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    Re: The Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kerry Won Ohio View Post
    Yes, Ft Sumter had nothing to do with the start of the war. Of course. The South seceded over slavery, which most of the Southern states admitted to in their proclamations when they seceded. You can look it up. As usual, you know absolutely nothing.

    Obviously, when it comes to discussing the Civil War, I don't take the views of racists and Confederate sympathizers seriously. Go away.
    You should be ashamed.

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    Re: The Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Robertinfremont View Post
    You should be ashamed.
    Are you sure about just who should be ashamed? At least one old guy in Idaho disagrees with your views.

    White supremacists are a serious, dangerous and growing threat

    White terrorists are nothing new to America. Unfortunately, they surface from time to time to wreak their havoc on vulnerable groups in our country. For decades, the Ku Klux Klan lynched, burned, shot and otherwise brutalized African-Americans. The KKK also terrorized our Jewish population.

    The KKK was a power across the country, including in Idaho, in the 1920s. Years later, Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, was motivated by white power and hatred of the government to kill 168 people. More recently, Dylann Roof killed nine black worshipers in their Charleston church in 2015.

    The current white supremacy movement in the U.S. is now linked with white power enthusiasts across the globe, thanks to social media. Brenton Tarrant, the murderer in New Zealand, was inspired by Anders Breivik, a Norwegian white power terrorist who killed 77 people, mostly kids. Christopher Hasson, the Coast Guard officer who was arrested in Maryland in February before he could fulfill his dream of setting off a race war, also drew inspiration from Breivik.

    These people share the perverted grievance that white folk are in danger of being replaced by people they regard as inferior.
    Then there is the ever so liberal SPLC which found that Idaho is the most hate-filled state in the nation - on a per capita basis
    And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.
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    Re: The Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kerry Won Ohio View Post
    I have plenty of evidence. There are many historians who agree with me, as I pointed out to you yesterday and you have ignored. After the war, even some Confederate generals agreed that they had a chance to win the war if not for Lee's bad decisions. I pointed that out to you yesterday also.

    And you're contradicting yourself about McClellan. If Lee fought a purely defensive strategy, McClellan would NOT have adjusted. He was too reticent, as you yourself stated. Hence, Lee would have prolonged the war and his army would have had fewer casualties. And the North would have had fewer victories. And then potentially Lincoln loses re-election and the South wins the war. It's not nearly as far-fetched as you pretend it to be.


    "not nearly as far-fetched"

    I see. So, it is far-fetched, but not as far-fetched, as I make it to be. So just how far-fetched is it? My immediate past two replies already answered this last one of yours.

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    Re: The Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kerry Won Ohio View Post
    Yes, Ft Sumter had nothing to do with the start of the war. Of course. The South seceded over slavery, which most of the Southern states admitted to in their proclamations when they seceded. You can look it up. As usual, you know absolutely nothing.

    Obviously, when it comes to discussing the Civil War, I don't take the views of racists and Confederate sympathizers seriously. Go away.
    Are you serious that Abe invaded due to slavery?

    He said he did not nor would ever.

    His excuse was that the lads in S. Carolina shot at a super fort. So strong none were injured due to the shelling. In short, a lot of noise but no harm to the solders in the fort.

    Some argue the South could have won. Sure, early in the war.

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    Re: The Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by bongsaway View Post
    I was born and raised in a large northeastern city where I lived for thirty six years. I now live in florida for over thirty years. Yesterday at a pizza place I spoke to a man with confederate flags on his truck. I asked him what does the confederate flag mean to him? He told me he was born in alabama and it was his heritage, not a racist thing like most people think. He said he was proud of his southern heritage. Unless I'm mistaken birmingham was once called bombingham for a reason and it wasn't for southern hospitality. I wondered to myself how he could he be proud of his heritage when his heritage was lynching and blowing up black folks?

    When you see someone flying or displaying a confederate flag, what thoughts come to your mind?
    Well, the rainbow flag we see everywhere is nothing but a symbol of hate, division, and immorality. It is deeply offensive to a large group of people and should be removed from all government buildings.

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    Re: The Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by bluesmoke View Post
    "not nearly as far-fetched"

    I see. So, it is far-fetched, but not as far-fetched, as I make it to be. So just how far-fetched is it? My immediate past two replies already answered this last one of yours.
    Nope. More disingenuous nonsense from you. You're the one describing it as far-fetched, that's why I used that language.

    Many accomplished historians agree with me, as I previously pointed out to you. You took my comment about the Confederate generals and ran with it, because that's all you could desperately come up with.

    The fact that you think the South's loss was inevitable, and the fact that you weren't aware that many historians disagree with you about that, shows how little you know on this topic.

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    Re: The Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Robertinfremont View Post
    Are you serious that Abe invaded due to slavery?

    He said he did not nor would ever.

    His excuse was that the lads in S. Carolina shot at a super fort. So strong none were injured due to the shelling. In short, a lot of noise but no harm to the solders in the fort.

    Some argue the South could have won. Sure, early in the war.
    Dude, you are a total lightweight. And a racist. Go away.

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    Re: The Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Mashmont View Post
    Well, the rainbow flag we see everywhere is nothing but a symbol of hate, division, and immorality. It is deeply offensive to a large group of people and should be removed from all government buildings.
    You mean that's how you view the rainbow flag. I have to give you credit for tying together the confederate flag and the rainbow flag and saying they both invoke hate, division and immorality. Which brings me to the next question. Whose morality? The chief pussy grabber's morality or the base who supports him?
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    Re: The Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by bongsaway View Post
    I was born and raised in a large northeastern city where I lived for thirty six years. I now live in florida for over thirty years. Yesterday at a pizza place I spoke to a man with confederate flags on his truck. I asked him what does the confederate flag mean to him? He told me he was born in alabama and it was his heritage, not a racist thing like most people think. He said he was proud of his southern heritage. Unless I'm mistaken birmingham was once called bombingham for a reason and it wasn't for southern hospitality. I wondered to myself how he could he be proud of his heritage when his heritage was lynching and blowing up black folks?

    When you see someone flying or displaying a confederate flag, what thoughts come to your mind?
    The confederate flag, yes, is a piece of history, but it is a piece of history in the sense that the Swastika is a piece of history.

    Look at it in a museum, sure, but don't go around and wave the damn thing, lest you be thought of as a racist pig.
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    Re: The Confederate Flag

    ...always looks goods as a string bikini on some chics.

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