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Where is the Tea Party??

Yeah I agree Bill Clinton stole more money from the people. They got tired of that that's why Bush was elected instead of Gore.
My criticism of Bush is that he increased spending. I'm okay with him stealing less.

Just say you don't care about deficits, because you clearly don't. That's OK, actually.

FWIW, taxes aren't theft, they are the cost of living in a developed country.
 
Right, but he's not arguing that at the far extreme level of 100% tax rates, we would see revenue decline, but a different argument that tax rate increases from current levels all the way through that extreme won't reduce deficits. It's false. We could easily raise enough taxes to eliminate our deficit. We could raise enough to spend quite a bit more than current levels.

FWIW, the Laffer curve is fine as an example that there is A level of taxes that's too high, and above which evasion and disincentives to work will reduce revenue, but for all practical purposes, in real life, it's just trotted out there for dishonest reasons to pretend that tax cuts won't reduce tax revenues. It's a lie, and asks us to believe in a free lunch.

No one knows the magic peak, or even how to measure it. Is it marginal tax rates? Effective tax rates? Top nominal rate? Whatever it is, we are WAY below that rate, and so the Laffer Curve is useless in any real world example that we've faced since the Kennedy/LBJ tax cuts in the 1960s, so for my entire lifetime.

Obviously the solution is two-fold: Cutting unnecessary spending and raising taxes to pay for necessary spending. No President this century has done both.

The Laffer Curve isn't lie, but political partisans use it to lie.
 
Obviously the solution is two-fold: Cutting unnecessary spending and raising taxes to pay for necessary spending. No President this century has done both.

The Laffer Curve isn't lie, but political partisans use it to lie.

I guess you mean in the 2000s, which is true enough.

And I agree the Laffer Curve isn't inherently dishonest, but it's invariably used dishonestly in political discourse. Its purpose was/is to sell the free lunch theory of tax cuts that the GOP argues explicitly, such as with the latest round of Trump tax cuts. We even heard this bull**** from the Treas. Sec. Mnuchin - “The [tax] plan will pay for itself with growth.” That's the Laffer Curve lie in practice.
 
Just say you don't care about deficits, because you clearly don't. That's OK, actually.
Just say you want the government to steal everything from everybody that has more than you. Jealousy is a human foible.
FWIW, taxes aren't theft, they are the cost of living in a developed country.
if it isn't theft it's extortion.

Give us money or negative things will happen to you is the definition of extortion.

Even if you think it's the cost of living in a developed country it's still at the very least extortion.
 
Composted = it went national and that's when it turned into compost. First Dick Armey then, when he was bought out in 2009, the Koch Brothers perverted the movement into what is now the Party of Trump.
This is simply inaccurate. The Koch brothers threw a wad of money at the Tea party, but they never got much traction with it. Armey was a like-thinker who happened to be in Congress. They got along but I never saw much influence there either.

As to Trump, not in 2016 at least. There is some overlap, but Tea party people were not big in Trump's support and vice versa. I think you can attribute most of Johnson's significant increase to Tea party faithful who would not vote Trump. That may have changed because Trump's job performance. In spite of the deficit, there are a lot of things in his job performance for fiscal conservatives to like.

Someone was saying the other day that Trump is the leader of Tea Party.
Someone uninformed.
 
Just say you want the government to steal everything from everybody that has more than you. Jealousy is a human foible.
if it isn't theft it's extortion.

Give us money or negative things will happen to you is the definition of extortion.

Even if you think it's the cost of living in a developed country it's still at the very least extortion.

Why do you hate your country?
 
I guess you mean in the 2000s, which is true enough.

And I agree the Laffer Curve isn't inherently dishonest, but it's invariably used dishonestly in political discourse. Its purpose was/is to sell the free lunch theory of tax cuts that the GOP argues explicitly, such as with the latest round of Trump tax cuts. We even heard this bull**** from the Treas. Sec. Mnuchin - “The [tax] plan will pay for itself with growth.” That's the Laffer Curve lie in practice.

The Laffer Curve has never been observed to work in real life.....except as a political gimmick.

As a gimmick, it has been gold the Republican Party has mined in every administration in my adult life time, including the current one.

It appeals directly to the buy now, pay later mentality of most Americans. You can have it all. Just sign the IOU. We (the politicians), will be gone by the time the bill comes due.

So, George HW Bush and Bill Clinton spent a decade cleaning up Reagan’s deficits. George W Bush promptly doubled the national debt and helped bequeath his successor with a depression.

Eight years later, and Trump is back at it, and his financial Svengali (and Wall Street’s man in the White House), reassured yet again!

We have the debt to prove it.
 
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Because no politician wants to cut spending. It is unpopular. Nobody running on the platform of cutting spending will ever get elected.

Spending money like teenage girl with a rich Daddy is fun.

To put this all at Trump's feet, is to ignore Barack Obama's part in it George w Bush's part in it Bill Clinton's part in it, and all the American people.

If you want a lower deficit stop voting for people who plan on spending money.

Trump to Mar-a-Lago leeches: “Who the hell cares about the budget? We’re going to have a country.”

As deficits soar, Trump asks, 'Who the hell cares about the budget?' | MSNBC
 

...and completely...

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Because no politician wants to cut spending. It is unpopular. Nobody running on the platform of cutting spending will ever get elected.

Spending money like teenage girl with a rich Daddy is fun.

To put this all at Trump's feet, is to ignore Barack Obama's part in it George w Bush's part in it Bill Clinton's part in it, and all the American people.

If you want a lower deficit stop voting for people who plan on spending money.

Who's putting it all at Trump's feet?

Trump took a great economy, one that had record breaking steady growth, and needed to give huge tax cuts to the richest Americans, and let industry destroy the environment, to keep it going. Trump is using the crackhead economic strategy: Steal from your family, and spend it all on feeling great tonight.

I've heard meth and opiates are a huge problem in middle America, maybe that's why so many love and excuse this strategy?
 
This is simply inaccurate. The Koch brothers threw a wad of money at the Tea party, but they never got much traction with it. Armey was a like-thinker who happened to be in Congress. They got along but I never saw much influence there either.

As to Trump, not in 2016 at least. There is some overlap, but Tea party people were not big in Trump's support and vice versa. I think you can attribute most of Johnson's significant increase to Tea party faithful who would not vote Trump. That may have changed because Trump's job performance. In spite of the deficit, there are a lot of things in his job performance for fiscal conservatives to like.


Someone uninformed.

If true, then where is the Tea Party now? Who are former Tea Party members supporting now? How many are wearing MAGA hats and attending Trump rallies? I can only speak for my friends and acquaintances, but all the ex-Tea Party members are now Trump fans.
 
Who's putting it all at Trump's feet?

Trump took a great economy, one that had record breaking steady growth, and needed to give huge tax cuts to the richest Americans, and let industry destroy the environment, to keep it going. Trump is using the crackhead economic strategy: Steal from your family, and spend it all on feeling great tonight.

I've heard meth and opiates are a huge problem in middle America, maybe that's why so many love and excuse this strategy?

No he made a great economy. And that is done by removing stifling policies that go into the guise of environmentalism.

No it's a good strategy rage against Trump anti-capitalism doesn't want it to be. So you make up falsehoods and pretended they are real
 
Why do you hate your fellow citizens?

I'm not the one accusing the government of stealing my money, or alternatively extorting it, to pay the bills. I'm grateful, thankful to live here. I'd rather the nice things come free, but I'm not a child so realize they do not.
 
Did you know what the TEA party was about? Taxed Enough Already? If you are worried about the deficit quit demanding free stuff, but if I know the Trump haters on this forum you'll be voting for Bernie to get more free stuff and you'll just worry about the deficit when the next Republican is in office.

What free stuff are you referring to, and how can I get some? I already have Social Security, Medicare and mortgage interest deductions, the government tests medicine I receive, all of which give me free stuff, but is there something I am missing?
 
I'm not the one accusing the government of stealing my money, or alternatively extorting it, to pay the bills.
Yes you think the wealth the government confiscates from people is theirs. You hate people because you don't want them keeping their money.
I'm grateful, thankful to live here. I'd rather the nice things come free, but I'm not a child so realize they do not.
Nice things don't come free. Nothing does.

The tax payers pay for it. But **** them they should be taxed so you can get free ****. You dispise the hand that feeds you.

You are a misanthrope.
 
What free stuff are you referring to, and how can I get some? I already have Social Security, Medicare and mortgage interest deductions, the government tests medicine I receive, all of which give me free stuff, but is there something I am missing?

You think SS and Medicare are free?
 
Yes you think the wealth the government confiscates from people is theirs. You hate people because you don't want them keeping their money. Nice things don't come free. Nothing does.

The tax payers pay for it. But **** them they should be taxed so you can get free ****. You dispise the hand that feeds you.

You are a misanthrope.

There you go again. Theft, extortion, now it's confiscation! Goodness, if you hate it here that badly, perhaps you should make other arrangements!?

And I'm not sure what 'free ****' I get. And I don't actually say "**** them" to taxpayers. We are BIG taxpayers! so why would I say '**** them' to...myself and my wife so I can get "free ****" that when I do our taxes it looks like we pay quite a bit for? That would be weird! :confused:

Quite a bizarre rant. Maybe you don't know me as well as you thought you did? Not sure where you got the idea I was a misanthrope. I'm actually a pretty friendly guy who likes most everyone I meet. Make a point of being friendly, in fact, especially to those who provide the day to day services we all enjoy. I've always thought the best way to identify a "true" asshole and overall piece of **** is to see who treats clerks, waitresses and other service employees like crap. I've been there, and on that side the correlation is nearly perfect. It also has nothing to do with money and who has it. Lots of rich and poor assholes in the world, sadly.
 
You think SS and Medicare are free?

Yes, I have gotten far more from both than I ever paid into. Friend of mine in a wheelchair has gotten loads of disability payments as he was shot long before he worked enough to pay even a small fraction of what he has received. We all get free stuff.
 
Who's putting it all at Trump's feet?

Trump took a great economy, one that had record breaking steady growth, and needed to give huge tax cuts to the richest Americans, and let industry destroy the environment, to keep it going. Trump is using the crackhead economic strategy: Steal from your family, and spend it all on feeling great tonight.

I've heard meth and opiates are a huge problem in middle America, maybe that's why so many love and excuse this strategy?
Man, you aren't drinking the cool, you're getting by IV. Obama even told us slow grow was the "new normal" and did his best to make it happen. GDP squeaked out a 1.6% growth in 2016. The stockmarket hadn't gained more than 1000 points in the previous two years until Trump got elected.
 
There you go again. Theft, extortion, now it's confiscation! Goodness, if you hate it here that badly, perhaps you should make other arrangements!?
So if you complain about Donald Trump you should make other arrangements?
And I'm not sure what 'free ****' I get. And I don't actually say "**** them" to taxpayers. We are BIG taxpayers! so why would I say '**** them' to...myself and my wife so I can get "free ****" that when I do our taxes it looks like we pay quite a bit for? That would be weird! :confused:
you like having that stolen from you?
Quite a bizarre rant.
don't ask me stupid questions.
 
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