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    Weakies and Wimpies

    There are several major divisions between current progressives and conservatives. One is socialism vs capitalism, and another is atheism vs religion. In this post I will write about toughness vs weakness.

    One reason Trump was elected is because he represents toughness and strength. Rightly or wrongly. I am talking about the impression, the emotions involved not necessarily logic. Republicans, in general, have come to represent strength. AND WHY IS THAT? you ask.

    Well, for example, consider the Native Americans. We know that they were devastated by European colonialism. According to the progressive narrative, this happened because the white settlers had the advantage of superior weapons and military power. Poor little Indian wimpies! They deserve our sympathy and we ought to make it up to them by taking good care of them forever.

    However, as often happens, the progressive narrative is distorted to fit the progressive worldview. Support for the weak, the mistreated, the minorities. Hatred for the rich and powerful.

    In reality, the vast majority of Native American deaths were from infectious diseases brought unknowingly by the settlers. Since they didn't own cows, for example, the Indians had no immunity to smallpox.

    Now you can nitpick and quibble if you want to waste time. But it's a fact that the Native Indians were defeated MOSTLY by microbes. The majority of them died, and those who survived didn't have the numbers needed for military success.

    The Indians were GOOD fighters. Probably a lot braver than the settlers. And when they got guns and horses, they were great.

    That is just one example of progressive glorification of weakness. And it sends a whole lot of Americans over to the Republicans, and to Trump. Those are people who want to feel part of something strong and great, not something weak and wimpie.

    I do UNDERSTAND there is a place for compassion and kindness, and not all problems can be solved by brutality and toughness. But we honestly do need both, in this world, like it or not.

    Progressivism and liberalism have had great success in feminizing this country. I am female, so it took me a VERY long time to understand that men need to feel strong. And not only that, there is a tough side to women also, it just gets buried.

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    "One reason Trump was elected is because he represents toughness and strength."


    'Ol bone spurs who doesn't like soldiers who were captured? Who has to photoshop himself on top of an actual toned body? gtfoh
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    I wouldn't call it toughness, necessarily. It is the ability to look at any given situation and make the best decision based on the greater good for largest number of people. It's tough sometimes, but a greater number of conservative leaders can do it better than liberals.
    There were exceptions, FDR for example.
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    Re: Weakies and Wimpies

    Quote Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
    There are several major divisions between current progressives and conservatives. One is socialism vs capitalism, and another is atheism vs religion. In this post I will write about toughness vs weakness.

    One reason Trump was elected is because he represents toughness and strength. Rightly or wrongly. I am talking about the impression, the emotions involved not necessarily logic. Republicans, in general, have come to represent strength. AND WHY IS THAT? you ask.

    Well, for example, consider the Native Americans. We know that they were devastated by European colonialism. According to the progressive narrative, this happened because the white settlers had the advantage of superior weapons and military power. Poor little Indian wimpies! They deserve our sympathy and we ought to make it up to them by taking good care of them forever.

    However, as often happens, the progressive narrative is distorted to fit the progressive worldview. Support for the weak, the mistreated, the minorities. Hatred for the rich and powerful.

    In reality, the vast majority of Native American deaths were from infectious diseases brought unknowingly by the settlers. Since they didn't own cows, for example, the Indians had no immunity to smallpox.
    ...

    The Indians were GOOD fighters. Probably a lot braver than the settlers. And when they got guns and horses, they were great.

    That is just one example of progressive glorification of weakness. And it sends a whole lot of Americans over to the Republicans, and to Trump. Those are people who want to feel part of something strong and great, not something weak and wimpie.

    I do UNDERSTAND there is a place for compassion and kindness, and not all problems can be solved by brutality and toughness. But we honestly do need both, in this world, like it or not.

    Progressivism and liberalism have had great success in feminizing this country. I am female, so it took me a VERY long time to understand that men need to feel strong. And not only that, there is a tough side to women also, it just gets buried.
    Edited for word count.

    Good4Nothin:

    Why must strength and toughness translate into brutalisation and coerced exploitation? Why cannot strength and toughness be expressed in productive drives rather than in destructive ones? Strength and toughness should strengthen positive drivers like hard work, creativity, confidence, courage, honesty, generosity and foremost community. The kind of strength and toughness I believe you are describing breeds get-rich-quick, crushing most creativity to focus on national destinies, insecurity when faced with criticism, cowardice and deceit when faced with reporting and narratives which run against the narratives fostered by the strong, greed and avarice for more power and more wealth and the sundering of communities in order to divide and rule.

    Please don't go apoplectic when I paraphrase a very strong man who had great personal toughness and political stamina. Joseph Stalin was a strong and tough man who created a nightmare state in Russia. Stalin argued when faced with better trained and better equipped invaders who were ruthless but high quality soldiers that quantity has its own quality when describing the ill-trained and I'll-equipped Soviet hoarders who eventual defeated the invaders. That idea is important because always riding the coat-tails of strength and toughness are arrogance and hubris. Arrogance and hubris turn weaker, less tough people into revolutionary swarms which overwhelm the strong and tough, often to the ruin of all. Strong and tough persons with even a few functioning synapses understand this and when they get into power immediately begin to divide and rule the weaker but potentially swarm-forming people they have championed over or risen amongst. That tendency is antithetical to a healthy republic and a democracy. Thus strength and toughness often move to degrade and disable democracy and republican ideals in order to remain strong, tough and at the top of the heap. That is what your beloved President Trump and other "strong and tough" politicians from all aisles of the political spectrum are doing to America since the end of the Cold War. They are creating a house divided in order to neuter the electorate and to paraphrase another strong and tough man who was wise as well, a house divided will surely fall.

    Wisdom, honour, intelligence, courage to face down the strong and the tough who would rise for their own selfish gain, fairness and rational altruism for the most needy and the humility and discipline to walk away from exercising power after a short period of public service are the virtues which sustain great states for long durations. Strength and toughness coupled with a modicum of intelligence forge empires and tyrannies which eventually fall to swarms of the weaker in revolt, causing the ruin of many.

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    G4N:

    The bolded section in the post above is the route to fascism, not republic.



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    Re: Weakies and Wimpies

    Quote Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
    There are several major divisions between current progressives and conservatives. One is socialism vs capitalism, and another is atheism vs religion. In this post I will write about toughness vs weakness.

    One reason Trump was elected is because he represents toughness and strength. Rightly or wrongly. I am talking about the impression, the emotions involved not necessarily logic. Republicans, in general, have come to represent strength. AND WHY IS THAT? you ask.

    Well, for example, consider the Native Americans. We know that they were devastated by European colonialism. According to the progressive narrative, this happened because the white settlers had the advantage of superior weapons and military power. Poor little Indian wimpies! They deserve our sympathy and we ought to make it up to them by taking good care of them forever.

    However, as often happens, the progressive narrative is distorted to fit the progressive worldview. Support for the weak, the mistreated, the minorities. Hatred for the rich and powerful.

    In reality, the vast majority of Native American deaths were from infectious diseases brought unknowingly by the settlers. Since they didn't own cows, for example, the Indians had no immunity to smallpox.

    Now you can nitpick and quibble if you want to waste time. But it's a fact that the Native Indians were defeated MOSTLY by microbes. The majority of them died, and those who survived didn't have the numbers needed for military success.

    The Indians were GOOD fighters. Probably a lot braver than the settlers. And when they got guns and horses, they were great.

    That is just one example of progressive glorification of weakness. And it sends a whole lot of Americans over to the Republicans, and to Trump. Those are people who want to feel part of something strong and great, not something weak and wimpie.

    I do UNDERSTAND there is a place for compassion and kindness, and not all problems can be solved by brutality and toughness. But we honestly do need both, in this world, like it or not.

    Progressivism and liberalism have had great success in feminizing this country. I am female, so it took me a VERY long time to understand that men need to feel strong. And not only that, there is a tough side to women also, it just gets buried.
    Just goes to show that women are not necessarily smarter than men...
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    The dude is a silver spooned draft dodger who screws other men's wives.

    I think the OP is trying to convince himself, given all the recent news about Trump and his mafia like tactics, that it's OK to support him because of other reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
    There are several major divisions between current progressives and conservatives. One is socialism vs capitalism ...
    That's where I stopped reading... By the same token, someone on the left can say capitalism for progressives and fascism for conservatives. And they would be just as right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    "One reason Trump was elected is because he represents toughness and strength."


    'Ol bone spurs who doesn't like soldiers who were captured? Who has to photoshop himself on top of an actual toned body? gtfoh
    I said RIGHTLY or WRONGLY.

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