View Poll Results: If Iran is about to acquire nuclear weapons, should the USA engage in war against them?

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    Re: Poll - War or No War, if Iran is about to acquire nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jean-s View Post
    Unlike Israel, Iran has no interest in having nuclear weapons.
    Iran says it will never build a nuclear weapon | World news | The Guardian
    And the Iranian Regime also said that it was "scientifically impossible" that they shot down Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752.

    If you were to stake your life on the honesty and forthrightness of the Iranian regime, you would be dead many times over daily.
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    Re: Poll - War or No War, if Iran is about to acquire nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jean-s View Post
    Unlike Israel, Iran has no interest in having nuclear weapons.
    Iran says it will never build a nuclear weapon | World news | The Guardian
    Rubbish.
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    Re: Poll - War or No War, if Iran is about to acquire nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    This is a poll with only two options.

    In case Iran appears to be in the brink of acquiring nuclear weapons, such as testing a nuke but still not able to minituarize it for ICBM delivery, but about to complete the whole thing and become capable of delivering the weapon, what should the United States do?

    1. Start a pre-emptive war and blow into pieces all components of Iran's nuclear program, regardless of the costs in American lives and treasury, regardless of collateral damage to civil populations, and regardless of international support by allies or lack thereof. The objective would require a major ground invasion to be able to find and destroy underground structures, there would be lots of American soldiers killed.

    2. Diplomacy, sanctions, international pressure, whatever else but war, even if the efforts show more and more to be ineffective. Avoiding war at all costs, is what this option is, including, letting them be and allowing them to develop freely their nuclear weapons.

    I'm not interested in hearing about intermediate positions like some limited military strikes against them, followed by diplomacy. I'm not interested in conditionals such as "war but only if we have support from a large coalition of allies." This poll is about war or no war, and it's about the United States doing it, even if alone.

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    My own vote is for war. I'm fully aware that it's the same risky path adopted with Iraq, which resulted in a disaster and a quagmire, actually for nothing (it turned out that they didn't even have WMDs). I'm fully aware that pre-emptive wars are rather criminal and I'm not a neocon.

    The reason why in the case of Iran I'd be for the ultimate solution, is that I think it is thoroughly unacceptable for Western countries to live with the risk posed by a nuclear armed Iran. It's much worse than North Korea, because although the North Korean dictator is extremely cruel, he isn't a religious fanatic and his only concern is regime survival.

    In Iran, the regime is concerned about survival as well... but is ALSO concerned about bringing death to the infidels, death to America, death to Israel, all that crap. I'd be afraid that if in the future their regime crumbled due to internal pressures, they'd launch their entire arsenal at Western large cities, just to fulfill what they think is Allah's wish and to go down in a blast of glory, to then go to Muslim Heaven and enjoy their 72 virgins. They'd likely also diffuse their technology and nuclear weapons to other rogue groups and terrorists, who would then attack Westerners by proxy.

    So, for me, I'd prefer diplomacy, but this poll supposes that diplomacy has already failed and their nuclear threat is imminent. In this case (and this case only) if they can be only stopped by war, so be it.

    I think that if we spend trillions in a war and suffer thousands of casualties and inflict hundreds of thousands of casualties, it is still less bad than having nuclear mushrooms on top of Washington DC, New York City, London, Paris, Rome, and Berlin.
    If those are the only two options, yes. We must go to war, preferably with a coalition of allies.

    The alternative will not merely be an Iran with nuclear weapons, but an Iran with nuclear-weapons directly controlling multiple satellite states through their proxies across the Middle East, including Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen. In other words, what we will be faced with is the Iranian version of the Warsaw Pact.

    Just as the Soviet Union became the ultimate guarantor of the security of the satellite states within the pact (or at the very least, the largely-unpopular Communist Party regimes that ruled over them), so too would Iran, over Shia-majority state or States with significant Shia populations. Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps could operate in the open coordinating with the governments of these countries, both propping them up against popular uprisings, as well as forcing them into compliance. It worked for the USSR for upwards of half a century. It could certainly serve the Iranian Regime in a similar manner.
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    Re: Poll - War or No War, if Iran is about to acquire nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Condor060 View Post
    How dim witted would you have to be to believe Iran doesn't want a Nuclear weapon. Weren't they the same ones who denied shooting down the airliner for a week.
    Iranian disinformation agents would have you believe Iran doesn't want nukes.
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    Re: Poll - War or No War, if Iran is about to acquire nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jean-s View Post
    Unlike Israel, Iran has no interest in having nuclear weapons.
    Iran says it will never build a nuclear weapon | World news | The Guardian
    Iran want's nuclear weapons or security, it would be correct to say they have no plans to use nuclear weapons but false to claim they do not want them.

    Nuclear weapons are the ultimate in deterrence, iran is already hard to invade without the invader taking mass casualties, to them nuclear weapons would be seen as a way to prevent an invasion altogether, as no one wants to invade a nation with nukes knowing they will resort to using them if they lose.
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    Re: Poll - War or No War, if Iran is about to acquire nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    And the Iranian Regime also said that it was "scientifically impossible" that they shot down Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752.

    If you were to stake your life on the honesty and forthrightness of the Iranian regime, you would be dead many times over daily.
    They admitted their mistake about shooting down the passenger aircraft. What do you want, blood?

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    Re: Poll - War or No War, if Iran is about to acquire nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    And the Iranians aren't? They haven't lasted this long because of suicidal tendencies.

    In terms of keeping the regime alive the Iranians are pretty rational about it, much like the Norks.
    What part of this, which is in the post you've just quoted, you didn't understand?

    "In Iran, the regime is concerned about survival as well... "

    Yes, they sure are also interested in regime survival, like I just said. But I added, not only. They are also religious fanatics who wish death on the infidels, so IN CASE THEIR REGIME IS ABOUT TO CRUMBLE (and only then) they might decide to go down in a blast of glory.

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    Re: Poll - War or No War, if Iran is about to acquire nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamish Howl View Post
    That's why I'm not bothering.
    Well, OK, but it was intentional. I wanted to see what people think if push comes to shove, if the only options are war or not war. It's like prosecutors who only give two options to the jury, guilty of a major crime like murder, or innocent, without intermediate charges like manslaughter.

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    Re: Poll - War or No War, if Iran is about to acquire nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jean-s View Post
    They admitted their mistake about shooting down the passenger aircraft. What do you want, blood?
    Of the Regime? Yes.

    Death to the Ayatollahs. Death to the Revolutionary Guard Corps. Long live a Free Iran.
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    Re: Poll - War or No War, if Iran is about to acquire nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    Iran want's nuclear weapons or security, it would be correct to say they have no plans to use nuclear weapons but false to claim they do not want them.

    Nuclear weapons are the ultimate in deterrence, iran is already hard to invade without the invader taking mass casualties, to them nuclear weapons would be seen as a way to prevent an invasion altogether, as no one wants to invade a nation with nukes knowing they will resort to using them if they lose.
    North Korean nuclear weapons have stopped Donald Trump from punishing them with more force than the world has ever seen but the Iranians believe nuclear weapons such as the Israelis have and such as were used by only one country in history are un-Islamic.

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