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    Re: The Democrats Need 21 Senate Votes They Don't Have To Remove Trump - Why Do They Persist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    The President will only use their veto authority when it makes sense. When Congress' passes a bill with a veto-proof majority, like the FY2020 Consolidated Appropriations Act, no President is stupid enough to veto it. Congress hasn't given Trump a choice on any budgetary matters since he took office. Every Continuing Resolution, Omnibus, and Supplemental Spending bill for the last three years has been passed by a veto-proof majority from both houses of Congress.

    Trump had absolutely no choice in the matter. He should also not feel alone. Congress passed 6 of the 8 budgets when Obama was President with veto-proof majorities, and 5 of the 8 years Bush43 was President with veto-proof majorities.

    To be a normal, healthy economy the GDP needs to grow between 3% and 5% annually. GDP growth under 3% is anemic, and growth over 5% is considered booming.

    Actually, it is the consumer that ultimately pays for the tariffs. Which is why they are always bad for the economy, without exception.



    I don't need expert advice to know that you only build walls when you no longer have any desire to actually enforce existing laws. As you said, "the wall can replace manpower." You are indeed replacing law enforcement - with a wall. A President that actually enforced existing immigration law wouldn't need a wall. How many American businesses have been busted by Trump's ICE for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants? We hear about all the detentions on the border, but what about the millions of illegals already employed in the US?

    It is the same old scam. Democrats love illegals for their votes. Republicans love illegals for the cheap labor. Trump, by the way, is both. Trump has been a registered Democrat, just like he is a registered Republican now. He was also a registered member of the Reform Party in 2000 when he ran for President as their candidate the first time. Nobody is really sure what Trump is, but he most certainly is no conservative.
    Much of the above I agree with.

    But on the wall. Walls have benefits. So we must agree that walls do indeed have benefits.

    And we are talking of 1954 miles of border. Must we hire a few hundred thousand agents due to not having a wall?

    Frankly I know the wall is not able to 100 percent stop it, but the Trump wall is very impressive.

    So long as Trump does republican things as president, and he is, I am content.

    As you admit, he is our president through January 2025 so we all may as well settle down for the ride.

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    Re: The Democrats Need 21 Senate Votes They Don't Have To Remove Trump - Why Do They Persist?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    If there's a case to be made against Biden, by all means pursue it through the legitimate avenues. If his guilt so obvious, one wonders why that still hasn't emerged.

    In any case, nothing the Democrats have done forced Trump to do what he did, in front of his own officials and advisers, with the Ukrainians.

    Joe Biden didn't make Trump ham-fistedly resist any and all efforts to get to the truth of the matter, or publicly insult his own officials for daring to testify, or push ridiculous conspiracy theories.

    So you have some more excuses to make.
    Biden needs to be put on trial for what he did to Ukraine when he was VP. As to his son, investigators are working on his case as we chat.

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    Re: The Democrats Need 21 Senate Votes They Don't Have To Remove Trump - Why Do They Persist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    If you want to think of this happening because of political hackery...fine with me.

    Trump is dirty as a pig sty...and the reason he was impeached is because NEVER has any president ever so richly deserved impeachment.

    He is a stain on our Republic.
    President Trump is laughing at Nancy and Chuck from the Oval office! A nice little perk being the president.

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    Attorney General William Barr: The fact of the matter is that, in waging a scorched earth, no-holds-barred war of 'Resistance' against this Administration,
    it is the Left that is engaged in the systematic shredding of norms and the undermining of the rule of law.

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    Re: The Democrats Need 21 Senate Votes They Don't Have To Remove Trump - Why Do They Persist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Stop harping about the popular vote. It is like the points on whose line it simply doesn't matter. We do not elect our president by popular vote.

    All states have a say in who is president not just seeing states.



    Actually yes. Trump has very good odds to win the presidency again. People might not like him personally but they like his results. Those you can't argue with or against.

    No trump won the election period that is why he is president.

    Clinton lost the election and ran one of the worst campaigns possible short of Bob dole and Michael Dukakis.

    Trump defied all odds in that campaign and turned the rust belt back to purple.
    Yet, Obama won reelection with an approval rating 10 percentage points higher than Trump's has been and still is. All I saying is that if you're confident, Vegas will give you good odds right now. I speak as a fan of statistical analysis, not any one political party or candidate. We know Trump will lose the popular vote again - unless his opponent has a huge scandal - so the question is where he gets the votes from that give him the victory. White nationalists? I don't think there are enough of them this time.
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    Re: The Democrats Need 21 Senate Votes They Don't Have To Remove Trump - Why Do They Persist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    All opinion, which I suppose is fair enough. 2020 will tell who's opinion is erroneous, eh?
    2020 won't negate the Democrat self-immolation & attempts to ignite the country in civil war.

    And an inquisition is an inquisition.

    The Democrats can continue doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on their destructive behavior...

    ...and be destroyed by it...

    ...or they can come to their senses.

    4 years of violent mass hysteria tell me which way they'll go.

    And - obviously - Trump will win in 2020.

    Congratulations, Democrats:

    Go Vote for Yang / Tulsi - Just Dang!

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    Re: The Democrats Need 21 Senate Votes They Don't Have To Remove Trump - Why Do They Persist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    So? It isn't the popular vote that elects Presidents.

    This would be the very same poll that predicted a Hillary landslide in 2016 and that Trump could not possibly win in 2016. Since when do media polls ever reflect reality? So I really have no interest in your latest media fantasies since we already know it to be a deliberate lie.

    Democrats have been mentally-unhinged, destroying private property and violently attacking Trump supporters for the last 3 years because they lost the 2016 election. Just like when the Democrats became mentally-unhinged, destroying private property and violently attacking Bush43 supporters after losing the 2000 election. Just like when the Democrats became mentally-unhinged, destroying private property and violently attacking Nixon supporters after losing the 1968 election.

    Democrats have a very long history of becoming mentally-unhinged, destroying private property and violently attacking people who don't agree with them. I have absolutely no doubt that Democrats will continue this very anti-American behavior after every election they lose because they are mentally unbalanced with the emotional maturity of a 12 year-old.

    I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, and I won't be voting for him in 2020, but because of the clinically insane Democrats they absolutely assured Trump's reelection, by a huge margin. Now we are stuck with this odious oaf until January 2025. Just one more reason why the Democratic Party is bad for America.
    Alright, your have, like, a right to your own opinion man.
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    Re: The Democrats Need 21 Senate Votes They Don't Have To Remove Trump - Why Do They Persist?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesbyoung View Post
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    Listen up, 3leftsdoo, and read carefully.

    Do not incite. Try to debate.

    The fact is that Mitch McConnell does not have the votes to structure a trial without witnesses.

    Trump will be not be convicted, but his behavior will so besmirch him that he will be easily defeated in 2020 and most Trump candidates as well across the country.

    Stay with the topic.



    One, you have no idea, from your statement, what is an ad hom. Look it up.

    And, two, your logic is bizarre.

    No, Trump will not win in 2020. The Dems are preventing Trump and his followers from "damaging Country, Constitution. . ." Note that the Dems have been winning steadily since early 2017 and will continue doing so.

    You will not be allowed to ignore logic and facts.
    Someone doesn't know what ad hom is.

    As far as 2020 goes, stand by to be disappointed - the Democrats are self-destructing daily.
    Go Vote for Yang / Tulsi - Just Dang!

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    Re: The Democrats Need 21 Senate Votes They Don't Have To Remove Trump - Why Do They Persist?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3leftsdoo View Post
    Someone doesn't know what ad hom is.

    As far as 2020 goes, stand by to be disappointed - the Democrats are self-destructing daily.
    Indeed, you don't, but you will, I have no doubt.

    The fact is that Mitch McConnell does not have the votes to structure a trial without witnesses.

    Trump will be not be convicted, but his behavior will so besmirch him that he will be easily defeated in 2020 and most Trump candidates as well across the country.
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    Re: The Democrats Need 21 Senate Votes They Don't Have To Remove Trump - Why Do They Persist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Irredentist View Post
    It's pretty obvious why they're doing it. The more progressive members of Congress have wanted to do it for a while. Honestly I'm surprised they didn't do it sooner. But Pelosi kept them in line and waited for a reason they thought was good enough. It was never really about winning or losing. No one rational thinks that Republicans will turn on trump en masse. But that's not the point. Impeachment not only appeases the more radical members of the Democratic base, but also offers a chance for Democrats to present their case that the president is unfit for office before congress and the American people, in the most official manner possible. Is it political theater? Absolutely, but I don't see how the democrats could have avoided bringing up impeachment, the pressure from the left was just too strong. I think they've handled it well, all things considered.
    Well, that's very rational.

    I don't agree & think the whole thing's self-destructively insane behavior, but I appreciate your civility.

    Go Vote for Yang / Tulsi - Just Dang!

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    Re: The Democrats Need 21 Senate Votes They Don't Have To Remove Trump - Why Do They Persist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Alright, your have, like, a right to your own opinion man.
    I hope you are able to tell the difference between opinion and irrefutable historical fact. It is not my opinion the Democrats become violent and destroy private property whenever they lose an election. That is irrefutable historical fact.

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