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Domestic Terrorism: Alone Together And Angry: An Incel Revolution

Fletch said:
Doubling down on arrogance and ignorance, I see. Lets see if I can penetrate that skull of yours with some reason. Let me say upfront that I have my doubts, but I have some time to kill so I will give it a shot.

This: The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion does not equal this: our Founders wanted our government be free from any religion.

Thats just basic English comprehension that is failing you here. If you cant see the difference then there is no point in continuing.
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Transcription: Washington's Inaugural Address

"Such being the impressions under which I have, in obedience to the public summons, repaired to the present station; it would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official Act, my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the Universe, who presides in the Councils of Nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that his benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the People of the United States, a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes: and may enable every instrument employed in its administration to execute with success, the functions allotted to his charge. In tendering this homage to the Great Author of every public and private good I assure myself that it expresses your sentiments not less than my own; nor those of my fellow-citizens at large, less than either. No People can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand, which conducts the Affairs of men more than the People of the United States. Every step, by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation, seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency. And in the important revolution just accomplished in the system of their United Government, the tranquil deliberations and voluntary consent of so many distinct communities, from which the event has resulted, cannot be compared with the means by which most Governments have been established, without some return of pious gratitude along with an humble anticipation of the future blessings which the past seem to presage. These reflections, arising out of the present crisis, have forced themselves too strongly on my mind to be suppressed. You will join with me I trust in thinking, that there are none under the influence of which, the proceedings of a new and free Government can more auspiciously commence."

That's from Washington's first inaugural address. There is no question as to the founders intent. Its true we did NOT form the government as a religion, nor did we form the government FROM religion. But to suggest the government was formed without the foundation of Christianity just indicates that people are either trying desperately to prove their own bias...or they are just ignorant.
 
VanceMack said:
You didnt REALLY just write that you believe those are the words of George Washington...did you? I mean...do you even KNOW what was written...by whom...and in what document and context?
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My mistake. Our second president, John Adams, another of our founding fathers, made the statement as part of the Treaty of Tripoli.

The same message applies, regardless. Our country is not founded on any religion.
 
Fletch said:
Doubling down on arrogance and ignorance, I see. Lets see if I can penetrate that skull of yours with some reason. Let me say upfront that I have my doubts, but I have some time to kill so I will give it a shot.

This: The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion does not equal this: our Founders wanted our government be free from any religion.

Thats just basic English comprehension that is failing you here. If you cant see the difference then there is no point in continuing.
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That’s exactly what it means.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
My mistake. Our second president, John Adams, another of our founding fathers, made the statement as part of the Treaty of Tripoli.

The same message applies, regardless. Our country is not founded on any religion.
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Ah...so google DOES provide more than just quotes that confirm bias...

"Never trust what you read on the internet" Abraham Lincoln

What that section of the Treaty of Tripoli does...written to appease Muslim pirates...is panders to a group of people a fledgling nation was trying to enter into a peace and trade treaty with...and nothing more. It wasnt in the original (written in Arabic) nor the initial interpretation of the Arabic document. It was added later. It truly said nothing about the influence of Christianity on the formation of the US and our Constitution and laws. But it DOES affirm the sentiment expressed in the first Amendment. Congress did not establish the country as a religion...did not establish an official federal religion, and protected the free practice of religion.

The phrase was not written by Adams...it was likely written and added by Joel Barlow. The treaty was ratified by the senate, SIGNED by Adams...and then later when the treaty was presented to Tripoli the article was removed. The treaty was nullified almost immediately after being presented to Libya. After attempting to appease the Muslim leaders, they simply upped their demands.
 
VanceMack said:
But to suggest the government was formed without the foundation of Christianity just indicates that people are either trying desperately to prove their own bias...or they are just ignorant.
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Nonsense. Washington’s inaugural speech was intentionally “politically correct”, same as others. Even Trump who, by all accounts, has never been a religious person.

Our government was formed with consideration of all beliefs, and our Constitution clearly states strict prohibitions against any favor being shown to one over another. Christians, or any religion for that matter, do not own the market on decency, tolerance, and respect for others, and have no right to claim our government was founded on their principles/beliefs.
 
VanceMack said:
Ah...so google DOES provide more than just quotes that confirm bias...

"Never trust what you read on the internet" Abraham Lincoln

What that section of the Treaty of Tripoli does...written to appease Muslim pirates...is panders to a group of people a fledgling nation was trying to enter into a peace and trade treaty with...and nothing more. It wasnt in the original (written in Arabic) nor the initial interpretation of the Arabic document. It was added later. It truly said nothing about the influence of Christianity on the formation of the US and our Constitution and laws. But it DOES affirm the sentiment expressed in the first Amendment. Congress did not establish the country as a religion...did not establish an official federal religion, and protected the free practice of religion.

The phrase was not written by Adams...it was likely written and added by Joel Barlow. The treaty was ratified by the senate, SIGNED by Adams...and then later when the treaty was presented to Tripoli the article was removed. The treaty was nullified almost immediately after being presented to Libya. After attempting to appease the Muslim leaders, they simply upped their demands.
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Adams put his signature to the document, therefore it was his assertion.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Try going on a total sex fast. No sex, no masturbation, no porn, after thirty days see how intense your workout is
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I don't work out. Like at all. I'm one of those blessed people who have put on a total of ten pounds since leaving high school despite eating 3 or 4 meals a day slathered in grease and hot sauce. Literally. Today breakfast was arroz con pollo in hot sauce. I'm 38 and I still eat like im 18 and I'm still only 145lbs at 5'7. I honestly feel bad for all you poor bastards. But my superior genetics are not the point. I'm happy you found an outlet for your... intensity, but, and as I admitted earlier i don't work out so maybe this is bad assumptions on my part, but i dont think most people feel a need to deprive themselves sexually in order to get a good work out in. But again, take that with a grain of salt.
 
VanceMack said:
:lamo

ALl you are proving is you know literally nothing about them. Or that you dont like how close to home this all hits for you.
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Some light reading for you.

Many incel communities are characterized by resentment, self-pity,[5] racism, misogyny, misanthropy, and narcissism.[1][9][5][4][27][37][26][36] Discussions often revolve around the belief that men are owed sex; other common topics include idleness, loneliness, unhappiness,[41] suicide, sexual surrogates, prostitutes and the acquisition of sex robots,[42] as well as various attributes they believe increase one's desirability as a partner such as income or personality.[25] Opposition to feminism and women's rights is commonplace, and some posters blame women's liberation for their inability to find a partner. Antisemitic beliefs are also regularly found on incel forums, with some posters going so far as to blame the rise of feminism on a plot masterminded by Jews to weaken the West.[21]
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Fletch said:
I will deny it because it is a false and stupid claim.
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As I said, to deny that White Supremacy in the US has always been closely tied to professed Christianity....is to be either (1) ignorant, or (2) a really bad, brazen liar.

American chatel slavery was rationalized by slave owners and defenders of slave culture for 250 years. Much of the slave trade itself was financially underwritten by white Christian churches and religious organizations. That is all well-documented FACT and is not arguable.

The Civil War was fought over this issue of slavery. Your problem appears to be that, like most right-wingers, you don't READ much (or, you read only for affirmation, not education). So...let me help. Go READ the Declarations of Causes from the Articles of Secession of states like Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, Texas, etc. You'll see, quite explicitly, that preservation (and expansion) of SLAVERY was the overwhelming "declared cause" for the southern states, followed closely by perceived grievances about the refusal of Northern states to enforced the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850. Even the so-called "States Rights" issue (which was cited by other states like Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama, etc.) was clearly defined as the "right" of states to determine the legality of slavery within each state's Articles. Slavery was so intertwined in American Christianity that the enslaved were converted to the faith with a SLAVE BIBLE that was edited to omit passages like the Exodus from Egypt, while emphasizing passages that call for obedience by slaves to their masters (i.e. Ephesians 6, Colossians 3, 1 Peter 2, etc.). Again, NONE of this is arguable.

Jim Crow segregation was justified and, in fact, carried out by white Christians throughout the former Confederate states, not by "atheists". Opposition to Civil Rights...,and Voting Rights for African-Americans was (and still is) the SOLE PROVINCE of White Supremacist many/most of whom profess to be "Christians". And again...this is not arguable.

I could certainly go on and on with FACTS that you cannot refute...but we both know this is not about facts, for people like you. Don't we?


The abolitionist movement was founded and led by devout Christians
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The abolitionists were devout LIBERAL Christians, like me. The slavery movement/Jim Crow movements were CONSERVATIVE Christians who ALWAYS justified slavery as an extension of their Christian faith/beliefs and their interpretations of Scripture. There are mountains of literature to back that up. So let's be clear about one thing: Your side...your ideological forefathers (i.e. social conservatives and fake-"constitutional conservatives") was on the pro-slavery side of that divide, remember?


and perhaps you have forgotten but MLK was first and foremost a reverend.
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:lamo:lamo
Yeah, I am very much aware of that. I come from the same church as MLK. And make no mistake, MLK was, like me, a LIBERAL Christian. The movement he lead took on CONSERVATIVE Christians and their Jim Crow laws (and culture) throughout the South. It's always hilarious (and also a bit disgusting) to see conservative white "Christians" pretending to represent MLK's legacy and beliefs.

So spread your pompous, Christian-hating BS somewhere else.
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Sorry, if there is anything I "hate" it's right-wing FAKE Christians (i.e. Christianists) who try to hide behind the legacies and works of the great LIBERAL Christians in our history.
 
Mashmont said:
Wrong. The overblown 'white supremacy' movement has nothing to do with Christianity.
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White Supremacy is only "overblown" to the angry white alt-right types who practice (or embrace) it. To everyone else, it's a clear and present danger in our society today.

But...I'll say this. You're right, it has nothing to do with authentic Christianity. It DOES, however, have everything to do with the "Christianity" practiced by the Trump-loving Right, these days.

Anybody can claim anything. Hitler claimed his regime was Christian, when it clearly embraced atheism.
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So does Donald Trump.

And yet...fake-@ss Christianists types (ahem!..cough, cough....ahem!) worship him today just as the Nazis worshiped Hitler.
 
ultmd said:
As I said, to deny that White Supremacy in the US has always been closely tied to professed Christianity....is to be either (1) ignorant, or (2) a really bad, brazen liar.

American chatel slavery was rationalized by slave owners and defenders of slave culture for 250 years. Much of the slave trade itself was financially underwritten by white Christian churches and religious organizations. That is all well-documented FACT and is not arguable.

The Civil War was fought over this issue of slavery. Your problem appears to be that, like most right-wingers, you don't READ much (or, you read only for affirmation, not education). So...let me help. Go READ the Declarations of Causes from the Articles of Secession of states like Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, Texas, etc. You'll see, quite explicitly, that preservation (and expansion) of SLAVERY was the overwhelming "declared cause" for the southern states, followed closely by perceived grievances about the refusal of Northern states to enforced the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850. Even the so-called "States Rights" issue (which was cited by other states like Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama, etc.) was clearly defined as the "right" of states to determine the legality of slavery within each state's Articles. Slavery was so intertwined in American Christianity that the enslaved were converted to the faith with a SLAVE BIBLE that was edited to omit passages like the Exodus from Egypt, while emphasizing passages that call for obedience by slaves to their masters (i.e. Ephesians 6, Colossians 3, 1 Peter 2, etc.). Again, NONE of this is arguable.

Jim Crow segregation was justified and, in fact, carried out by white Christians throughout the former Confederate states, not by "atheists". Opposition to Civil Rights...,and Voting Rights for African-Americans was (and still is) the SOLE PROVINCE of White Supremacist many/most of whom profess to be "Christians". And again...this is not arguable.

I could certainly go on and on with FACTS that you cannot refute...but we both know this is not about facts, for people like you. Don't we?




The abolitionists were devout LIBERAL Christians, like me. The slavery movement/Jim Crow movements were CONSERVATIVE Christians who ALWAYS justified slavery as an extension of their Christian faith/beliefs and their interpretations of Scripture. There are mountains of literature to back that up. So let's be clear about one thing: Your side...your ideological forefathers (i.e. social conservatives and fake-"constitutional conservatives") was on the pro-slavery side of that divide, remember?



:lamo:lamo
Yeah, I am very much aware of that. I come from the same church as MLK. And make no mistake, MLK was, like me, a LIBERAL Christian. The movement he lead took on CONSERVATIVE Christians and their Jim Crow laws (and culture) throughout the South. It's always hilarious (and also a bit disgusting) to see conservative white "Christians" pretending to represent MLK's legacy and beliefs.


Sorry, if there is anything I "hate" it's right-wing FAKE Christians (i.e. Christianists) who try to hide behind the legacies and works of the great LIBERAL Christians in our history.
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Oh I forgot. All things good in history are liberal all things bad are conservative. Lol liberal Christians.
 
Fletch said:
Oh I forgot. All things good in history are liberal all things bad are conservative. Lol liberal Christians.
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An inartful dodge from another pseudo-Christian source, no doubt.

The best part about challenging you people is that you don't even read your own Bibles, so you get flustered when an actual Christian smacks you in the face with it (rhetorically speaking, of course). And I can tell that you're one of them.

You're such frauds...and so weak. You're not Christians, you're conservative ideologues who use (i.e. pervert) the Bible to justify yourselves, your social/political views and your behavior :lamo It's been the tool of ignorant racists and bigots for as long as this country has existed.

As for History...the facts are the facts. You know it, and that's why you won't challenge me about it. Your real problem is that you and your ilk really have been on the wrong side of almost every major social/cultural/religious throughout the recorded history of the world. Not everything...but certainly most.

You know it, too.

Face it, a half century ago, you'd have been a segregationist, and I would have been marching with King. Now, today, it's funny to see you people trying to claim the ideological and moral mantles of people like MLK and Lincoln.
 
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Fletch said:
Oh I forgot. All things good in history are liberal all things bad are conservative. Lol liberal Christians.
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Yep...you just defined about 90% of the American leftist males. They are 1 soy latte away from either losing their **** mentally or just going ahead and completing their gender reassignment.


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ultmd said:
An inartful dodge from another pseudo-Christian source, no doubt.

The best part about challenging you people is that you don't even read your own Bibles, so you get flustered when an actual Christian smacks you in the face with it (rhetorically speaking, of course). And I can tell that you're one of them.

You're such frauds...and so weak. You're not Christians, you're conservative ideologues who use (i.e. pervert) the Bible to justify yourselves, your social/political views and your behavior :lamo It's been the tool of ignorant racists and bigots for as long as this country has existed.

As for History...the facts are the facts. You know it, and that's why you won't challenge me about it. Your real problem is that you and your ilk really have been on the wrong side of almost every major social/cultural/religious throughout the recorded history of the world. Not everything...but certainly most.

You know it, too.

Face it, a half century ago, you'd have been a segregationist, and I would have been marching with King. Now, today, it's funny to see you people trying to claim the ideological and moral mantles of people like MLK and Lincoln.
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There isnt one word of that post of yours thats accurate. You havent put forth any facts, you havent shown any knowledge of the Bible. You know nothing about history and even less about me. But that doesnt stop you from spreading your sanctimonious BS. Thats modern liberalism for ya.
 
VanceMack said:
Facts kick your arguments in the ***** hat.





Beta males. Leftists.

You get that.
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Oh dear. Apparently you didn't watch the videos you posted. I did, thanks for wasting my time. The first one is some crazy guy/girl? Can't tell but it's irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The second one backs up precisely what I and the OP were saying: that some right wing losers who can't get laid are turning to terrorism. Not sure why you won't accept this, perhaps you're too close to the problem to view it objectively.
 
Phys251 said:
Why can't these men just adapt? Refusal to adapt to modern times and to personally improve themselves is one of the core lies of the Incel movement.
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It would be great if they would just remove themselves permanently from the gene pool BEFORE harming anyone else.

Same for the white supremacist losers.

Note: these immense dangers to society are, IMO, nearly 95% male.
 
Somerville said:
  1. It is your opinion then that government agencies are inherently unreliable
  3. Incels are not a threat because you believe they aren't threatening, despite the accounts provided in the Texas report.
  5. The report has "Domestic" right in its title - not International.
  7. Your personal opinion on "sexual degeneracy" would include what acts between consenting adults? I know a couple gay guys who definitely project "authentic masculine sexuality" at least as most people would understand it.
  9. It is your opinion then that morality can only be based on Christian faith and tenets?
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The incels and white supremacists are all definitely connected and organized online. They report on incidents, encourage each other, upload their journals and agendas, etc.
 
Mashmont said:
Majority of domestic terrorism deaths have been by Muslims. I assume that's what the OP is complaining about.
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Sources with numbers please.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
The bill of rights does not guarantee access to hardcore pornography

Show me where in the BOR you have a right to watch people having sex on the internet. Because I’m reading the BOR now and I don’t see it
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Where does it give you the right to drive a car? To own livestock? To campaign for your favorite candidate? To download music or movies?
 
Lursa said:
Where does it give you the right to drive a car? To own livestock? To campaign for your favorite candidate? To download music or movies?
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1) it doesn’t, and name me anytime a court has ruled operating a motor vehicle is a constitutional right.

2) it doesn’t.

3) amendment 1

4) well... it doesn’t.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
1) it doesn’t, and name me anytime a court has ruled operating a motor vehicle is a constitutional right.

2) it doesn’t.

3) amendment 1

4) well... it doesn’t.
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And nobody claimed porn or the other things you wrote are 'Constitutional' rights.

But our rights to those things, if we choose, are protected UNDER the Constitution.
 
Lursa said:
And nobody claimed porn or the other things you wrote are 'Constitutional' rights.

But our rights to those things, if we choose, are protected UNDER the Constitution.
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That’s a distinction without a difference. Pronounce tomato the two different ways.

Pornography is neither a constitutional right nor protected by the constitution.
 
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