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The Confederate Flag

Jezcoe said:
If someone in 2020 wants to fly a Confederate Flag... more power to them. No one is going to stop them from doing so.

The person flying a Confederate Flag in 2020 should not be surprised or feign ignorance though that by doing so a major portion of the populace will assume that he/she is a racist asshole.

Because in 2020, that is what flying that flag is saying to the world.
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In America if a person supports Trump a significant portion of democrats will accuse him of being a "racist asshole." Never mind the democrats are lying most of the time with that racist knee-jerk asswhole false allegation.

Ironically, modern democrats are happy to allow American Indians to celebrate their history and ancestors who fought and killed Americans but the democrats do not want modern Americans celebrating any persons or events related to the democrat support for slavery underlying the civil war.
 
So that should apply to any symbol, then, right? swastika, American Flag, a noose, Religious symbols such as the cross etc. So if I decide to burn the flag or tattoo a swastika on my body, I can say it means anything I want it to mean and no one should object or feel intimidated by it.
 
Citizen said:
So that should apply to any symbol, then, right? swastika, American Flag, a noose, Religious symbols such as the cross etc. So if I decide to burn the flag or tattoo a swastika on my body, I can say it means anything I want it to mean and no one should object or feel intimidated by it.
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The people making that argument generally make the same argument regarding certain words (slurs).
 
Jonsa said:
Lets be clear. bull**** baffles brains and historical revisionism is a "feature" of far right ethno nationalists, outright racists and scumbag fascists.

Racists look to anecdotal stories that attempt to paint slavery as something far more benign that it was, just like they attempt with the holocaust. Oh look you seem to be taking a page out of their playbook.

At least I can elevate my thinking above the belt because my head ain't stuck up my arse.
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When you bloat and groan, I try to imagine some history course approving language like yours. Can you imagine students paying attention to a braggart who truly displays hate over this topic?
 
marke said:
In America if a person supports Trump a significant portion of democrats will accuse him of being a "racist asshole." Never mind the democrats are lying most of the time with that racist knee-jerk asswhole false allegation.

Ironically, modern democrats are happy to allow American Indians to celebrate their history and ancestors who fought and killed Americans but the democrats do not want modern Americans celebrating any persons or events related to the democrat support for slavery underlying the civil war.
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I have said nothing about those who support the President nor have I said anything about Democrats

Say you come across a stranger that decked out in Marijuana paraphernalia, what assumption does one make? They are obviously projecting something to the world in general about their beliefs and personality knowing full well that assumptions are made.

The same is true for those who fly the Confederate flag.

No one is going to stop them from doing it.

Those who do should not act surprised in the year 2020 what people will assume about them.

They are the ones putting it out there.
 
eman623 said:
The majority of the world is not right 100% of the time. You don't see a lot of stars and bars flags flying in Northern California, but if I saw one my first thought would be, "must be a Southerner." My 2nd would be to ask myself, "Racist? Or just making a statement about heritage?"

At that point I'd probably forget about it. I got enough to worry about already.

Still it's a pretty brave thing to do. A very southern thing.
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Nah.... in Maine it is totally not a southern thing.

One of the flags I see here regularly is a Confederate Flag with a big middle finger in the middle of it.

As I said, I laugh.

They are sad sad people who feel the need to fly such a thing.
 
ecofarm said:
The people making that argument generally make the same argument regarding certain words (slurs).
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And songs like the national anthem.. Remember Colin Kaepernick?
 
Rising Sun said:
Sooooo you can’t do as you claimed. Of course you can’t because you were wrong in claiming anyone here favored slavery.

The problem with your and posts like yours is that you automatically assume “States Rights” = pro-slavery. That’s not correct. In fact it is wildly wrong and is just a big fat lie to spread a specific and deceitful ideology which divides Americans by calling anyone who disagrees with you a “racist”.

FWIW, I was career military where we were taught that everyone is an essential member of the team. Race and religion were irrelevant. My dad was career military and I grew up on desegregated military bases going to desegregated DOD schools in the 1960s when off-base schools were seeing riots and racial strife. As a kid I didn’t get what the problem was since race was never an issue on base. Although, human nature being what it is, there were “incidents” when I was in the Marine Corps, those were quickly rectified. The most memorable one was when my squadron was being transported to Okinawa on a C-5 and it developed a fuel leak. We were stuck at the USAF airport terminal for over 12 hours waiting for the plane to be fixed. The terminal had a cafe and it served beer. After too many beers, our maintenance Warrant Officer made one too many racially insensitive remarks and a well-liked Gunnery Sergeant decked him. That’s a bad situation all the way around but since the WO was known to be a dick and the GySgt was well liked, plus everyone in the squadron knew the Gunny was in the right, there was no known NJP. The only result of that incident was we were forbidden from drinking before or during our flight back 6 months later.
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I worked directly for the commanding officer in my and the 1st Sgt office near the CO office. The reason I became his clerk was the former Clerk made racist remarks the Captain overheard and told the 1st Sgt to replace him. See, the white blue eyed Captain happened to be a Mulatto from Cajun country and expected his company to act professional.

Note the Democrats on this topic do not present in professional way.
 
Master Debator said:
So? I'm against vandalism as well. Generally. If it happened to a racist statue I wouldn't be broken up about it or anything but no. I want them taken down legally, deliberately and in the faces of all the confederate sympathizers. Preferably in broad daylight.

:thumbs:
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That isn't the feeling I get, especially when you talk about mocking people into silence. Suppose they do that to you, then what will you say? Because they will.

I used to fly the Betsy Ross flag on July 4th until that idiot Colin Kaepernick claimed it was "racist". People will only take so much of this.
 
Robertinfremont said:
I worked directly for the commanding officer in my and the 1st Sgt office near the CO office. The reason I became his clerk was the former Clerk made racist remarks the Captain overheard and told the 1st Sgt to replace him. See, the white blue eyed Captain happened to be a Mulatto from Cajun country and expected his company to act professional.

Note the Democrats on this topic do not present in professional way.
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Maybe the army wasn't racist. Being a racist and hiding it is not "being professional". The problem was not professionalism, the problem was racism.

Behavior was not the problem. Beliefs were the problem. Do you get that?
 
Robertinfremont said:
I worked directly for the commanding officer in my and the 1st Sgt office near the CO office. The reason I became his clerk was the former Clerk made racist remarks the Captain overheard and told the 1st Sgt to replace him. See, the white blue eyed Captain happened to be a Mulatto from Cajun country and expected his company to act professional.

Note the Democrats on this topic do not present in professional way.
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That's why that racist flag you guys are defending is banned in places, why companies have stopped producing them and organizers are telling people not to bring it to their events, because waving confederate **** around is so professional.

:lamo


Is the rainbow flag banned? The black power symbol?

:lamo
 
Rising Sun said:
You care. Yes, ,most here know you want to destroy all the statues of Washington and Jefferson. It was in your very first post on this thread.
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Does Chewy have slaves or only Solo?
 
bullseyelqcs said:
And?

You seem to mistake what is being claimed here.....that the Confederacy went to war over slavery, which they most certainly did. Wrap it in whatever more palatable bull**** phrase you like (you know, that states rights crap), but in the end, it boiled down to them wanting the states to have the right to keep slavery as an institution. Just because slavery wasn't the impetus for the North to get into the war, it doesn't negate that at the end, they ended it.
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Correction, the South went to war due to the invasion that came to VA from DC. Had Abe the outlaw refused to invade, there was no war.

If Trump pulled today what Abe Lincoln pulled, he would definitely need to be impeached and tossed in jail. I read nothing by the Democrats of the constitutional crimes committed by Abe Lincoln and wonder why not?

Constitutionally the South was right.

Today few Americans really worry about slavery or the areas they would bash all the time would be in Africa. But slavery is not their issue. As an approved form of government it simply no longer exists in the US. But people like me get cussed at and lied to when we have confidence in our facts. Rising Sun is very confident in his facts as I am in mine and his.
 
it's just me said:
That isn't the feeling I get, especially when you talk about mocking people into silence. Suppose they do that to you, then what will you say? Because they will.

I used to fly the Betsy Ross flag on July 4th until that idiot Colin Kaepernick claimed it was "racist". People will only take so much of this.
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Lol what are they going to do to me? The reason shaming Confederate lovers works is because plenty of people are ashamed of you. Does it seem like I'm ashamed about any of my view points?

:lamo
 
it's just me said:
I used to fly the Betsy Ross flag on July 4th until that idiot Colin Kaepernick claimed it was "racist". People will only take so much of this.
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"Damn you, Kaep!!"


:lol:
 
Robertinfremont said:
Correction, the South went to war due to the invasion that came to VA from DC. Had Abe the outlaw refused to invade, there was no war.

If Trump pulled today what Abe Lincoln pulled, he would definitely need to be impeached and tossed in jail. I read nothing by the Democrats of the constitutional crimes committed by Abe Lincoln and wonder why not?

Constitutionally the South was right.

Today few Americans really worry about slavery or the areas they would bash all the time would be in Africa. But slavery is not their issue. As an approved form of government it simply no longer exists in the US. But people like me get cussed at and lied to when we have confidence in our facts. Rising Sun is very confident in his facts as I am in mine and his.
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No, constitutionally the south wasn't right.
 
it's just me said:
That isn't the feeling I get, especially when you talk about mocking people into silence. Suppose they do that to you, then what will you say? Because they will.

I used to fly the Betsy Ross flag on July 4th until that idiot Colin Kaepernick claimed it was "racist". People will only take so much of this.
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Why do you let someone you don't even know and proclaim is an "idiot", dictate your life?

If I let idiots dictate my life, I'd be a Trump supporter.
 
ecofarm said:
Does Chewy have slaves or only Solo?
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Isn't the fact that Abe had 39 native tribesmen hung on the same platform, for being hungry, a good enough reason to get rid of the Statue of Lincoln by the National Mall in DC?
 
marke said:
In America if a person supports Trump a significant portion of democrats will accuse him of being a "racist asshole." Never mind the democrats are lying most of the time with that racist knee-jerk asswhole false allegation.

Ironically, modern democrats are happy to allow American Indians to celebrate their history and ancestors who fought and killed Americans but the democrats do not want modern Americans celebrating any persons or events related to the democrat support for slavery underlying the civil war.
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Maybe? Just maybe the native americans were a bit pissed that these white folks were killing them to take their lands? Maybe?

If you had to take a guess looking back at those folks carrying torches, marching and chanting jews will not replace us, remember them? Would your guess they vote mostly democratic or republican?

I'm pretty sure you're going to dodge the question but it doesn't hurt to ask.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Correction, the South went to war due to the invasion that came to VA from DC. Had Abe the outlaw refused to invade, there was no war.

If Trump pulled today what Abe Lincoln pulled, he would definitely need to be impeached and tossed in jail. I read nothing by the Democrats of the constitutional crimes committed by Abe Lincoln and wonder why not?

Constitutionally the South was right.

Today few Americans really worry about slavery or the areas they would bash all the time would be in Africa. But slavery is not their issue. As an approved form of government it simply no longer exists in the US. But people like me get cussed at and lied to when we have confidence in our facts. Rising Sun is very confident in his facts as I am in mine and his.
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Right wingers: "We're the party of Lincoln!"
Also right wingers: "The south shall rise again!"

The south fought a war to preserve slavery. That's part of history. If you want to call that right, you just have to understand how other people will judge you for it.
 
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americanwoman said:
Why do you let someone you don't even know and proclaim is an "idiot", dictate your life?

If I let idiots dictate my life, I'd be a Trump supporter.
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You form your opinions about Trump like most formed them. You believe your major news programs. When a news program disputes the rest of the flawed news, you not only do not believe that news source, when it proves the tell the truth, you flat still do not believe them.

No wonder the cult of the Democrats is a chorus of hate. Change news sources.

TRump is a seriously wealthy man. But wealth is no reason to hate.

Proof. When he lived, per the docents at Mt. Vernon, Washington was so ultra rich that in today's dollars he would rank number 52 in the USA were he now living. So we had a powerful rich man who is esteemed as our president.
 
Robertinfremont said:
You form your opinions about Trump like most formed them. You believe your major news programs. When a news program disputes the rest of the flawed news, you not only do not believe that news source, when it proves the tell the truth, you flat still do not believe them.

No wonder the cult of the Democrats is a chorus of hate. Change news sources.

TRump is a seriously wealthy man. But wealth is no reason to hate.

Proof. When he lived, per the docents at Mt. Vernon, Washington was so ultra rich that in today's dollars he would rank number 52 in the USA were he now living. So we had a powerful rich man who is esteemed as our president.
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No, not really. You must be the one who lets others decide your opinions if that's how you see the news networks.

You see Donald Trump has been around for decades, anyone with eyes and ears could see what the man is about.

Being wealthy has nothing to do with character and/or hate. Warren Buffet is way richer than Trump and way more a decent human being. :shrug:
 
Robertinfremont said:
You form your opinions about Trump like most formed them. You believe your major news programs. When a news program disputes the rest of the flawed news, you not only do not believe that news source, when it proves the tell the truth, you flat still do not believe them.

No wonder the cult of the Democrats is a chorus of hate. Change news sources.

TRump is a seriously wealthy man. But wealth is no reason to hate.

Proof. When he lived, per the docents at Mt. Vernon, Washington was so ultra rich that in today's dollars he would rank number 52 in the USA were he now living. So we had a powerful rich man who is esteemed as our president.
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Why did you bring up wealth?
 
Deuce said:
Right wingers: "We're the party of Lincoln!"
Also right wingers: "The south shall rise again!"
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There are a good number of so called right wingers posting here. Can you cut and paste for us, or at least name the post numbers that claim what you just claimed?

Republicans main reason to claim Abe was a republican is that he was.

If a republican today pulled the stunt pulled by Abe Lincoln that modern Republican would be serving time in prison.

Democrats who bleed "but it was Sumter" forget the fort was the very best of the nation at the time so it sheltered Anderson and his crew so well none were hurt at all during the shelling. You should never launch a war due to cannon fire at a stout brick fort that stood up to the shelling magnificently.
 
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