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America Today: What the Framers feared

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Atlantic Magazine has a very thought provoking article on the political divide in America and how it was the very thing the Founding Fathers feared could happen.

The Two-Party System Broke the Constitution - The Atlantic

It is a very good read and is extremely though provoking. Here is a tste

For much of American political history, thus, the critique of the two-party system was not that the parties were too far apart. It was that they were too similar, and that they stood for too little. The parties operated as loose, big-tent coalitions of state and local parties, which made it hard to agree on much at a national level.
From the mid-1960s through the mid-’90s, American politics had something more like a four-party system, with liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans alongside liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats. Conservative Mississippi Democrats and liberal New York Democrats might have disagreed more than they agreed in Congress, but they could still get elected on local brands. You could have once said the same thing about liberal Vermont Republicans and conservative Kansas Republicans. Depending on the issue, different coalitions were possible, which allowed for the kind of fluid bargaining the constitutional system requires.

But that was before American politics became fully nationalized, a phenomenon that happened over several decades, powered in large part by a slow-moving post-civil-rights realignment of the two parties. National politics transformed from a compromise-oriented squabble over government spending into a zero-sum moral conflict over national culture and identity. As the conflict sharpened, the parties changed what they stood for. And as the parties changed, the conflict sharpened further. Liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats went extinct. The four-party system collapsed into just two parties

I would strongly urge its entire reading.
 
Atlantic Magazine has a very thought provoking article on the political divide in America and how it was the very thing the Founding Fathers feared could happen.

The Two-Party System Broke the Constitution - The Atlantic

It is a very good read and is extremely though provoking. Here is a tste



I would strongly urge its entire reading.
The only thought The Atlantic ever provoked is "why did I waste my time reading this tripe?" :lamo
 
Washington warned up about the party system in his farewell address, and accurately predicted the current asshole. i'm not convinced that basing a nation's power balance on a two tribe perpetual political war can ever work long term. this is a fundamental flaw, IMO.
 
Atlantic Magazine has a very thought provoking article on the political divide in America and how it was the very thing the Founding Fathers feared could happen.

The Two-Party System Broke the Constitution - The Atlantic

It is a very good read and is extremely though provoking. Here is a tste



I would strongly urge its entire reading.

Wait! Their’s more!

Political science has come a long way since 1787. Had the Framers been able to draw on the accumulated wisdom of today, they would have accepted that it is impossible to have a modern mass democracy without political parties, much as they might have wanted it. Parties make democracy work by structuring politics, limiting policy and voting choices to a manageable number. They represent and engage diffuse citizens, bringing them together for a common purpose. Without political parties, politics turns chaotic and despotic.

Remember, the US was very small back then, and the threats were mostly from Spain and to some degree France. The politucal discourse was about building a military and securing our future. You can’t just turn immigrants loose without demanding they be part of our country. “Different times = different problems”.
 
Thanks for sharing, that is a very good article, really hits the nail on the head...
 
Washington warned up about the party system in his farewell address, and accurately predicted the current asshole. i'm not convinced that basing a nation's power balance on a two tribe perpetual political war can ever work long term. this is a fundamental flaw, IMO.
And Duverger (Duverger's Law) predicted our electoral system would distill to only two parties.
 
Washington warned up about the party system in his farewell address, and accurately predicted the current asshole. i'm not convinced that basing a nation's power balance on a two tribe perpetual political war can ever work long term. this is a fundamental flaw, IMO.

More than 2, less than 6 would probably work the best. People in the middle, would have a much larger roll in governing.
 
The country is working its way to a major one-permanent party state plus one or minor ones.

The demographics favor the Dems.
 
And Duverger (Duverger's Law) predicted our electoral system would distill to only two parties.

that's interesting. i'll admit that this is the first time that i've ever heard of it.
 
that's interesting. i'll admit that this is the first time that i've ever heard of it.
In political science, Duverger's law holds that plurality-rule elections (such as first past the post) structured within single-member districts tend to favor a two-party system, whereas "the double ballot majority system and proportional representation tend to favor multipartism".[1][2]

Source: (Wikipedia) Duverger's Law
 
Atlantic Magazine has a very thought provoking article on the political divide in America and how it was the very thing the Founding Fathers feared could happen.

The Two-Party System Broke the Constitution - The Atlantic

It is a very good read and is extremely though provoking. Here is a tste



I would strongly urge its entire reading.

Good article. I especially agree with the last paragraphs:

Multiparty democracy is not perfect. But it is far superior in supporting the diversity, bargaining, and compromise that the Framers, and especially Madison, designed America’s institutions around, and which they saw as essential to the fragile experiment of self-government.

America has gone through several waves of political reform throughout its history. Today’s high levels of discontent and frustration suggest it may be on the verge of another. But the course of reform is always uncertain, and the key is understanding the problem that needs to be solved. In this case, the future of American democracy depends on heeding the warning of the past. The country must break the binary hyper-partisanship so at odds with its governing institutions, and so dangerous for self-governance. It must become a multiparty democracy.

The two party system is no longer working and one need look no further than the debate stage of the Democrats with each if them now competing with each other to attain the status of who is the furthest left who could also be elected. There is no more trying to appeal to the center. They will become the forgotten and shunned humans.
 
The problem isn't the parties. It is the public. They have gone completely off the deep end.
 
Washington warned up about the party system in his farewell address, and accurately predicted the current asshole. i'm not convinced that basing a nation's power balance on a two tribe perpetual political war can ever work long term. this is a fundamental flaw, IMO.

A bit strong to describe Pelosi, but I can't entirely disagree.

:thumbs:
 
The only thought The Atlantic ever provoked is "why did I waste my time reading this tripe?" :lamo

Atlantic = Used to be good/now it sux
 
More than 2, less than 6 would probably work the best. People in the middle, would have a much larger roll in governing.

Perxactly.

2 party system = Poison
 
Allowing people to vote who don't own property was the biggest mistake.
 
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