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Republicans keep reminding Dems that they were slavery-supporting Confederates; Republicans spend 140 pages defending slavery-supporting Confederacy. Nooo... there was no party switch. None at all. :lol:
 
....and LW Southern-hating racists, bigots and authoritarian liars are triggered by images like this:
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Who knew that Jabba the Hut was, "Rebel Scum"?

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No, that's just funny. The Confederates weren't the rebels. Those would be the people they kept enslaved. You remember them right? They were the ones suffering under real oppression. But even in the 1800s we can see white snowflakes crying over federalism while they subjugate millions and they think they're the rebels...

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You guys have no self awareness. None.

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Sorry, but once a person lies to me, I never trust them again unless they apologize soooooo........
 
Republicans keep reminding Dems that they were slavery-supporting Confederates; Republicans spend 140 pages defending slavery-supporting Confederacy. Nooo... there was no party switch. None at all. :lol:

Please cite at least one single post where I supported slavery. In fact, I've condemned slavery several times as have others whom you have just falsely accused.

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I suggest you truly elevate your rhetoric to the height of the brain rather than the height of the belt line.

I will say with emphasis. The concept that ALL of the NORTH were willing to hike to distant lands to defeat slavery is pure bunk. Abolitionists were a fringe group. Smaller by far than the Antifa.

StudySpace: America: A Narrative History, 7 ed.
It never attracted many followers; only two percent of northerners were abolitionists, and white southerners rejected the movement. Despite their small numbers, the abolitionists had a profound influence on the debate over slavery in the United States.
So 98 percent of the North did not care one bit about blacks. I did not mention this recently but more facts are, study the plantations we can visit, such as Mt. Vernon and Monticello, to learn the truth about plantation life. Mt. Vernon has the best I saw showing how they lived daily then with Monticello a close second.

I saw no whipping post at either mansion. I saw proper shelter for both white and black. Whites there did have nice bedrooms. And slaves had modest accommodations. But that was shelter. A slave who escaped had no support. If a man who is poorly educated leaves the plantation, likely is he will be a victim as well elsewhere. I do not recall Northerners being generous to blacks. See what happens today. That is just a hint. I have personally earned a good living with black clients. They operate different than the white clients as if whites must be mistrusted. i never resented it since I felt that it was natural to feel as if one is a victim of whites and end up buying and selling homes using whites. I got it why i had to repeat the terms at times up to 6 or more times as if the blacks were stupid. But they held degrees and I saw no sign they were stupid. I saw people fearing they would get screwed over.

Give you an example or several. Bernie V held a masters degree in Nuclear physics engineering. Clearly he was intelligent His wife had been a teacher in one of the two Carolinas and in CA her teaching creditential was not valid, making her a house wife.

So what did they buy? A 3 Br 2 Ba home in excellent condition among Whites who, Bernie told me, made them feel welcome as neighbors. See when he departed the Bay Area, he asked me to put his home on sale and sell it so he could take his promotion. Bernie however did not make me keep telling him a half dozen times what the terms were. But he and I chatted quite a bit. Normally my clients saw me like I was an extended member of their family. I worked hard to help every client. I can only relate my experiences since I did not live otyher agents experiences. I had my own.

Rick had his BA and worked for a non profit that took care of wayward children. I learned from him how they took care of children that were not county wards. His wife worked for a university and she too had a degree. She was a wonderful person as was Rick. Rick always was straight with me as i was with him. He guided his pro football player brother to use me as his agent too. For him I sold him a more expensive home than to Rich. I did caution him not to spend too much due to the uncertain security provided to players. And he took my advice. I flew to his parents home in Fresno, CA one day to have him sign papers he had to sign to close the sale. He did not ask a lot of questions of me but his parents did. Especially his mother. She would ask over and over what the contract binded her son to. I patiently kept repeating my own comments. It was a bit annoying, but I did understand. I jumped back into the plane I flew there and about 1.5 hours later was back home. i offered to take him or his family up for a ride. At the time they passed on it. Rick told me later he was scared to fly and never wanted to fly with Jesus or me. Anyway i worked with more blacks but this cements this story.

I note on the forum how distrustful blacks are of whites. I cited a black educated woman calling humbug on white racism and she was then called by a poster an uncle Tom. She is then a hated class of black by ... well blacks. She wants blacks to do well, as I do. But she got called lousy names. Go figure.

Lets be clear. bull**** baffles brains and historical revisionism is a "feature" of far right ethno nationalists, outright racists and scumbag fascists.

Racists look to anecdotal stories that attempt to paint slavery as something far more benign that it was, just like they attempt with the holocaust. Oh look you seem to be taking a page out of their playbook.

At least I can elevate my thinking above the belt because my head ain't stuck up my arse.
 
"Tolerance" is a paradox.

Should German liberals in the 1930's have been "tolerant" to Nazis? Or, does after a certain point, tolerance make for a society that is intolerant in itself, and therefore backwards to the aims of being tolerant?
 
Republicans keep reminding Dems that they were slavery-supporting Confederates; Republicans spend 140 pages defending slavery-supporting Confederacy. Nooo... there was no party switch. None at all. :lol:

Well there certainly one party switch that's hard to deny. Black voters went from supporting mainly Republicans to voting exclusively Democratic.

But let them twist themselves into pretzels playing make believe as we see they've been doing it since the civil war, crying like the were the real victims. That they have to play this game of pretend is evidence they are losing. They're retreating. They can't be open about who they are. The LGBTQ community had to come out of the closet and boldly declare their personhood for recognition and to change the culture. You can't change culture from the closet. So let them stay in there. It's where they belong. In fact I love it. I can't think of a better fate than that than to have previously marginalized communities out and proud and them cowering in fear of being found out.
 
Wrong again. Some did it just because they were secularly barbaric. Many used religion, but most did it for purely secular reasons. Vlad the Impaler is one example that comes to mind: Vlad the Impaler - Wikipedia

Another is the obvious one: the Civil War. It had nothing to do with God. Lincoln invaded the South to force them back into the Union.

Wow, running around with goal posts firmly in hand.

And I see you can't discern the difference between casus belli and the excuse that God(s) in all their glory ordained the cause . Even the nazis had "gott mitt uns".
 
He's not. Jabba the Hut isn't a rebel, he's just out for himself.

Ah...then perfect for the image of Trump.

In any event, where would you ever get that the people defending slavery were the good guys in Star Wars?
 
Wow, running around with goal posts firmly in hand.

And I see you can't discern the difference between casus belli and the excuse that God(s) in all their glory ordained the cause . Even the nazis had "gott mitt uns".

The Bible was the premier document supporting the enslavement of black people.
 
Southerners are proud of their heritage; I don't see anything wrong with that.
 
No. You're going to have to. We are subtracting Confederate statues day by day, year by year. We ain't adding them. That's the way the culture is going and it's a good thing. Get beyond venerating racists and replace them with real southern heroes. Southerners that everyone can be proud of like MLKjr who fought for equality rather than against it. What's so wrong with that?

I just saw a post of yours where you claimed you didn't get here until the 80s, but then you claim a lot of things that aren't true. What's your stake in this? You don't have one, other than pissing people off.
 
No. You're going to have to. We are subtracting Confederate statues day by day, year by year. We ain't adding them. That's the way the culture is going and it's a good thing. Get beyond venerating racists and replace them with real southern heroes. Southerners that everyone can be proud of like MLKjr who fought for equality rather than against it. What's so wrong with that?

I don't believe you are who you say you are. You sound a little too familiar.
 
I just saw a post of yours where you claimed you didn't get here until the 80s, but then you claim a lot of things that aren't true. What's your stake in this? You don't have one, other than pissing people off.

I said my family didn't get here until the 80s. I was born in Miami in 81'. Don't know what's so unbelievable about that. :shrug:

As for why do I care? Because I'm decent person who doesn't want to have statues of dead racist up in public places in my country.
 
Southerners are proud of their heritage; I don't see anything wrong with that.

That would be white southerners. And, what, particularly, reflected in the slave state flag, are they proud of?
 
That's the problem with hypotheticals; in essence they are fantasies. You can fantasize that the Confederacy was going to expand slavery all around the world so that it becomes righteous that Lincoln invade the South causing a war that killed almost 700,000 Americans including more civilian deaths, over 50,000, than in WWI.

Dude, this thread is full of hate, mostly directed from North to South.

Just like you can fantasize that there was some reasonable plan amenable to the south that could have peacefully ended slavery in something less than a couple generations. It's possible, but what we know is the north was NOT pushing to end slavery outright, and the south seceded when the only thing on the table was limiting the spread of slavery to new territories. So in 1860 there was no hope of any reasonable plan amenable to the south. In 20 years, who the hell knows what happens and what they might have agreed to, but in 1860 it was NOTHING threatening slavery in any way at all.

And the hate isn't directed north to south, but to people making bogus Lost Cause arguments defending the south. I've lived my entire life in the former CSA, and I'm as disgusted with that attitude as anyone. I'm ashamed there are southerners still peddling that crap.
 
Southerners are proud of their heritage; I don't see anything wrong with that.

I don't see anything wrong with being proud of MLKjr, John Lewis and all those great southern heroes. Definitely something wrong with you though if you're proud of slavery and the confederacy.
 
Southerners are proud of their heritage; I don't see anything wrong with that.

Depends on what part of our "heritage" those southerners are proud of, right? There's a lot of good things in the south, but the problem is that when you define our "heritage" with the Confederate flag, you're embracing a symbol of our heritage, the fight FOR Jim Crow, segregation, second class status for blacks, racism, white supremacy, enforced by the state at the end of state guns. Those fighting against the CRA and VRA literally rallied under the Confederate flag as their banner to identify themselves as opposed to all that.

So why use that symbol to celebrate southern "heritage" unless you are including that part of it? I don't know....
 
Ah...then perfect for the image of Trump.

In any event, where would you ever get that the people defending slavery were the good guys in Star Wars?

Agreed on Trump. Although I think he's the worst president in living memory, the Democrats don't have anyone to replace him so I think most Americans will reelect him as "the devil we know". My question is "Will the Republicans continue to tolerate him once he's a lame duck President?"

"Tolerance" is a paradox.

Should German liberals in the 1930's have been "tolerant" to Nazis? Or, does after a certain point, tolerance make for a society that is intolerant in itself, and therefore backwards to the aims of being tolerant?

While that can be true about the paradox and, no, Nazis shouldn't be tolerated just like Socialists, Fascists and other authoritarians should be tolerated, that's not what is being discussed since I haven't seen a single post on this thread of anyone advocating slavery.
 
Southerners are proud of their heritage; I don't see anything wrong with that.

Agreed. Just so we're clear; it's good to support States Rights versus Federal authoritarianism since Thomas Jefferson did the same. It's wrong to support racism and spreading hate and intolerance.
 
While that can be true about the paradox and, no, Nazis shouldn't be tolerated just like Socialists, Fascists and other authoritarians should be tolerated, that's not what is being discussed since I haven't seen a single post on this thread of anyone advocating slavery.

I just see a lot of conservative memes about, "the liberals don't tolerate my intolerance. Where is the party of tolerance?". Kind of like the meme that you posted.

Yeah, they don't work.
 
Agreed. Just so we're clear; it's good to support States Rights versus Federal authoritarianism since Thomas Jefferson did the same. It's wrong to support racism and spreading hate and intolerance.

Intolerance against racism isn't bad. The state's that made up the confederacy weren't advocates of states rights when it came to northern states protecting runaway slaves. And states rights isn't some universal good, kind of depends on what rights the state wants.
 
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