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Where is the Tea Party??

Luther said:
No, Nobody hijack my local tea party group and they decided to endorse candidates even after they said they would not in their manifesto.

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The Tea Party members are attending Trump rallies.
 
Obviously, it was never about taxes, debt, or deficits. It was about the president being black.
 
Kurmugeon said:
We learned an Important lesson with Lerner...

Never vote for a third party, until every Democrat and Far-Leftie is removed from any elected office, and any position of Authority, particularly in Media, Higher Education, or Leadership of Government Agencies, particularly the Intel Agencies.

And we Centrists won't vote for anyone but the GOP, until every damn Leftie is GONE!
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I see, so the "Centrists" only want everyone left of Dick Cheney removed from all seats of power? Sounds very centristy! :shock:
 
CLAX1911 said:
People don't seem to understand the deficit is created by spending. The idea of cutting taxes is to lower the budget meaning cut back on spending.
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Revenues minus expenses = surplus (deficit)

or

A-B=C

Both A and B impact C! That's what I understand because it's just a fact!
 
JasperL said:
Revenues minus expenses = surplus (deficit)

or

A-B=C

Both A and B impact C! That's what I understand because it's just a fact!
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So, with revenues rising it would follow that spending needs to be addressed.
 
GreatNews2night said:
Obviously, it was never about taxes, debt, or deficits. It was about the president being black.
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Bull****. His first four years in office he oversaw $5.5 trillion dollars in deficits; it doesn't matter if he were black, white, purple, or plaid. What matters is the mountain of green he spent.
 
Bullseye said:
So, with revenues rising it would follow that spending needs to be addressed.
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Or, we could change the tax laws to make revenue rise faster! OR cut spending. OR BOTH! All three options will reduce deficits!

A-B=C

It's fascinating how the GOP cuts taxes, the deficits explode, then they claim that the only way to address the deficits the TAX CUTS caused, or made worse, is to....cut spending, but never to raise the taxes they just cut, and that made deficits worse. :confused:
 
JasperL said:
Or, we could change the tax laws to make revenue rise faster!
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Already did that. Revenues are up 4% over last year at this time.

JasperL said:
OR cut spending.
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Sounds good what are you going to cut?


JasperL said:
It's fascinating how the GOP cuts taxes, the deficits explode, then they claim that the only way to address the deficits the TAX CUTS caused, or made worse, is to....cut spending, but never to raise the taxes they just cut, and that made deficits worse. :confused:
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If revenues are increasing because of the tax cuts how exactly do they "blow up the deficit"? Trick question: they don't. SPENDING is the problem, period.
 
JasperL said:
Revenues minus expenses = surplus (deficit)

or

A-B=C

Both A and B impact C! That's what I understand because it's just a fact!
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No only spending increases deficit. Think of it like a credit card if you don't spend any money on your credit card do you accrue any debt on that credit card?

It's the bone simplest form of economics. Don't spend money you don't have.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Our deficit is soaring. Why did they fall silent after Obama??


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Because the deficit was merely a ruse for an inability to stomach a black President. Trump, blowing the biggest hole in the deficit ever, and a fully ignorant and white racist guy to boot, is perfect for them.
 
Kurmugeon said:
We learned an Important lesson with Lerner...

Never vote for a third party, until every Democrat and Far-Leftie is removed from any elected office, and any position of Authority, particularly in Media, Higher Education, or Leadership of Government Agencies, particularly the Intel Agencies.

And we Centrists won't vote for anyone but the GOP, until every damn Leftie is GONE!

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It's a Non Sequitur to declare oneself a "centrist" then only push a far Right agenda.
 
Bullseye said:
Bull****. His first four years in office he oversaw $5.5 trillion dollars in deficits; it doesn't matter if he were black, white, purple, or plaid. What matters is the mountain of green he spent.
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Well, if that were true, they'd be going berserk right now against Donald Trump and his hugely escalating deficit, right? Do you care to guess why they're absolutely silent about it? Hint: Donald Trump may be orange, but he ain't black.
 
Bullseye said:
Bull****. His first four years in office he oversaw $5.5 trillion dollars in deficits; it doesn't matter if he were black, white, purple, or plaid. What matters is the mountain of green he spent.
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He had to spend to stop a catastrophic recession inherited from George W. Bush (who actually was the one who started that spending right before leaving office, given that even that dumbass new that it had to be done - or probably he didn't know zip but someone with some sense advised him; Obama then continued it) which might have been the worst in history, even above the 1930's, so, yeah, Obama had to spend and the economy did start recovering under him at the end of his two terms, which is just a fact (although Trump took credit for the continuation of that).

But sure, I can respect a fiscal conservative... The problem is, that's not what the Tea Party was made of, as proven by the fact that as soon as the black guy left office, they went silent, regardless of the fact that the whitish orange guy who followed him started poking huge deficit holes in the economy.

I mean, it's crystal-clear. You can deny it as much as you want (Trumpers are experts in denial; if Trump shot someone by daylight on 5th avenue, etc.), but your denial won't change the facts.
 
Bullseye said:
Already did that. Revenues are up 4% over last year at this time.

Sounds good what are you going to cut?


If revenues are increasing because of the tax cuts how exactly do they "blow up the deficit"? Trick question: they don't. SPENDING is the problem, period.
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Yep, and that goes for the Trump agenda(wink)
 
CLAX1911 said:
No only spending increases deficit. Think of it like a credit card if you don't spend any money on your credit card do you accrue any debt on that credit card?

It's the bone simplest form of economics. Don't spend money you don't have.
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Actually you're just proving the point. You are mixing up deficit and debt, as evidenced by your use of both words in your sentence. Yep, if you spend money you don't have you get debt, but if you spend money you do have, there is no debt. So, if your disposable income is way bigger than your expenses and you use your credit card but you spend less than what you earn, then there is no debt.

Pray tell, how do governments earn the money? By collecting taxes. Dramatically cut taxes: that's equivalent to the owner of that credit card having a huge cut in his salary. At that point, if he keeps spending or even if he reduces spending but still spends more than his disposable income and can't afford to pay his credit card bill, that's when that credit card will acquire a debt, right? Because if you use your credit card and you acquire a temporary debt, but you earn enough to pay it in full at the end of the billing cycle, there is no deficit and you are not acquiring any debt.

What is a deficit? It's expenses being bigger than income. Therefore, obviously, both the expenses and the income are factors in its calculation.

Exactly, you said it yourself: don't spend money you don't have. But how do you get to not having that money? When your revenue drops. Which is what Trump's huge tax cut for the rich and for the corporations is doing; better proof, the deficit *is* mathematically growing, and that's just a fact, regardless of your denial.
 
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The tea party died the day they decided to endorse candidates and play the game in our broken political system starting with our broken citizenry
 
Bullseye said:
Already did that. Revenues are up 4% over last year at this time.
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Yes, off a lower baseline, thanks to the tax cuts. Revenues were roughly $200B or so less than without the tax cuts.

Sounds good what are you going to cut?
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Trump's golf budget.

If revenues are increasing because of the tax cuts how exactly do they "blow up the deficit"? Trick question: they don't. SPENDING is the problem, period.
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Tax cuts do NOT increase revenue. Anyone who seriously asserts it as a fact is 1) ignorant, or 2) lying. Tax cuts lower revenue - last year about $200B, and roughly $1,500 billion over the 10 year period. One of our biggest problems is right wingers believe lies about the impact of tax cuts. Makes having productive discussions about fiscal policy difficult when one side believes things that are just not true.

And math tells us that deficits are impacted by both tax revenues and spending, and world history tells us we can easily fund current spending levels by raising taxes. All it takes is the will to do it.
 
CLAX1911 said:
No only spending increases deficit. Think of it like a credit card if you don't spend any money on your credit card do you accrue any debt on that credit card?

It's the bone simplest form of economics. Don't spend money you don't have.
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Math says you're wrong. I'll go with math. Both A and B impact C!

A-B=C

Another bone simple form of economics is government has the power to tax, so set taxes high enough to cover spending. States, counties, cities do it all the time! Sometimes they have to raise taxes. The world does not end when that happens. The economy does not collapse.
 
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