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Victoria Toensing - Fox News legal expert

Mycroft said:
Why are you avoiding the true source of corruption in the US?

I ask that seriously.

Do you really think the corrupt care about you?
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That is funny. The corrupt don't about anyone other than themselves. Trump is the perfect example.

True root of corruption is power and that is the present administration.

By the way, have you already forgotten that Pruitt and Scott were ousted from the administration for "proven" corruption. How about Manafort being the definition of corruption. Oh, lets not forget that Trump has his own family in the administration which is specifically a no-no when it comes to corruption as there is always an evident bias "for family".

You should not go there (corruption) when talking about others because for every 1 example you give of a Democrat being corrupt, I can give you 5 administration officials that are corrupt. What is worse is that corruption does not work as well if you are not in power but works perfectly when in power.

You really need to hone you debating skills Mycroft, they are about as bad as they can get.
 
Mycroft said:
Yonanovich lied in Congressional testimony at least three times. Is that your standard for characterizing someone as "extremely high level of morals, ethics, principles and humanity"?
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She lied? Prove it. You are the one lying!
 
danielpalos said:
We have a State department for that. Private policy cannot be public policy of the United States.
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Trump has been using both the State Department and other means. That is perfectly legal...even if "you" don't like it.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Nice dodge, but what about your alleged past investigation(s?) of Hunter Biden's pretend "job" with Burisma? You have yet to state who did this alleged investigating of Hunter (or Joe) Biden or why that past investigating was deemed necessary. Could that be because such investigating never happened?
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Are conservatives now advocating that we should investigate the paid employees of corporations for whether they are "earning" their wages? LMAO.... If there is proof of corruption, we have plenty of federal laws to prosecute. Bring the evidence to court and prosecute away...
 
Fletch said:
:lamo One of these days you are going to figure out that the impeachment investigation takes place in the House. Dems had their chance to call any witness they wanted but were in too big of a hurry. Now its too late. Pelosi, that political mastermind, blew it.

Nah, youll never figure that out
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Fletch, you are miles behind being informed about the current situation going on with the impeachment trial. And there has never been a legitimate trial in the US Senate that could have been conducted legally without evidence or witnesses.

The House called all kinds of witnesses and subpoenaed volumes of documents. Trump systematically blockaded congressional subpoenas and instructed current and former aides not to provide documents and testimony, that was the basis for the House to impeach Trump based on obstruction of Congress. Indeed, Democrats used their chance to call witnesses. Those that appeared to give testimony did it against the orders of Trump. That's right. People like Marie Yovanovitch, Fiona Hill, Gordon Sondland, Alex Vindman, Kurt Volkner, Jennifer Williams and Ambassador Bill Taylor were all instructed by Trump's administration not to appear. But they were patriots and appeared out of a sense of duty.

Four others that defied Congress and obeyed Trump's orders not to testify or to provide more than 85 documents subpoenaed by Congress were; The four who defied the subpoenas are John Eisenberg, legal adviser to the National Security Council, his deputy, Michael Ellis, as well as Robert Blair, a top aide to acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, and Brian McCormack, an aide at the White House Office of Management and Budget who previously worked for Energy Secretary Rick Perry. Additionally, Steve Mnuchin defied Congress by refusing to turn over documents that were subpoenaed.
 
BlueTex said:
Are conservatives now advocating that we should investigate the paid employees of corporations for whether they are "earning" their wages? LMAO.... If there is proof of corruption, we have plenty of federal laws to prosecute. Bring the evidence to court and prosecute away...
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There is plenty of evidence of Joe Biden pushing for much more US "energy" aid to (known to be corrupt) Ukraine where his son just happened to have become employed by a Ukrainian (non-green) energy company and kept that "job" (requiring no travel to Ukraine or industry knowledge) until 2018.

This, of course, was not the "green" energy which Joe Biden (now) insists is best (essential?) for the USA - this US aid was for natural gas which is (now?) said to be an evil "fossil fuel" by none other than Joe Biden. Why "liberals" were (and still are?) OK with that US public (energy?) policy being pushed by Joe Biden is not often (if ever) mentioned.

BTW, no "lethal" military aid was ever being sent to Ukraine under Obama (Biden), yet that was (miraculously?) never said to pose the (serious and impeachable?) "national security risk" now being alleged when Trump simply delayed such (absolutely essential, yet never perviously sent or used?) "lethal" military aid to Ukraine for a few weeks. To assert that Trump's actions (motives?) were purely political while denying that Pelosi's actions (motives?) are purely political is nonsense

The bottom line is that Hunter Biden making $3M while (briefly?) being a foreign fossil fuel energy "tycoon" smells of not only corruption but of hypocrisy for Joe "green energy" Biden as he runs for POTUS.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The bottom line is that Hunter Biden making $3M while (briefly?) being a foreign fossil fuel energy "tycoon" smells of not only corruption but of hypocrisy for Joe "green energy" Biden as he runs for POTUS.
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Great!
Let's have Trump_DoJ and the senate open investigations.

Why won't Trump_DoJ and the Senate look into this obvious corruption?
wtf?


It's not that the charges against the Bidens are bull****.
No way that simple explanation could be true.
It's not like political talking heads would ever talk the talk w/o walking the walk. That would NEVER happen, right?
so...
Trump_DoJ and the Senate are in on the conspiracy w/ the Bidens.
That's why Trump_DoJ and the Senate won't investigate!
 
ttwtt78640 said:
There is plenty of evidence of Joe Biden pushing for much more US "energy" aid to (known to be corrupt) Ukraine where his son just happened to have become employed by a Ukrainian (non-green) energy company and kept that "job" (requiring no travel to Ukraine or industry knowledge) until 2018.

This, of course, was not the "green" energy which Joe Biden (now) insists is best (essential?) for the USA - this US aid was for natural gas which is (now?) said to be an evil "fossil fuel" by none other than Joe Biden. Why "liberals" were (and still are?) OK with that US public (energy?) policy being pushed by Joe Biden is not often (if ever) mentioned.

BTW, no "lethal" military aid was ever being sent to Ukraine under Obama (Biden), yet that was (miraculously?) never said to pose the (serious and impeachable?) "national security risk" now being alleged when Trump simply delayed such (absolutely essential, yet never perviously sent or used?) "lethal" military aid to Ukraine for a few weeks. To assert that Trump's actions (motives?) were purely political while denying that Pelosi's actions (motives?) are purely political is nonsense

The bottom line is that Hunter Biden making $3M while (briefly?) being a foreign fossil fuel energy "tycoon" smells of not only corruption but of hypocrisy for Joe "green energy" Biden as he runs for POTUS.
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Then there's the $100,000/month somebody was being paid per Parnas.

That's twice what hunter was getting a month but nobody on the right seems to think the amount scandalous.

The energy thing is about Russia trying to move in on American natural gas businesses. Geopolitical economic stuff.

Biden's involvement is a little shady, but pretty much run of the mill wealthy/powerful shady.

At the end of the day, while they aren't getting paid, do either ivanka or Jared have the qualifications to hold the positions they do? What does Jared know about the opiod crisis or the middle east to be put in charge of both?
 
danielpalos said:
Another oversight case for the House?
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Sure. Why not? It's not like they have any intention of doing the job the people elected them to do.
 
Rising Sun said:
My apologies for misreading your post. The fact I hadn't had my morning coffee yet is no excuse and I throw myself on the mercy of the court.
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I know how it is with coffee. No problem.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
There is plenty of evidence of Joe Biden pushing for much more US "energy" aid to (known to be corrupt) Ukraine where his son just happened to have become employed by a Ukrainian (non-green) energy company and kept that "job" (requiring no travel to Ukraine or industry knowledge) until 2018.
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There are plenty of public comments about why Hunter Biden was hired from the Chairman of the Board of Burisma. Continuing the "no industry knowledge" meme just underscores ignorance of why board members are chosen.

This, of course, was not the "green" energy which Joe Biden (now) insists is best (essential?) for the USA - this US aid was for natural gas which is (now?) said to be an evil "fossil fuel" by none other than Joe Biden. Why "liberals" were (and still are?) OK with that US public (energy?) policy being pushed by Joe Biden is not often (if ever) mentioned.

BTW, no "lethal" military aid was ever being sent to Ukraine under Obama (Biden), yet that was (miraculously?) never said to pose the (serious and impeachable?) "national security risk" now being alleged when Trump simply delayed such (absolutely essential, yet never perviously sent or used?) "lethal" military aid to Ukraine for a few weeks. To assert that Trump's actions (motives?) were purely political while denying that Pelosi's actions (motives?) are purely political is nonsense
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Under you under the delusion that the Javelin missiles Ukraine has purchased from us are deployed on the front lines and being actively used?

The bottom line is that Hunter Biden making $3M while (briefly?) being a foreign fossil fuel energy "tycoon" smells of not only corruption but of hypocrisy for Joe "green energy" Biden as he runs for POTUS.
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If we are going to start prosecuting people for hypocrisy then the GOP is in real trouble...
 
danielpalos said:
no need for personal attorneys to advance public policy.
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I agree with you for the most part - unless the permanent bureaucracy (some call that the "deep state") is unresponsive to (chief?) executive (and their assigns) policy control.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
There is plenty of evidence of Joe Biden pushing for much more US "energy" aid to (known to be corrupt) Ukraine where his son just happened to have become employed by a Ukrainian (non-green) energy company and kept that "job" (requiring no travel to Ukraine or industry knowledge) until 2018.

This, of course, was not the "green" energy which Joe Biden (now) insists is best (essential?) for the USA - this US aid was for natural gas which is (now?) said to be an evil "fossil fuel" by none other than Joe Biden. Why "liberals" were (and still are?) OK with that US public (energy?) policy being pushed by Joe Biden is not often (if ever) mentioned.

BTW, no "lethal" military aid was ever being sent to Ukraine under Obama (Biden), yet that was (miraculously?) never said to pose the (serious and impeachable?) "national security risk" now being alleged when Trump simply delayed such (absolutely essential, yet never perviously sent or used?) "lethal" military aid to Ukraine for a few weeks. To assert that Trump's actions (motives?) were purely political while denying that Pelosi's actions (motives?) are purely political is nonsense

The bottom line is that Hunter Biden making $3M while (briefly?) being a foreign fossil fuel energy "tycoon" smells of not only corruption but of hypocrisy for Joe "green energy" Biden as he runs for POTUS.
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1. Biden pushed Obama for military and energy aid to Ukraine (with a standing army of just 8,000 members) at the time Russia invaded Crimea, effectively robbing the country of as much as 80% of it's energy resources.

2. The “environmental friendliness” of Ukraine’s available energy sources was far exceeded by the country’s urgent need to bring in much needed revenue to support fighting off an invading country.

3. Again, Biden did push Obama to provide military aid to Ukraine.

4. Hunter Biden’s obvious and wildly inappropriate high paying position as a board member of Burisma is indefensible, IMO. Having said that, you are wrong in asserting that he was “briefly” employed by the company. That is, unless you consider 5 years brief.
 
Excast said:
Everyone is lying to you other than the man who has provably lied thousands of times since taking office.

The Republican Party really has turned into a mindless cult.
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That is so true! How come they can't support this sleazebag and still speak out against some of the things he says and does? Why is it that with Trump supporters, it's mandatory to be 'all or nothing at all', they support him 100%, that's the rule under their new King.

Trump is their cult leader, they have discarded any integrity they may have had, and turned their backs on their country and constitution. They didn't even sell their souls, they just handed them over to their new Dictator, including what little minds they may have once possessed. Disturbing to watch the Trump Party followers also are okay with kneeling in front of Mr. Putin every day, what the hell is this country becoming? :twisted:

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danielpalos said:
firing ambassadors is the usual practice.
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Yep, and one was "reassigned" and another transferred in to take their place. I can certainly see why many (including myself) object to Trump's "unusual practices", but it's up to the Senate to decide if that (particular example of delaying US aid) warrants Trump's removal from office.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, and one was "reassigned" and another transferred in to take their place. I can certainly see why many (including myself) object to Trump's "unusual practices", but it's up to the Senate to decide if that (particular example of delaying US aid) warrants Trump's removal from office.
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Yes, only the Senate, assembled, can fix that precedent for our posterity.
 
Evidently, this thread has gone far off its topic.

Victoria Toensing (and her husband).

I’ve been watching these two for years.

They’re the kind of “lawyers” that gangsters used to call “mouthpieces”.

Their job, like Guliani, is to keep the Fox News, talk radio audience entertained and in line.

Their stock in trade include promoting conspiracy theories by hiding behind their job titles to imply expertise, when what they’re really doing is peddling a PR meme.

Both of them were heavily involved in ginning up the talk radio audience again and again during Daryl Issa’s Benghazi show.

I can recall one typical example. Toensing, who claimed to be the lawyer for a Benghazi “whistleblower” that the talk radio was promoting as having “blockbuster revelations”.

She went on Fox Noise and told the target audience that the State Deparment was stonewalling the whistleblower’s attorneys request for documents.

She didn’t tell the audience that she was the attorney, and that she had not, in fact, actually requested any documents.

But she did go on right wing propoganda news and tell the audience that her client was being denied access to documents they didn’t actually ever ask for.

This ginned up the talk radio audience with this fake documents claim, and primed them for the buildup all the right wing disc jockeys fed their audience in advance of the hearing.

Of course, there were no blockbuster revaluation in the hearing, dispite the heady promises of DiGenova, Toensing, O’Rielly, Hannity and the rest.

But by then, that audience had entirely forgotten about the fake claim that Toensing floated to start the campaign.

This is how guys like this operate.

They have a gullible and very receptive audience, one with little knowledge of American history or government, and blessed with an attention span that is hardly longer than the average talk radio show.
 
snakestretcher said:
Well, be sure to let us know as soon as he is arrested and charged with something. Until then feel free to indulge in idle speculation.
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Why do you refuse to speculate? Is it because you are too tribal or is it that no one has told you what to think yet? One thing is for certain though, if his name were Hunter Trump you would have long ago connected all the dots, or at least be here parroting someone else who had.
 
TomFitz said:
Evidently, this thread has gone far off its topic.

Victoria Toensing (and her husband).

I’ve been watching these two for years.

They’re the kind of “lawyers” that gangsters used to call “mouthpieces”.

Their job, like Guliani, is to keep the Fox News, talk radio audience entertained and in line.

Their stock in trade include promoting conspiracy theories by hiding behind their job titles to imply expertise, when what they’re really doing is peddling a PR meme.

Both of them were heavily involved in ginning up the talk radio audience again and again during Daryl Issa’s Benghazi show.

I can recall one typical example. Toensing, who claimed to be the lawyer for a Benghazi “whistleblower” that the talk radio was promoting as having “blockbuster revelations”.

She went on Fox Noise and told the target audience that the State Deparment was stonewalling the whistleblower’s attorneys request for documents.

She didn’t tell the audience that she was the attorney, and that she had not, in fact, actually requested any documents.

But she did go on right wing propoganda news and tell the audience that her client was being denied access to documents they didn’t actually ever ask for.

This ginned up the talk radio audience with this fake documents claim, and primed them for the buildup all the right wing disc jockeys fed their audience in advance of the hearing.

Of course, there were no blockbuster revaluation in the hearing, dispite the heady promises of DiGenova, Toensing, O’Rielly, Hannity and the rest.

But by then, that audience had entirely forgotten about the fake claim that Toensing floated to start the campaign.

This is how guys like this operate.

They have a gullible and very receptive audience, one with little knowledge of American history or government, and blessed with an attention span that is hardly longer than the average talk radio show.
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As someone who fell for the collusion hoax for 3 years, you have no business calling anyone else gullible
 
Old 'N Chill said:
That is so true! How come they can't support this sleazebag and still speak out against some of the things he says and does? Why is it that with Trump supporters, it's mandatory to be 'all or nothing at all', they support him 100%, that's the rule under their new King.

Trump is their cult leader, they have discarded any integrity they may have had, and turned their backs on their country and constitution. They didn't even sell their souls, they just handed them over to their new Dictator, including what little minds they may have once possessed. Disturbing to watch the Trump Party followers also are okay with kneeling in front of Mr. Putin every day, what the hell is this country becoming? :twisted:

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Wow. Thats really, really stupid. It would even be an insult to trolls to call it trolling.
 
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