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    Re: Did you know that aborted fetuses are used in the making of many vaccines?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    Since they are a risk, even small, it is my view that vaccinations cannot be forced.
    That's a BS argument. By the same logic, nothing should be ever forced. Because there is always some small risk.

    E.g.
    - we should never force people go to prison because there is always some small risk they could actually be innocent.
    - we should never force people to pay taxes because there is always some small risk they may overpay.
    - we should never force people to take driving tests for a driver's license because there is always some small risk they may crash and die while doing so.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    The only people risking your children are those with infectious diseases, which occur in all classes people, vaccinated and unvaccinated.

    There is no proof that vaccinations make your child healthier than non vaccinated.
    Sorry, wrong again. There is plenty of proof but apparently you refuse to follow the science. Here is just one link to help.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    History is replete with outbreaks in highly vaccinated populations.
    Which means absolutely nothing. For the most part vaccines help, and do so significantly and without shadow of a doubt, but they do not eradicate something completely. So, there will always be some examples where outbreaks are still possible. Further some outbreaks are simply on a different strain. E.g. flu vaccines protect you from strains A and B but not C. If you get the flu after the vaccine, you may claim it did not work. But it did - you might have gotten strain C.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    historical stats show that vaccines were introduced long after a couple of centuries of decline, and the diseases were on their way out, anyway, noting that right alongside those decline stats, are diseases for which there are no vaccines, and thus the "proof" for their effectiveness is thin
    Wrong. See link above again. Studies show significant dropoffs in vaccinated populations, way faster that the slow declines you allude to.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    I'm not into hysteria, I'm into hard DATA.
    Really? Well, here is some data for you then:

    vaccines_work.jpg
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    Re: Did you know that aborted fetuses are used in the making of many vaccines?

    More information on the two fetuses in question:

    News & Views: Why Were Fetal Cells Used to Make Certain Vaccines? | Children's Hospital of Philadelphia

    One was male, the other female, and had they not been aborted they would likely be in their mid or late 50's today. Their cells were cultured and the cell line kept going. In effect, vaccines are used today with the 'descendants' of these two fetuses's cells.

    The male's line is known as MRC-5, and is used today in Hep A, chickenpox and shingles vaccines. The female's line is called WI-38 and is used in polio, rubella and rabies vaccines.

    The female fetus's father was known to drink and had been in prison, but was otherwise in good health.

    Yuck.
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    Re: Did you know that aborted fetuses are used in the making of many vaccines?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slavister View Post
    That's a BS argument. By the same logic, nothing should be ever forced. Because there is always some small risk.

    E.g.
    - we should never force people go to prison because there is always some small risk they could actually be innocent.
    - we should never force people to pay taxes because there is always some small risk they may overpay.
    - we should never force people to take driving tests for a driver's license because there is always some small risk they may crash and die while doing so.
    You don't inject prisons into your body.
    You don't inject money into your body.
    You don't inject automobiles into your body.

    Therefore, specious reasoning. Forced vaccinations is tyranny. Who owns your body, the state, or you?

    I'm not say no to vaccinations, I'm saying they shouldn't be forced.

    The "stats" you present are based on relative comparisons.

    The absolute values will paint an entirely different picture.

    For example, on the average, the CDC reports that the flu vax is 67% effective.

    However, the absolute values, they don't report, which are, on the average, 7 in 100 get the flu if not vaccinated,
    and about 2 in 100 get the flu if vaccinated, and these vary from one year to the next, and with senior citizens, this average does not hold, they are much less effictive.

    That's in improvement of 5 points, which has a different meaning than saying they are 67% effective.

    The Toxic Science of Flu Vaccines - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

    The decline in diseases for which there are no vaccines have declined in proportion to the diseases for which there are vaccines.

    The decline of these diseases was on a long downward slope before the vaccines were introduced.

    If they are effective, the decline rate will show an acceleration. It shows that with measles, but only one in 10,000 die from measles.

    While so-called vaccine preventable diseases are decline, and they were declining a century or two before the introduction of vaccines:
    kids today are sicker than when I was a kid
    We're getting sicker: More Americans have a chronic health condition - Vitals

    Young Americans Are Sicker Than Ever | Psychology Today

    Children Sicker Now Than in Past, Harvard Report Says (Update1) - Bloomberg

    Currently ( this is as of a couple of years ago, it's probably worse by now )

    1 in 9 has asthma
    1 in 10 has ADHD
    1 in 12 has food allergies
    1 in 20 has seizures
    1 in 45 boys have autism
    1 in 68 children have autism

    So whatever vaccines are doing, one thing they are NOT doing is making kids healthier .

    These are your vaccine makers:
    Fraud

    List of largest pharmaceutical settlements - Wikipedia

    Merck Hit With Antitrust Class Action Over Vaccine Data - Law360

    Merck to Pay $950 Million in Vioxx Settlement - WSJ

    GlaxoSmithKline to Plead Guilty and Pay $3 Billion to Resolve Fraud Allegations and Failure to Report Safety Data | OPA | Department of Justice

    conflicts of interests
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...1126053/#ref15


    Please take a moment and listen to the testimonies of parents of vaccine injured children.

    http://tinyurl.com/owflz8k

    Excuse me if I do not Trust the data coming from the vaccine promoting community who are backed by big pharma, noted above.
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    Re: Did you know that aborted fetuses are used in the making of many vaccines?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rickeroo View Post
    More information on the two fetuses in question:

    News & Views: Why Were Fetal Cells Used to Make Certain Vaccines? | Children's Hospital of Philadelphia

    One was male, the other female, and had they not been aborted they would likely be in their mid or late 50's today. Their cells were cultured and the cell line kept going. In effect, vaccines are used today with the 'descendants' of these two fetuses's cells.

    The male's line is known as MRC-5, and is used today in Hep A, chickenpox and shingles vaccines. The female's line is called WI-38 and is used in polio, rubella and rabies vaccines.

    The female fetus's father was known to drink and had been in prison, but was otherwise in good health.

    Yuck.
    Is it true that there are vaccines produced using aborted fetuses? | Bioethics Research Library
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    Re: Did you know that aborted fetuses are used in the making of many vaccines?

    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    Yes, by all means put yourself at risk to catching something that can cripple or kill you. That said you are responsible for your child's welfare and if harm comes to them due to your actions you should be held responsible to the fullest extent of the law
    And if the dangers were limited to just their kids, then perhaps it could be excused as some Darwinism mechanism. The problem is that when people start not vaccinating, they start putting others at risk as well. I don't think that society should be held hostage by anti-science fanatics.
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    Re: Did you know that aborted fetuses are used in the making of many vaccines?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    You don't inject prisons into your body.
    You don't inject money into your body.
    You don't inject automobiles into your body.
    Not relevant. I gave you an analogy to your way of thinking that if there is a small chance of something bad happening to you, you should not be forced to do anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    Therefore, specious reasoning. Forced vaccinations is tyranny. Who owns your body, the state, or you?
    Noone is actually physically forcing you to do this. But we as a society don't want you unvaccinated kids near ours. You can keep them at home or private schools that don't require vaccinations, if there are some.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    The "stats" you present are based on relative comparisons.

    The absolute values will paint an entirely different picture.

    For example, on the average, the CDC reports that the flu vax is 67% effective.

    However, the absolute values, they don't report, which are, on the average, 7 in 100 get the flu if not vaccinated,
    and about 2 in 100 get the flu if vaccinated, and these vary from one year to the next, and with senior citizens, this average does not hold, they are much less effictive.

    That's in improvement of 5 points, which has a different meaning than saying they are 67% effective.
    I am sorry but you really need to think this through.

    The only reason "only" 7-in-100 get the flue if not vaccinated is BECAUSE other people around them tend to be vaccinated. Do you have any idea how many people died from flue before vaccine was developed?

    I have to run but may get back to rest of your post later, though I am not sure I want to spend too much time on refuting non-peer-reviewed crap for fear mongering.

    My family member went into comma when a young child after a vaccine. They are now the biggest proponent of vaccines because she is now a Dr and knows the science behind them. Your testimonials are not science.

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    Re: Did you know that aborted fetuses are used in the making of many vaccines?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    If you are religious, then you must object to vaccines that use aborted fetuses in the making of them, and demand a religious exemption for those vaccines.
    That is already a thing.

    There are people on the left who are anti-vaxxers because they are as essentially anti-science as the AGW deniers, and then there are various religious objections. Some people won't even take a lifesaving blood transfusion.

    The lattermost: natural selection.

    But **** anti-vaxxers unless they have a legitimate medical reason. They endanger all of us.





    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    I"ve been thoroughly vaccinated when I was in the Navy.

    Thing is, a friend of mine's daughter went into anaphylactic shock immediately following an HPV vax and began to experience
    seizures to which she still suffers.

    Therefore, I'm against mandatory vaccinations, but I'm not against vaccinations in principle.
    Those are two single anecdotes. They do not form a basis for anything.

    And if something in a vaccine really did cause shock, it would not be the cells used to inoculate. One could always do an allergy test for all other components if one wanted to be very careful.
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    Re: Did you know that aborted fetuses are used in the making of many vaccines?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    Did you know that many states are removing the 'religious exemption' for vaccinations?


    If you are religious, then you must object to vaccines that use aborted fetuses in the making of them, and demand a religious exemption for those vaccines.


    Proof?

    Here ya go....


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    Re: Did you know that aborted fetuses are used in the making of many vaccines?


    This is an overly and falsely sensationalized piece of nonsense.
    Yes, a handful of fetuses were used decades ago but your post and most of this thread seems to create a false scenario where an assembly line of millions of aborted fetuses are .... are .... WHAT, ground up into paste and spurted into test tubes or something?

    Yeah right, a handful of fetuses, likely ones that would not have even survived, had their cells harvested, and the cell lines continue to this day, not unlike a grandmother who keeps a line of yeast going for decades for baking purposes.

    This kind of troll bait tactic is beneath you, or at least, I thought it was.
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    Re: Did you know that aborted fetuses are used in the making of many vaccines?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    Did you know that many states are removing the 'religious exemption' for vaccinations?


    If you are religious, then you must object to vaccines that use aborted fetuses in the making of them, and demand a religious exemption for those vaccines.


    Proof?

    Here ya go....


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    Are you aware of the history behind those fetuses? They are more than 50 years old, before the Roe decision, and older than the mothers and possibly grandmothers.

    Several common vaccines are made by growing the necessary viruses in fetal embryo fibroblast cells. These cells originally came from tissue obtained from two fetuses that were legally and electively aborted in the early 1960s. The same cells have continued to grow in a laboratory and are still used to make vaccines today. No additional fetal cells have been harvested since then, but the topic is controversial because of the original source.
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