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Why not call the witnesses requested by the Dems?

cabse5 said:
That's how they do it in banana republics. Guilty until proven innocent. BTW, how many dems think Trump will ever be innocent? Can I count them on my one hand?
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ObamacareFail said:
The left seems to think "guilty by public narrative" is enough.
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Exactly what the swamp, political elites and Democrats want to have, just as long as they are in power, and can declare those they don't like guilty of something, it all works out just grand in their minds.

Not much of a Republic left, but that doesn't seem to bother them in the least, which I find most troubling, and the foundation for my opposition to the swamp, political elites and Democrats (i.e. everyone and everything that Trump isn't - oddly enough - so how'd he get elected again? :mrgreen: )
 
ObamacareFail said:
What evidence would that be?
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Another Trumpster playing the same game? Or did you get banned and get a new handle?

Seriously, you guys aren’t getting anywhere by trying to bait people into putting up with yet another recitation of denials of what is now, plainly obvious.

BTW, Trump admitted it. Mulvanney admitted it. Sondland admitted it, Guliani admitted it. And everyone who get glimpses of what was going on (“talk to Rudy’), described the same cheesy scam.
 
ObamacareFail said:
You are only succeeding at insulting yourself. When you declare all Trump supporters as mind numbed cultists, you are simply displaying your own ignorance and lack of class. Somewhere in excess of 60 million voters pulled the lever for Trump. That included a sizable number of democrats who had previously voted for Obama, especially in those blue firewall states. Do you declare anyone who does not vote for your preferred candidate as less intelligent? That's self defeating.
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Kinda hard to win election when you go and insult large segments of the electorate. Also seems to be a lesson that the left hasn't grasped yet.
 
Why not call all Schiff's, Pelosi, Schumer and Nadler's political and Congressional staff, and their lawyers, to question them under oath about any and all conversations they had with anyone about Trump in anyway plus subpoenaing all notes, emails and all other documents? Certainly all their lawyers need to provide 100% of their case files about everyone and recount everything anyone told them because the Democrats agree that attorney-client nor any separation of powers in government no longer exists.

It goes without saying that the "whistle blower", the whistle blower's lawyer(s) and anyone the whistle blower talked to about any of this - and all those people also called, including to answer if any of them directly or indirectly communicated with the press. We also need to see all their lawyer's notes, emails and files, plus their own.

Since legal privilege doesn't exist according to the Democrats, the reporters and commentators who reported "sources" must be called and required to testify who those "sources," and they also subpoenaed.

Of course, every foreign leader and everyone in the State Department, FBI and DOJ needs to be called and asked if Trump every tried to extort them to show a pattern of practice not doing so.

This shouldn't produce more than 1,000 to 2,000 witnesses. As Schumer says, everyone needs to be forced to testify because we need to hear from everyone.

They also need to subpoena me so I can swear to my opinions and speculations, since that is all this is about anyway.
 
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TomFitz said:
Another Trumpster playing the same game? Or did you get banned and get a new handle?

Seriously, you guys aren’t getting anywhere by trying to bait people into putting up with yet another recitation of denials of what is now, plainly obvious.

BTW, Trump admitted it. Mulvanney admitted it. Sondland admitted it, Guliani admitted it. And everyone who get glimpses of what was going on (“talk to Rudy’), described the same cheesy scam.
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No they didn't, that just another Democratic Party lie. EVERY witness testified either Trump did NOT do it on their personal knowledge, or they know nothing at all. Not following Obama's foreign policy is not an impeachable offense.
 
TomFitz said:
Of course not. Your media has told you not to. Your President has told you not to.

I’m beginning to think you’ve either been living under a rock since the summer of 2016, or you really are working double time at being obtuse.

“ As far as the other stuff, are they serious that posting in debate sites was by Russians? This is beyond silly.”

See the Mueller Report, pages 72 to 90. Oh, and don’t forget to check the related appendices. The operation is described in great detail, right down to the names of the commanding FSB officers.

The rest of your post is incoherent repetion of phrases you must have heard on talk radio.....
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Who did the Mueller report buy FBI men.The SAME ones who wanted him impeached. Tell me again why we are supposed to believe them when they leak to the pres for expensive gifts?
 
joko104 said:
Why not call all Schiff's, Pelosi, Schumer and Nadler's political and Congressional staff, and their lawyers, to question them under oath about any and all conversations they had with anyone about Trump in anyway plus subpoenaing all notes, emails and all other documents? Certainly all their lawyers need to provide 100% of their case files about everyone and recount everything anyone told them because the Democrats agree that attorney-client nor any separation of powers in government no longer exists.

It goes without saying that the "whistle blower", the whistle blower's lawyer(s) and anyone the whistle blower talked to about any of this - and all those people also called, including to answer if any of them directly or indirectly communicated with the press. We also need to see all their lawyer's notes, emails and files, plus their own.

Since legal privilege doesn't exist according to the Democrats, the reporters and commentators who reported "sources" must be called and required to testify who those "sources," and they also subpoenaed.

Of course, every foreign leader and everyone in the State Department, FBI and DOJ needs to be called and asked if Trump every tried to extort them to show a pattern of practice not doing so.

This shouldn't produce more than 1,000 to 2,000 witnesses. As Schumer says, everyone needs to be forced to testify because we need to hear from everyone.

They also need to subpoena me so I can swear to my opinions and speculations, since that is all this is about anyway.
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Excellent post showing exactly what the Democrats are doing. Using their subpoena power in search of a crime. Just like the Mueller gang.
 
TomFitz said:
Another Trumpster playing the same game? Or did you get banned and get a new handle?
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Try using your head and checking out my join date. then you might not look so ridiculously foolish. My join date and handle predate Trump running for president, significantly.

Seriously, you guys aren’t getting anywhere by trying to bait people into putting up with yet another recitation of denials of what is now, plainly obvious.
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It would appear that it is you that is doing the baiting. You made the charge of "hiding evidence". I am merely calling your bluff.


BTW, Trump admitted it. Mulvanney admitted it. Sondland admitted it, Guliani admitted it. And everyone who get glimpses of what was going on (“talk to Rudy’), described the same cheesy scam.
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Admitted what, pray tell? Be specific or move on.
 
eohrnberger said:
Kinda hard to win election when you go and insult large segments of the electorate. Also seems to be a lesson that the left hasn't grasped yet.
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The hildabeast had to learn that lesson the hard way. I suppose that the tribal leftist democrat base will never learn.
 
ludin said:
He doesn't have to because he is already innocent until he is proven guilty.
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That is a nice thought but I think those days are behind us. Media justice is our new judicial system. Yell something loud and enough and long enough and the truth is irrelevant.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
That is a nice thought but I think those days are behind us. Media justice is our new judicial system. Yell something loud and enough and long enough and the truth is irrelevant.
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Real americans need to take it back. we cannot let these fascist dictators win and take away our rights.
 
ObamacareFail said:
The hildabeast had to learn that lesson the hard way. I suppose that the tribal leftist democrat base will never learn.
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Hillary has yet to learn this lesson, as do many others,, clearly.

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Paradoxical said:
Excellent post showing exactly what the Democrats are doing. Using their subpoena power in search of a crime. Just like the Mueller gang.
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The very definition of a witch hunt.
 
independentusa said:
They are supposed to be the eye witnesses to what happened in the Ukraine cse . Please do not say executive privilege as Trump has never said he was claiming executive privilege. He claims total presidential immunity. Now tell me where in the constitution it says that the president has "total presidential immunity" please. And even if he did claim executive privilege, it ends when the impeachment trial begins. So tell me a good and "logical" reason that these witnesses should not testify to insure that all evidence is available to those senators deciding the case?
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Why not ask that family member who believes the 9/11 planes were holograms to explain - all through holiday gatherings & to the exclusion of all else - that theory in copious detail???

Why not?!?!?!?

Because Putin - that's why not!!!!

Also, Ukrainian Nazis!!!!!

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:donkeyfla
 
ataraxia said:
Have you found Obama's secret Kenyan birth certificate yet? :lamo
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We've found the Hawaiian one Obama provided after he was in office as president, thank you.
 
TomFitz said:
The right believes that they can sustain this bogus narrative if Trump can keep hiding the evidence.
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Why does Trump need to provide the evidence from additional witnesses when he's not been proven guilty of anything in the phone call from any of the testimony in the house?
 
Condor060 said:
First off, Democrats have no witnesses that can testify in a federal court. Every witness they called in the hearings are hearsay witnesses only. Every one of them stated under Republican questioning they had no personal knowledge of any impeachable crimes.

Second, Since Democrats don't have a single witness that can testify, there is no need to have witnesses testify for the defense. No where in the history of this country does the defense put on witnesses when there are no witnesses to testify to any crimes.
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The senate is not a federal court.
 
TomFitz said:
Another Trumpster playing the same game? Or did you get banned and get a new handle?

Seriously, you guys aren’t getting anywhere by trying to bait people into putting up with yet another recitation of denials of what is now, plainly obvious.

BTW, Trump admitted it. Mulvanney admitted it. Sondland admitted it, Guliani admitted it. And everyone who get glimpses of what was going on (“talk to Rudy’), described the same cheesy scam.
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What did the Trump administration admit? That what they did lies within the purview of any president or administration? That Trump asked Zelensky to investigate the Bidens? That Giuliani is investigating the, allegedly, formerly corrupt Ukraine to determine its lack of corruption? To determine the relationship the US had with the formerly corrupt Ukraine?
 
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eohrnberger said:
Kinda hard to win election when you go and insult large segments of the electorate. Also seems to be a lesson that the left hasn't grasped yet.
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The left thinks if it can shame the electorate into voting for them so they'll win. IMO, they must've gotten that election strategy from the Hillary campaign of 2016.:doh
EDIT: Sorry. Already posted by ObamacareFail.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
The hildabeast had to learn that lesson the hard way. I suppose that the tribal leftist democrat base will never learn.
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IMO, the left still takes orders from the 'successful' 2016 Hillary campaign or the 'successful' 2016 Hillary campaign took lessons from some other political loser.
 
ludin said:
Real americans need to take it back. we cannot let these fascist dictators win and take away our rights.
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Oh, but haven't you heard? Fascists can't be left-leaning?:lamo
 
joko104 said:
Why not call all Schiff's, Pelosi, Schumer and Nadler's political and Congressional staff, and their lawyers, to question them under oath about any and all conversations they had with anyone about Trump in anyway plus subpoenaing all notes, emails and all other documents? Certainly all their lawyers need to provide 100% of their case files about everyone and recount everything anyone told them because the Democrats agree that attorney-client nor any separation of powers in government no longer exists.

It goes without saying that the "whistle blower", the whistle blower's lawyer(s) and anyone the whistle blower talked to about any of this - and all those people also called, including to answer if any of them directly or indirectly communicated with the press. We also need to see all their lawyer's notes, emails and files, plus their own.

Since legal privilege doesn't exist according to the Democrats, the reporters and commentators who reported "sources" must be called and required to testify who those "sources," and they also subpoenaed.

Of course, every foreign leader and everyone in the State Department, FBI and DOJ needs to be called and asked if Trump every tried to extort them to show a pattern of practice not doing so.

This shouldn't produce more than 1,000 to 2,000 witnesses. As Schumer says, everyone needs to be forced to testify because we need to hear from everyone.

They also need to subpoena me so I can swear to my opinions and speculations, since that is all this is about anyway.
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I really have no idea why you Trumpsters are so fixated on the whistleblower.

Of course, the wistleblower has protection under the law. But apparantly, that person must be sacrificed to buttress the fading gravitas of your fool’s gold fuhrer.

Since seventeen witnesses confirmed the content of the complaint, and the only thing we really haven’t heard from are the actual perpetrators themselves, it hardly seems necessary.

However, if the whistleblower does voluntarily agree to appear, I have no objection. He/she won’t tell us anything we don’t already know.
 
joko104 said:
No they didn't, that just another Democratic Party lie. EVERY witness testified either Trump did NOT do it on their personal knowledge, or they know nothing at all. Not following Obama's foreign policy is not an impeachable offense.
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That is not true. None of them had direct personal knowledge that Trump personally ordered what went on.

The people who do are the ones Trump doesn’t want on the stand.


So ,the cover up is out in the open, plain for anyone to see (unless you’re a Trumpster, and you twist your neck enough to look the other way again).

Trying to pretend that Trump’s TV lawyer and his two Russian elves were conducting anything official is transparently dishonest.

You don’t trust your nation’s foreign policy to two Russians and a Tv lawyer with no experience, being paid by the Russians to advance Moscow’s interest in Kiev.

At least, if you’re not Trump, you don’t.
 
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snakestretcher said:
The senate is not a federal court.
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Every Senate trial is run by the Chief Justice and is governed by the Federal rules of evidence and witness testimony. But I'm not surprised you didn't know that.
 
eohrnberger said:
Hillary has yet to learn this lesson, as do many others,, clearly.

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Actually true. Any sane politician would have learned that lesson. However the hildabeast is special. She has spent her entire adult life scheming to one day become president. When you want the office that bad, rationality goes out the window. I don't believe that Hillary will ever reach her goal, however she will never give up.
 
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