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    Re: Lev Parnas is now Trump's worst nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by veritas1 View Post
    OPINIONS are hearsay. They are NOT evidence. The Dems presented ONE witness with firsthand evidence and that was Sondland and he exonerated Trump. It's over man. Only you people hopelessly marinating in your Trump hate don't realize it.
    Wow, it amazing how much information you willfully ignore to come up with your opinion.

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    Re: Lev Parnas is now Trump's worst nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    Tonight's explosive interview of Lev Parnas by Rachel Maddow, exposes the fact that William Barr, David Nunes, two fox news lawyer pundits, The president, and others, conspired to use the help of Dimitri Firtash ( under house arrest in Vienna, who is paying Guiliani, Parnas and the fox news lawyer/pundits hundreds of thousands of dollars ) a russian mobster billionare, to get dirt to discredit the Mueller investigation in exchange for getting the DOJ case against him dropped, conspired to get Yovanovich fired ( noting that Parnas witnessed Trump firing her ) because she was trying to get the funds released sans quid pro quo, conspired to put the squeeze on Zelensky to announce that he was going to investigate the Bidens lest America, not only withhold the military aid promised, but any and all help from America, and to drive that point home Mike Pense's planned trip to attend Zelensky's inauguration was cancelled, ( the point of which was to prove to Zelensky and aids that Parnas was, indeed, someone to listen to, who had been enlisted to represent Trump and Guiliani ).

    So, Nunes, Barr, Guiliani, Pence, Trump, and others, were all in on this conspiracy to shake down Ukraine to help Trump's reelection bid by tainting Biden with the Zelensky announcement that he is "under investigation for corruption". …
    After the repeated TDS faceplant failures as exposed by the Mueller and Horowitz reports one would think the latest delusion would be tempered by prior embarrassments - nope, here we are again with a story that started to fall apart the moment the interview was over.

    Example A

    Observers quickly noted Parnas's changing stories and failure to line up with the FBI indictment. In November 2019, associates of Parna's said he spoke to them of having privately with Trump in late 2018, at a Hanukah party, about Ukraine, and that he was tasked by "the big guy" with a secret "James Bond" type mission to get the Bidens.

    Now he says (to the NYT) he has never spoken directly with Trump about the Ukraine, but has been in a room where Giuliani and Trump were conversing over a phone.

    Example B

    He denied he ever worked on behalf of any Ukrainian officials

    His federal indictment, however, explicitly said he was working on behalf of a Ukrainian official long before the Biden's came up (May or June of 2018), who wanted the Ukraine ambassador out of a job. In other words, Parna's agenda to remove the US ambassador was far older than Trump's interest or the Bidens (and makes one wonder who this official was and why he wanted her shipped home).

    Example C

    He claimed Nunes met with Shokin, the former prosecutor fired.

    Nunes vehemently denies it and is suing the reporter to published Parnas accusation. (A source close to Shoken has also denies it.)

    Example D

    Parnas has previously said he met Trump at a Super-PAC in mid 2018 and informed Trump that the ambassador was bad news, causing Trump to want to get rid of her. Nothing was said about the Biden's at that dinner.

    Here's the problem: Parnas is more than a crook trying to mitigate his prosecution, he's a contradictory show-boater whose been caught in so many conflicting assertions and screwed up dates that he is a joke.

    So this is the "smoking gun"?

    More like an empty water pistol, methinks.
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    Re: Lev Parnas is now Trump's worst nightmare

    OK so here is the problem with Lev as a witness. I need to hear more "he had to know" testimony like I need a hole in the head.

    Pence: "He had to know." Really, how is it that Pence had to know? Pence is the most uncurious person I have ever seen. I have seen 2x4's with more curiosity. Did you talk to him Lev? When, do you have any documentation?
    Barr: "He had to know" Really, how is it that Barr had to know Lev? Did you talk with him directly? Meet him, confer with him? Do you have the records of such communications.

    The things Lev can document that can be corroborated are worthwhile evidence. So the documents, the phone records are good stuff. Other than that, he is just a spurned Trumplette now, a donor that tried to wedge himself into the Trump orbit and got used for his trouble. There are more credible witnesses that have offered testimony to virtually everything Lev can testify to. But the phone records and documents were secured by SDNY, and Lev had to get them back from SDNY. So that stuff can be very valuable. Its not been fabricated by Lev.

    We need people to testify that get us closer to Trump, not father away. We need Bolton, Mulvaney, Duffey, Blair at least and only after that Lev might be useful. In fact, now that we have the Rudy letter to Zalinsky, Rudy does finally become a worthy target as a witness AND then Lev. But to leave Lev hung out there in space I doubt gets us anywhere. Interesting TV.
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    Re: Lev Parnas is now Trump's worst nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by KLATTU View Post
    An undated note from a guy indicted on multiple federal charges of fraud and conspiracy who's already fabricated evidence in a desperate attempt to get an immunity deal from Schiff and Pelosi so he can avoid prison? That's the new smoking gun?
    Hmmmmmmm
    When an Administration is up to its arse in criminals and Corruption don't expect to find many Eagle Scouts as Witnesses, noting that many a Hitman has turned State's evidence and put his Crime Boss in jail. Therefore, this idea that Parnas's testimony is not credible because of his indictments is a thin argument because all that's needed is corroboration and with Bolton and all the rest singing the same tune like a chorus in Perfect Harmony, it all fits together whereupon one can draw only one inescapable conclusion that the articles of impeachment are 100% true
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    Re: Lev Parnas is now Trump's worst nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by veritas1 View Post
    And now they're having remorse about not calling Bolton and thinking the Senate should do their work for them. That train has left the station. But, if they want Bolton, then let's have the WB and Schiff testify under oath. They are material witnesses. Maybe Quid Pro Joe and Hunter, too.
    Bolton had already been ordered to ignore any subpoena by Trump under his made up “absolute immunity” doctrine. Courts have not been kind to that assertion so far.

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    Re: Lev Parnas is now Trump's worst nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    After the repeated TDS faceplant failures as exposed by the Mueller and Horowitz reports one would think the latest delusion would be tempered by prior embarrassments - nope, here we are again with a story that started to fall apart the moment the interview was over.

    Example A

    Observers quickly noted Parnas's changing stories and failure to line up with the FBI indictment. In November 2019, associates of Parna's said he spoke to them of having privately with Trump in late 2018, at a Hanukah party, about Ukraine, and that he was tasked by "the big guy" with a secret "James Bond" type mission to get the Bidens.

    Now he says (to the NYT) he has never spoken directly with Trump about the Ukraine, but has been in a room where Giuliani and Trump were conversing over a phone.
    At the time, Parnas was mainly interested in getting the Ambassador fired..so it entirely possible they didn't discuss Ukraine at that Hanukkah party.


    Example B

    He denied he ever worked on behalf of any Ukrainian officials

    His federal indictment, however, explicitly said he was working on behalf of a Ukrainian official long before the Biden's came up (May or June of 2018), who wanted the Ukraine ambassador out of a job. In other words, Parna's agenda to remove the US ambassador was far older than Trump's interest or the Bidens (and makes one wonder who this official was and why he wanted her shipped home).
    The official was likely the former Ukraine prosecutor, Lutsenko. He wanted the Ambassador out because she supported NABU. Parnas introduced Giuliani to both Lutsenko and Shokin over Skype sometime in November or December 2018. Giuliani immediately invited both Shokin and Lutsenko to his home in NY. In January 2019, Lutsenko met with Giuliani in NY..but Shokin couldn't make it because his visa was denied by the US embassy in Ukraine. The embassy refused his visa because he was under investigation for corruption by NABU.


    Example C

    He claimed Nunes met with Shokin, the former prosecutor fired.

    Nunes vehemently denies it and is suing the reporter to published Parnas accusation. (A source close to Shoken has also denies it.)
    There are congressional travel records that show Nunes and three of his aides, including Derek Harvey, traveled to Europe on Nov. 30 to Dec. 3, 2018...to reportedly to meet with Shokin in Vienna. Parnas helped to arrange the meeting with Shokin. Shortly after Dec. 3, Harvey met with Parnas at the Trump's hotel in DC, where according to Parnas's lawyer, Joseph Brody, they discussed claims about the Bidens as well as allegations of Ukraine election interference.

    Example D

    Parnas has previously said he met Trump at a Super-PAC in mid 2018 and informed Trump that the ambassador was bad news, causing Trump to want to get rid of her. Nothing was said about the Biden's at that dinner.

    Here's the problem: Parnas is more than a crook trying to mitigate his prosecution, he's a contradictory show-boater whose been caught in so many conflicting assertions and screwed up dates that he is a joke.

    So this is the "smoking gun"?
    Well, on April 30, 2018, Parnas did meet with Trump at an exclusive dinner held by America First Super Pac at the Trump International hotel in DC...and he did tell Trump that he thought "the Ambassador to Ukraine was unfriendly to the president and his interests." And Trump immediately declared that the ambassador should be fired...and that's when the smear campaign against her began.

    Trump didn't really start worrying about Biden until early August 2018, after he read an Axios article that said "Trump fears Biden" and then a few days later he saw a Politico/Morning Consult poll that showed Biden could beat him by a wide margin. Shortly after that Giuliani introduced Nunes to Parnas. They had at least two phone calls where Nunes told Parnas that his assistant, Derek Harvey would act as their designated immediary. Then in November 2018, Parnas helped to arrange meetings and calls in Europe for Nunes and aides...to meet with Shokin.
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    Re: Lev Parnas is now Trump's worst nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston View Post
    Maddow doesn't have a great track record either. When I heard he went on Maddow I was apprehensive to say the least.
    He went on Anderson Cooper as well.
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    Re: Lev Parnas is now Trump's worst nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Yeah, in the Kremlin.
    It took place in the US -- not Russia. Read better.

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    Re: Lev Parnas is now Trump's worst nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    When an Administration is up to its arse in criminals and Corruption don't expect to find many Eagle Scouts as Witnesses, noting that many a Hitman has turned State's evidence and put his Crime Boss in jail. Therefore, this idea that Parnas's testimony is not credible because of his indictments is a thin argument because all that's needed is corroboration and with Bolton and all the rest singing the same tune like a chorus in Perfect Harmony, it all fits together whereupon one can draw only one inescapable conclusion that the articles of impeachment are 100% true
    That is the most interesting though not unexpected aspect of the Lev Interviews: The President's desire and interest in sending thugs to do the State Depts. job.

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    Re: Lev Parnas is now Trump's worst nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Tangmo View Post
    Your underestimate reflects the fact your IQ is indeed abysmal.

    On a par with Trump himself.

    Your hero.

    After all, without Trump you who are the Putin-Trump Rowers have nothing, due to your primary loyalty is to Putin the Leader. You lose Trump, you lose Putin Your Master. .
    The only people terminally and hopelessly obsessed with Putin are the left. IOW people just like YOU. You've been obsessed with him ever since Trump won the election and now try to project your psychosis onto normal people. You should get help.

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