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    Re: Immediate Threat is a Lie!

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    You don't get to say someone didn't answer, when you simply dislike what they said.
    No answers...just reaponses.

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    Re: Immediate Threat is a Lie!

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    President Trump is doing great while his pissant enemies sit on the sidelines and criticize his every move. May God help America if these disgruntled pissants ever take over the US government.
    I see the opposite of "doing great". Then again, this is not about results but about process. Weren't you one of the people complaining about the Democrats not following the proper process to impeach Trump and saying that because the process was wrong that the impeachment was wrong? Now you say the process does not matter, just the results, right?

    Well, you cannot have it both ways. You have to decide whether the process or the results are what counts. If it is the former, then you are wrong about this recent action of Trump and if it is the latter, then you have to get off of complaining about how the Democrats handled the impeachment!

    Choose one!
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    Re: Immediate Threat is a Lie!

    Quote Originally Posted by jnug View Post
    Your propensity for disqualifying yourself from debate is beyond belief....you get the trophy and retire the award!
    ^response...not an answer.

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    Re: Immediate Threat is a Lie!

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    Yeah, and you act as though Obama wasn't one of those idiots. One thing you need to understand is that we don't have 2 political parties. We have one party, and two wings of that party; the corporatist capitalist party, and you're either a social conservative, or you're a social liberal.

    Americans need to understand this fundamental issue with our politics.
    I have never claimed that. The last three presidents have been the WORST presidents of the modern era each in turn worse than his predecessor, each with failings as clear as the nose on their faces. I must have keyed these words a hundred times or more just at this forum.

    There is however more of a fatal flaw in your modern GOP President that is problematic from jump street. They will not resist the temptation of regime change and military conquest. They just cannot stop themselves. Even Bush 41 overtly invaded Panama, wiping out their entire military killing thousands of civilians simply because we did not want to adhere to the terms of the Panama Canal Treaty that we ourselves had created!

    Bush 43 and actually more to the point running amok Chaney and Bolton simply could not resist starting the Iraq War under false pretenses in a bold faced effort to destabilize the ME. Lord knows how frigged in the head one has to be to have worked themselves up to convincing themselves that made any sense. Bush 43 was too weak and dead between the ears to even know what the frig the game was, never mind the score.

    Trump for his part now has more troopers in the ME than when he started entirely contrary to his stated goal and has brought us perilously close to a war that will make the Iraq War look like a fish fry. That said, I can't really put Trump in the category of the typical warmongering GOP President. DonDon exhibits a brand of STUPID that defies party affiliation.
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    Re: Immediate Threat is a Lie!

    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaOmega View Post
    ^response...not an answer.
    Sorry stupidity and a lack of understanding for a debate format is its own answer. You should find the "I think I am smart" forum. Your posting would make much more sense there than in a forum titled "DebatePolitics".

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    Re: Immediate Threat is a Lie!

    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyone View Post
    There is no requirement to consult the Gang of Eight beforehand. The power and responsibility of Commander in Chief is the President's alone. He may choose to seek advice and counsel, or not.
    "Above all, not too much zeal." --Prince Talleyrand

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    Re: Immediate Threat is a Lie!

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    Yeah, and you act as though Obama wasn't one of those idiots. One thing you need to understand is that we don't have 2 political parties. We have one party, and two wings of that party; the corporatist capitalist party, and you're either a social conservative, or you're a social liberal.

    Americans need to understand this fundamental issue with our politics.
    Actually, Obama was not one of "those idiots"

    Here are 28 of President Obama’s biggest accomplishments as President of the United States.

    1 – Rescued the country from the Great Recession, cutting the unemployment rate from 10% to 4.7% over six years

    2 – Signed the Affordable Care Act which provided health insurance to over 20 million uninsured Americans
    and there are 26 more shown in the link.

    By the same token, every president is the same as every human and that means "not perfect". You can always find something one president (or one human being) has done wrong if you look. That is what being human means.

    What is the "red line" for choosing a president (or choosing any person) is whether they have more rights than wrongs.

    It certainly can be pointed (and is done every day on this board) that Trump has done some good things (even though I personally give more credit to Congress than Trump on them) but when everything he has done is put together (immigration, infrastructure, health care, unity, etc), to me his errors and bad things outweigh his good things by a mile. In Obama's case, that is the opposite. He rescued the economy from a major recession, gave health care to 20 million people, he stopped a war, he increased protection of the environment and of people, he was a uniter, and immigration problems under him decreased vs what it was with Bush.

    As such, measuring Obama with Trump, Obama wins by a mile, even though faults can be found in both men.
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    Re: Immediate Threat is a Lie!

    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaOmega View Post
    NOT the question I asked.
    Man up and answer my question honestly.
    I answered. You just dislike my position. I'm not playing your little games, I don't embrace your sickening imperialism.

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    Re: Immediate Threat is a Lie!

    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaOmega View Post
    No answers...just reaponses.
    I answered. Again, sorry, you fail.

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    Re: Immediate Threat is a Lie!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There is no requirement to consult the Gang of Eight beforehand. The power and responsibility of Commander in Chief is the President's alone. He may choose to seek advice and counsel, or not.
    Prove your statement that the War Powers act does not exist or does not apply here!

    Here is the War Powers Act again:

    The War Powers Resolution (also known as the War Powers Resolution of 1973 or the War Powers Act) (50 U.S.C. 1541–1548)[1] is a federal law intended to check the U.S. president's power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of the U.S. Congress.

    If you can't interpret the law, let me say is clearly. Trump cannot generate an armed conflict with another nation without first getting the approval of Congress!
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