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Trumps defense?

GDViking said:
You may be right, however if they do not remove him that sets a precedent that his rediculous claim that a president has complete immunity.

That is tearing up the Constitution and turning our republic into a monarchy.

I hope these Republicans realize the importance of these proceedings...
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None of that is even remotely true. This unhinged, End Times hyperbole doesnt help your cause in the slightest.
 
AGENT J said:
I think its the wrong move not to remove him for obstruction of congress but i dont know about "precedent" being set it just is what it is and its what the system allows unforuntatley.
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If trump gets away with just telling congress to go **** themselves, then any future president is free to do the same...
 
Craig234 said:
Protecting the sovereignity of nations by helping Ukraine oppose Russia's invasion helps the US national security.
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Ok. But that is laos a foreign policy issue of which the president is allowed to determine.

The coercion was withholding the aid Ukraine needed
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The aid wasn't withheld.

The sham was the lie that there was a Biden crime needing investigation,
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Again, that's a determination that the president is allowed to make-- its part of the job.
And, yet again, there was never an investigation.
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GDViking said:
How did the Mueller report blow up?

It not only proved that not only did Russia interfere in our election, they did it with trumps blessings and assistance.

Not to mention the ten counts of obstruction that he will be charged with as soon as he leaves office...
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How come all of that supposed obstruction wasnt part of the impeachment articles? Ill tell you why. Its because the House dems knew it was garbage. They just told you it wasnt and you fell for it.
 
GDViking said:
If trump gets away with just telling congress to go **** themselves, then any future president is free to do the same...
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but that can be the case anyway, trump could not get away with it and the next president could. thats why im saying its how it works, unfortunately . . .i dont agree but just saying . .
 
Piglet said:
From what I understand, Biden made the comment on video that he forced the firing of the prosecutor. If that's correct, it's highly suspicious because his son, Hunter, was being prosecuted at that time.
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His son, Hunter was NOT being investigated much less prosecuted. Stop lying. It's fine to be suspicious - but then look into it and you find Biden did nothing wrong.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... how does that "solid evidence" require any further witnesses or documentation?
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Because the corrupt Republicans have already said they will acquit, and they haven't even heard from many key witnesses.

Also we have far more Information now then we did then making the witness list far longer.

American people deserve to know the truth, why are Republicans sooo determined to keep it from them???
 
GDViking said:
That's only because trump got caught and you know it.
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I don know any such thing. If thats what you think then the whistle blower blew his whistle a little too soon.
 
Fletch said:
How did Hunter wind up on the board of Barisma? and what sort of work did he do to earn a million dollar salary? You dont know and you dont care. Now if his name were Hunter Trump you would be in full meltdown mode.
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Why trumps kids are in the Whitehouse, a d they couldn't get a security clearance to take the tour.

Kushner received a one billion dollar bailout from Saudi Arabia, while sitting as the middle East advisor.

Tell me again how Hunter making 250,000 a year is even In that ball park...
 
Craig234 said:
His son, Hunter was NOT being investigated much less prosecuted. Stop lying. It's fine to be suspicious - but then look into it and you find Biden did nothing wrong.
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Holy smoke! Trump has been impeached because he PROPOSED that this be investigated.
Now we are arguing that it would have been ok to actually investigate it?
 
Athanasius68 said:
He was absolutely within his right to withhold the aid.
Being a candidate for president does not immunize one against being investigated.

And of course, the aid was never was withheld, and Biden was never investigated.
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The aid absolutely was withheld and under trumps personal orders, as all of the Duffy emails prove beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Which is why Duffy needs to be called as a witness...
 
GDViking said:
The aid absolutely was withheld and under trumps personal orders, as all of the Duffy emails prove beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Which is why Duffy needs to be called as a witness...
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Ukraine received the aid.
No investigation required.
 
GDViking said:
With all the evidence against him and more coming out every day what could trumps lawyers possibly be planning to try to defend him?

Or are they just assuming the fix is in?
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If Trump had seen the video of Biden bragging how he forced Ukraine to fire a Prosector, or Ukraine would not get the $billion, Biden's braggadocios confession would be a valid excuse to investigate. Biden has a habit of slipping up and this may have been an ill timed slip up of the facts. It would be in the na†tonal interest to ask Ukraine to verify Biden's Claim since this is a sensitive situation.

Biden also implicated Obama, according to his confession, when he told the Ukrainian Officials to call Obama to verify that Biden had the authority. Well, by golly, they fired the Prosecutor, implying Obama participated in a quid pro quo. Since quid pro quo is sufficient reason to impeach a president, according to the Democrats, if Biden did of this he cannot run for president since he would need to be impeached for what the Democrats have told us is grounds for impeachment.

If I was Trump's defense team, I would play the Biden video for everyone in the Senate Hall and in front of the TV cameras so the American public can also see. Many Democrats have denied seeing it or have denied the claims Biden made. This will set the record straight. Then the defense can make the case, since quid pro quo is so bad according to the Democrats, this video became a valid lead for a crime, that required the President speak with Ukraine. It implicated the top of the US government and only President had the power to see it through without road blocks.

I would stop the video at the part where Biden implicates Obama and say this part of Biden's confession means we need to be call Obama as a witness. We can play than part, a bunch of times, until the Democrats smell the coffee and use their power of reason. I would also call in the Ukrainian Officials who were in the middle of this. Maybe we would have to impeach Obama, after the fact, so his official record now shows impeachment, in the future.

As an alternative, I would call in the IG who was in charge of the Whistle Blower and ask why he changed the Whistle Blower complaint form to allow third hand gossip, instead of use the original form which specified a whistle blower needed first hand evidence. Was this a mistake that opened a can of worms, or was this planned as part of a conspiracy? The defense may need to dig. This is how you shift the focus of impeachment back to the accusers. Schiff is a habitual liar and he will fall into a perjury trap. Or maybe they can do both at the same time, since the trial will take weeks.
 
Craig234 said:
Protecting the sovereignity of nations by helping Ukraine oppose Russia's invasion helps the US national security.
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Except no such thing happened. Rather, the Obama Administration, along with the EU, funded and arranged the ouster of duly elected Ukrainian president that led to the Crimea seceding and voting to join Russia. When that happened, the world became a little less safe, and the United States began a mini Cold War with Russia. If Trump's diplomacy can help right that wrong, it's all good.


The coercion was withholding the aid Ukraine needed.
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Except the Ukraine didn't know any aid was being withheld and no one told them they needed to investigation the Biden thing in order to get the aid.

The sham was the lie that there was a Biden crime needing investigation, and any excuse why the aid was withheld.
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The American people need to know why Biden was able to threaten the Ukraine into firing their prosecutor? They need to know why Biden felt he had the right to meddle in their affairs.


Why don't you read once in a while and not need to ask such basic things?
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I sure as heck don't want to read the same sources you're reading -- because you just put forth a good deal of fake news.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Holy smoke! Trump has been impeached because he PROPOSED that this be investigated.
Now we are arguing that it would have been ok to actually investigate it?
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I believe that's exactly what happened. And what kind of precedent will that set for future presidents?
 
Craig234 said:
His son, Hunter was NOT being investigated much less prosecuted. Stop lying. It's fine to be suspicious - but then look into it and you find Biden did nothing wrong.
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No one has "looked into it" yet, but that's coming.
 
Piglet said:
From what I understand, Biden made the comment on video that he forced the firing of the prosecutor. If that's correct, it's highly suspicious because his son, Hunter, was being prosecuted at that time.
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Again that is a lie, the investigation into barisma ended months before that.

Besides Biden had no authority to withhold anything he was following the orders of the president.
 
Piglet said:
Again, speculative, Biden will only become Trump's opponent if he wins the nomination.
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False.

Anyone who is accused has the right to face their accuser, but certainly a sitting president should have that right because he's in office as a result of the nation's election process, meaning he is the current "voice of the people."
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The whistleblower isn't trump's accuser. The House prosecutors are. They're using evidence from witnesses who trump had every opportunity to cross-examine.
 
Piglet said:
No one has "looked into it" yet, but that's coming.
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What's the probable cause to investigate? Asked you already, and you had no answer.
 
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