Romney; there are 33 to 40 percent of Americans that will NEVER change their minds; they are not the problem.

    So on one hand I have full faith in my fellow Americans to, given the chance, make the right choice. But, on the other, they have demonstrated, not that they don't give a ****, but in todays divisive political climate they can become confused and stay home at the WRONG time. These are times that try men's souls, and it is high time for all Patriots to reach out and get anyone sitting on the fence registered and voting. IF patriotic AmeriCANs do that, right or left, Donald John tRump moves to Mira Largess for good, the GOOD of America, no later than this time next year.

    IF ALL ELIGIBLE AmeriCANs vote; tRump loses!

    Moscow Mitch, Lippy Graham and many other GOP Senators are too corrupted by their Oligarch masters to hope this impeachment will succeed. Honest patriotic AmeriCANs need to oust him, the old fashioned way, next November.
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    Re: Dershowitz claims 'abuse of power' is not a 'high crime or misdemeanor' under US Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No, impeachment is about "high crimes and misdemeanors." There is no mention of "misconduct" or "abuse of power." Both of those are just partisan opinion, nothing else.
    Obviously you didn't read the OP, the founders were AbsaByGodLutely concerned that a president would "abuse his power" to perpetuate his time in office.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    Per Hamilton's federalist paper #65, it's clear that abuse of power is, indeed, an impeachable offense
    Abuse of power for personal benefit, especially when that benefit is to stay in office IS why impeachment is in the Constitution.

    The argument against having impeachment in the Constitution were elections every four years. But, those for impeachment argued, given the potential power of the Presidency and the potential for abuse of that power to negate the elections, impeachment must be included. <-- that is an executive summary of Federalist 65.

    Oh and if that's not good enough, also too, the GAO (Government Accountability Office) says tRump broke the law when he withheld aid to the Ukraine; so, I don't know which, but that has to be at least a misdemeanor if not a high crime.
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    Re: Dershowitz claims 'abuse of power' is not a 'high crime or misdemeanor' under US Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Piglet View Post
    You might want to read the statute on what actually constitutes an "impeachable offense."

    I get it -- you don't like Trump -- but your dislike doesn't change our laws. Just yesterday, you discovered
    Trump's call didn't qualify as "extortion" either, yet you can't seem to stop making the same bogus accusations.

    Something tells me liberals know this impeachment is a fiasco, so they're trying to lay the groundwork for after Trump is acquitted. It's interesting to watch, but it's a little concerning, too.
    even a high misdemeanor is an impeachable offense. it is a "market based metric" for that high Office.

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    Re: Dershowitz claims 'abuse of power' is not a 'high crime or misdemeanor' under US Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    The classic Chewbacca Defense.
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    Re: Dershowitz claims 'abuse of power' is not a 'high crime or misdemeanor' under US Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    I think he is wrong:

    Per Hamilton's federalist paper #65, it's clear that abuse of power is, indeed, an impeachable offense:



    Although Hamilton is arguing that such a charge is "political" and given to "one side or the other" based on partisan passions, he is not saying it's inappropriate to so charge a president. He is merely indicating that removing a president based on such a charge is not easy. No one ever said it was.

    And, then there's precedent, whereas 'abuse of power' has been included in prior articles of impeachment, and were never stricken, right?


    So, if (paraphrased) "abuse of public trust by public men" is NOT "abuse of power", I find that a rather silly argument.

    Agreed, but since Dershowitz is a Trump fan and, now, Trump's lawyer, it's not like he's going to claim Trump is guilty for soliciting a bribe.

    OJ's lawyers claimed OJ was innocent too....one of whom was.....wait for it.....Alan Dershowitz.

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