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Everyone in America, basically, is for 'small government'. It's more propaganda to get votes

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The Soviets had 'big government'. Mao was 'big government'. Basically no one in the US wants that 'big government'.

Everyone in the US wants 'small government', but they have different definitions. And almost everyone wants 'big government' by someone else's standard.

There are 'radical libertarians' who would end practically all taxes and practically all government sending, that less than one percent of the country agree with. Everyone else is 'big government' compared to them.

What, actually, is 'big government'? Many people think they know as they point their fingers at things they don't like.

For some, it's a vague notion of too many, too large government agencies filled with unneeded, overpaid bureaucrats creating too many rules - a mostly emotional definition.

For others, it's programs that reduce poverty and create opportunity.

One of those was Reagan, who argued that if Medicare was created so the elderly had healthcare, it would end freedom in America. Not many agree with that today.

For others, it's the government reducing discrimination - for example, outlawing segregation in public facilities. It's 'big government' to tell a business they can't ban black people.

For others, it's the bloated military budget and military hegemony globally with several hundred military bases.

For others, it's any 'foreign aid' the country gives, no matter how much that aid is actually used to increase American power and is returned to American corporations (a la the 'Economic Hit Man' story).

For others, it's a powerful 'security state', such as illegal wire taps and other monitoring of the American people, such as Bush did, with the support of a lot of self-described 'small government' advocates.

For others, it's the government enabling and helping cause the massively powerful corporate environment we have, corporations over the people.

But basically everyone in America sees some sorts of 'big government' as bad, and supports other types of 'big government'.

So without definition, the phrase becomes not only meaningless, but a dishonest emotional appeal - it 'sounds good' to people and is used to get their support for certain partisans, much like they sell 'fiscal conservatism' or the destruction of our constitution by judges they say follow 'original intent' because that sounds good, accuracy not important.

That's the real purpose of the phrase - to take a phrase everyone supports in some way, and try to say it only applies to your group, that you own 'small government' as a cause and get votes with it, but then define it as convenient to fit your quite possibly corrupt agenda.

Ironically, now, even in a place there is 'big government', China, it's helping them become the future dominant country in the world, the leader in the industries in the future including Quantum computing, Green Energy, and Artificial Intelligence, and global investment, while the US does not invest in those industries in the name of 'small government'. It'll make us smaller, as our economy and power suffer.
 
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Just because Republicans appear to have lost all sense of fiscal responsibility does not mean fiscal conservatives don't exist.
 
Liberals aren't for limited government. That's the problem.
 
I am for fiscal responsibility and efficiency.

Both are lacking with Democrats and the Republicans.
 
The Soviets had 'big government'. Mao was 'big government'. Basically no one in the US wants that 'big government'.

Everyone in the US wants 'small government', but they have different definitions. And almost everyone wants 'big government' by someone else's standard.

There are 'radical libertarians' who would end practically all taxes and practically all government sending, that less than one percent of the country agree with. Everyone else is 'big government' compared to them.

What, actually, is 'big government'? Many people think they know as they point their fingers at things they don't like.

For some, it's a vague notion of too many, too large government agencies filled with unneeded, overpaid bureaucrats creating too many rules - a mostly emotional definition.

For others, it's programs that reduce poverty and create opportunity.

One of those was Reagan, who argued that if Medicare was created so the elderly had healthcare, it would end freedom in America. Not many agree with that today.

For others, it's the government reducing discrimination - for example, outlawing segregation in public facilities. It's 'big government' to tell a business they can't ban black people.

For others, it's the bloated military budget and military hegemony globally with several hundred military bases.

For others, it's any 'foreign aid' the country gives, no matter how much that aid is actually used to increase American power and is returned to American corporations (a la the 'Economic Hit Man' story).

For others, it's a powerful 'security state', such as illegal wire taps and other monitoring of the American people, such as Bush did, with the support of a lot of self-described 'small government' advocates.

For others, it's the government enabling and helping cause the massively powerful corporate environment we have, corporations over the people.

But basically everyone in America sees some sorts of 'big government' as bad, and supports other types of 'big government'.

So without definition, the phrase becomes not only meaningless, but a dishonest emotional appeal - it 'sounds good' to people and is used to get their support for certain partisans, much like they sell 'fiscal conservatism' or the destruction of our constitution by judges they say follow 'original intent' because that sounds good, accuracy not important.

That's the real purpose of the phrase - to take a phrase everyone supports in some way, and try to say it only applies to your group, that you own 'small government' as a cause and get votes with it, but then define it as convenient to fit your quite possibly corrupt agenda.

Ironically, now, even in a place there is 'big government', China, it's helping them become the future dominant country in the world, the leader in the industries in the future including Quantum computing, Green Energy, and Artificial Intelligence, and global investment, while the US does not invest in those industries in the name of 'small government'. It'll make us smaller, as our economy and power suffer.

So much power has been taken from the states, and new bureaucracies created because of it. Most of them distributing tax dollars to one crony group to another depending on who is in charge.
 
Just because Republicans appear to have lost all sense of fiscal responsibility does not mean fiscal conservatives don't exist.


They just don't exist among Republicans.
 
Liberals aren't for limited government. That's the problem.



And that Republicans expand government in greater outlay of dollars than "liberal" Dems are FOR limited govt makes perfect sense of your claim. How more idiotic can you possibly get than your next post?
 
Ironically, now, even in a place there is 'big government', China, it's helping them become the future dominant country in the world,



The government can execute you without a trial in China.
 
Liberals aren't for limited government. That's the problem.

Another moronic statement. THe government blew up the most under republicans. So spare us these typical moronic troll lines that are so easily refuted
 
So much power has been taken from the states, and new bureaucracies created because of it. Most of them distributing tax dollars to one crony group to another depending on who is in charge.



Yeah. Let's keep that power in the state crony groups instead. So much more efficient distributed by 50 different systems.
 
The Soviets had 'big government'. Mao was 'big government'. Basically no one in the US wants that 'big government'.

Everyone in the US wants 'small government', but they have different definitions. And almost everyone wants 'big government' by someone else's standard.

There are 'radical libertarians' who would end practically all taxes and practically all government sending, that less than one percent of the country agree with. Everyone else is 'big government' compared to them.

What, actually, is 'big government'? Many people think they know as they point their fingers at things they don't like.

For some, it's a vague notion of too many, too large government agencies filled with unneeded, overpaid bureaucrats creating too many rules - a mostly emotional definition.

For others, it's programs that reduce poverty and create opportunity.

One of those was Reagan, who argued that if Medicare was created so the elderly had healthcare, it would end freedom in America. Not many agree with that today.

For others, it's the government reducing discrimination - for example, outlawing segregation in public facilities. It's 'big government' to tell a business they can't ban black people.

For others, it's the bloated military budget and military hegemony globally with several hundred military bases.

For others, it's any 'foreign aid' the country gives, no matter how much that aid is actually used to increase American power and is returned to American corporations (a la the 'Economic Hit Man' story).

For others, it's a powerful 'security state', such as illegal wire taps and other monitoring of the American people, such as Bush did, with the support of a lot of self-described 'small government' advocates.

For others, it's the government enabling and helping cause the massively powerful corporate environment we have, corporations over the people.

But basically everyone in America sees some sorts of 'big government' as bad, and supports other types of 'big government'.

So without definition, the phrase becomes not only meaningless, but a dishonest emotional appeal - it 'sounds good' to people and is used to get their support for certain partisans, much like they sell 'fiscal conservatism' or the destruction of our constitution by judges they say follow 'original intent' because that sounds good, accuracy not important.

That's the real purpose of the phrase - to take a phrase everyone supports in some way, and try to say it only applies to your group, that you own 'small government' as a cause and get votes with it, but then define it as convenient to fit your quite possibly corrupt agenda.

Ironically, now, even in a place there is 'big government', China, it's helping them become the future dominant country in the world, the leader in the industries in the future including Quantum computing, Green Energy, and Artificial Intelligence, and global investment, while the US does not invest in those industries in the name of 'small government'. It'll make us smaller, as our economy and power suffer.

LOL. I don't know what planet you are from but even the left in the US acknowledge that they want bigger government.
 
The Soviets had 'big government'. Mao was 'big government'. Basically no one in the US wants that 'big government'.

Everyone in the US wants 'small government', but they have different definitions. And almost everyone wants 'big government' by someone else's standard.

There are 'radical libertarians' who would end practically all taxes and practically all government sending, that less than one percent of the country agree with. Everyone else is 'big government' compared to them.

What, actually, is 'big government'? Many people think they know as they point their fingers at things they don't like.

For some, it's a vague notion of too many, too large government agencies filled with unneeded, overpaid bureaucrats creating too many rules - a mostly emotional definition.

For others, it's programs that reduce poverty and create opportunity.

One of those was Reagan, who argued that if Medicare was created so the elderly had healthcare, it would end freedom in America. Not many agree with that today.

For others, it's the government reducing discrimination - for example, outlawing segregation in public facilities. It's 'big government' to tell a business they can't ban black people.

For others, it's the bloated military budget and military hegemony globally with several hundred military bases.

For others, it's any 'foreign aid' the country gives, no matter how much that aid is actually used to increase American power and is returned to American corporations (a la the 'Economic Hit Man' story).

For others, it's a powerful 'security state', such as illegal wire taps and other monitoring of the American people, such as Bush did, with the support of a lot of self-described 'small government' advocates.

For others, it's the government enabling and helping cause the massively powerful corporate environment we have, corporations over the people.

But basically everyone in America sees some sorts of 'big government' as bad, and supports other types of 'big government'.

So without definition, the phrase becomes not only meaningless, but a dishonest emotional appeal - it 'sounds good' to people and is used to get their support for certain partisans, much like they sell 'fiscal conservatism' or the destruction of our constitution by judges they say follow 'original intent' because that sounds good, accuracy not important.

That's the real purpose of the phrase - to take a phrase everyone supports in some way, and try to say it only applies to your group, that you own 'small government' as a cause and get votes with it, but then define it as convenient to fit your quite possibly corrupt agenda.

Ironically, now, even in a place there is 'big government', China, it's helping them become the future dominant country in the world, the leader in the industries in the future including Quantum computing, Green Energy, and Artificial Intelligence, and global investment, while the US does not invest in those industries in the name of 'small government'. It'll make us smaller, as our economy and power suffer.

A business owner needs employees. He must hire employees to get the work done to produce the product he intends to sell for a profit. He cannot afford to hire workers he does not essentially need without risking the loss of essential profits needed to maintain the business.

The U.S. government is not like that. Government workers are hired, government agencies established, and money is spent without regard to budget limitations. If politicians can convince people they need something the politicians will do what they can to spend what money is needed to provide that something regardless of its cost. A bigger government is not bad as long as the nation can afford to pay for it and it does not undermine the liberties, the rights, and the freedoms of Americans.
 
The government can execute you without a trial in China.

Which is a different area of government than I was discussing, one which we don't like; yet the US government has executed people without a trial at times, and other times unjustly with a trial, as well. Not that I don't think China is a lot worse on THAT. But as I said, you ignored the topic I posted about, the economic benefits of China's 'big government' in future leading industries.
 
Another moronic statement. THe government blew up the most under republicans. So spare us these typical moronic troll lines that are so easily refuted

And that Republicans expand government in greater outlay of dollars than "liberal" Dems are FOR limited govt makes perfect sense of your claim. How more idiotic can you possibly get than your next post?

That doesn't change the fact that Conservatives are in favor of limited government and Liberals are in favor of unlimited government.

I'm thinking you don't understand the difference in the size of the government (big, small) and the extent of governmental power over the private sector (limited, unlimited).

You might want to learn the difference before calling someone a moron, Sampson. Or calling someone an idiot, Bluesmoke. :lamo
 
I'm not sure any reply has yet appreciated the point of the OP, how the phrase "small government" is a propaganda phrase used to get votes by trying to claim an idea basically everyone is in favor of, using different definitions.
 
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