Is the real difference

Is the real difference between the D's and R's a matter of tolerance?

Everyone is pro-tolerance until it comes time for them to be tolerant.....

Tolerance of what.

bongsaway said:

Is the real difference between the D's and R's a matter of tolerance?

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What would you choose over the other....
being Abundant or being Admitting?
being Equal or Excellence?
being Orderly or Virtuous?
being Unselfish or Tolerant?
being Candid or Considerate?
being Holistic or Ethical?
being Thoughtful or Experienced?
being Sober or Humble?

Do you think others would answer differently? Why?
Do you think there is a prime virtue which overrides the others?

bongsaway said:

Is the real difference between the D's and R's a matter of tolerance?

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No. I do not think the differences can be boiled down that simplistically.

Leftist don't know what tolerance means.

ludin said:

Leftist don't know what tolerance means.

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You win the Irony award for the day.

Conaeolos said:

What would you choose over the other....
being Abundant or being Admitting?
being Equal or Excellence?
being Orderly or Virtuous?
being Unselfish or Tolerant?
being Candid or Considerate?
being Holistic or Ethical?
being Thoughtful or Experienced?
being Sober or Humble?

Do you think others would answer differently? Why?
Do you think there is a prime virtue which overrides the others?

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I think it's possible to be all those things, or to strive to be. Why choose one over the other?

bongsaway said:

Is the real difference between the D's and R's a matter of tolerance?

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Not at all... Both sides have an element of intolerance within them as do all groups of people.

The left claims to be the tolerant ones, but that claim has been shattered over the last 3 years based on their actions, just as their claims of wide spread intolerance on the right has been shown to be greatly over blown and exaggerated. The major difference I see between the 2 sides is how they deal with intolerance within their ranks. The intolerance exists on the fringes of the extreme right and the extreme left. The difference being that the right does not accept or embrace the extremists on their fringes, and they refuse to give them any say so, or allow them a seat at the table. The left on the other hand, continuously turn a blind eye to the extremists within their ranks who commit act of violence against their adversaries, actively suppress speech they disagree with, and not only ignore the racism and bigotry they express, they actually give them a seat at the table and welcome them to the fold. Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, and Maxine Watters are 3 examples of that.

The major difference between the left and right is their world view and what steps they believe need to be taken to make the nation a better, stronger nation in the future.

Conaeolos said:

What would you choose over the other....
being Abundant or being Admitting?
being Equal or Excellence?
being Orderly or Virtuous?
being Unselfish or Tolerant?
being Candid or Considerate?
being Holistic or Ethical?
being Thoughtful or Experienced?
being Sober or Humble?

Do you think others would answer differently? Why?
Do you think there is a prime virtue which overrides the others?

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That’s well said.

If I had to boil things down to one key trait that I see as different between the two parties, it would probably have to be empathy. Liberals tend to be more empathetic and conservatives seem to have a hard time putting themselves in anyone else's shoes. It frames the differences between the two sides on a whole host of issues.

bongsaway said:

Is the real difference between the D's and R's a matter of tolerance?

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The primary difference between democrats and republicans is economic belief.

Grim17 said:

Not at all... Both sides have an element of intolerance within them as do all groups of people.

The left claims to be the tolerant ones, but that claim has been shattered over the last 3 years based on their actions, just as their claims of wide spread intolerance on the right has been shown to be greatly over blown and exaggerated. The major difference I see between the 2 sides is how they deal with intolerance within their ranks. The intolerance exists on the fringes of the extreme right and the extreme left. The difference being that the right does not accept or embrace the extremists on their fringes, and they refuse to give them any say so, or allow them a seat at the table. The left on the other hand, continuously turn a blind eye to the extremists within their ranks who commit act of violence against their adversaries, actively suppress speech they disagree with, and not only ignore the racism and bigotry they express, they actually give them a seat at the table and welcome them to the fold. Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, and Maxine Watters are 3 examples of that.

The major difference between the left and right is their world view and what steps they believe need to be taken to make the nation a better, stronger nation in the future.

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Thanks for the laugh. Remember the tea party? Yeah, they transformed into the freedom caucus. You know them, jim jordan, mr. gaetz from florida and a few others totally out of touch with reality. The attack dogs of the extreme right that the middle of the road republicans empowered and are now out of control. These are the folks who whip up the base, throw the red meat and now the monster they created has taken over and nobody dares say a word that's negative about trump or they will be primaried by someone even crazier. The right has lost control of its party.

KevinKohler said:

The primary difference between democrats and republicans is economic belief.

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That's a load of crap or you have bought into the republican leadership lying to you. Historic fact, republicans run up the debt much more than democrats. Isn't that one of the highest beliefs of republicans? A republican led economy is better for the country? If that's true why are the biggest crashes under republicans?

JMR said:

I think it's possible to be all those things, or to strive to be. Why choose one over the other?

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Apparently some people think it's not possible to be a combination of things. For them it's an either or. Must be tough to be so closed minded?

bongsaway said:

Thanks for the laugh. Remember the tea party? Yeah, they transformed into the freedom caucus. You know them, jim jordan, mr. gaetz from florida and a few others totally out of touch with reality.

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Jim Jordan and Matt Gaetz are not intolerant of anyone except lying democrats like Adam Schiff. Neither one of those congressmen call for, encourage, or turn a blind eye to political violence or the suppression of free speech, and they're not bigots who make anti-Semitic or racist comments in public speeches.

You dislike them because they stand up to the democrats and the far left loons. They are a thorn in the side of the democrats in DC and far left progressives like yourself, and the anger and over the top vitriol in your response proves it.

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Grim17 said:

Not at all... Both sides have an element of intolerance within them as do all groups of people.

The left claims to be the tolerant ones, but that claim has been shattered over the last 3 years based on their actions, just as their claims of wide spread intolerance on the right has been shown to be greatly over blown and exaggerated. The major difference I see between the 2 sides is how they deal with intolerance within their ranks. The intolerance exists on the fringes of the extreme right and the extreme left. The difference being that the right does not accept or embrace the extremists on their fringes, and they refuse to give them any say so, or allow them a seat at the table. The left on the other hand, continuously turn a blind eye to the extremists within their ranks who commit act of violence against their adversaries, actively suppress speech they disagree with, and not only ignore the racism and bigotry they express, they actually give them a seat at the table and welcome them to the fold. Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, and Maxine Watters are 3 examples of that.

The major difference between the left and right is their world view and what steps they believe need to be taken to make the nation a better, stronger nation in the future.

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What groups would you say the right are tolerant of? Speak the truth, now. True tolerance.

Excast said:

If I had to boil things down to one key trait that I see as different between the two parties, it would probably have to be empathy. Liberals tend to be more empathetic and conservatives seem to have a hard time putting themselves in anyone else's shoes. It frames the differences between the two sides on a whole host of issues.

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What makes you sure so you're not confusing sympathetic responses with the less common empathetic tendencies?

As an example, close your eyes and imagine for a second an impoverished homeless person? …okay, now does that constructed imagine inside your mind look like you or someone else?

See, you probably see a version of yourself, as it is most likely true, you've made choices in your life which have disassociated you from this sort of negative person. And you can play all sorts of movies about how it must feel. Those are all inaccurate. They are projections. They are creations in your mind of your own fears and justifications because they not grounded in an authentic experience . What we feel when we construct those movies of walking in the shoes of an impoverished homeless person are sympathetic. Most people are sympathetic and that is good sign. A source of kindness, humility and compassion. If one is not, I'd certainly worry about some formative trauma. That said, being lead by sympathy is often destructive and self-indulgent not virtuous.

Empathy comes from listening and co-experiencing with real people. It comes when you recognize and struggle with an inherit aversion to negative things. And far rarer than sympathy especially in our disconnected individualist culture. Empathy sees in the mind real people, with real struggles, in real world scenarios where the experiencer is distinct from the suffer. Yes, one would to some extent vicariously experience the negative "like being in their shoes", but it would never be personalized. It would be reflective of what we heard. One common trait of a very empathic person is form of diplomatic detachment, as that is often a prerequisite of allowing people to speak for themselves and in their own words. Only a cat knows what it is to be a cat.

My argument would not be conservatives tend to be higher in this trait. Only empathy is very uncommon amongst the left. The left loves to speak for 'oppressed' people not listen, constructing and justifying, this action and that grounded in fanciful hypotheticals, personal accounts and over-simplifications. If and when empathy was the motive as you suggest, the left as a whole, would be a whole lot more about listening and whole lot less about simplifying the world in "to solve X, we have a moral imperative to do Y".

Superfly said:

What groups would you say the right are tolerant of? Speak the truth, now. True tolerance.

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I have no idea what you are talking about... If you have something to say, then say it.

Grim17 said:

I have no idea what you are talking about... If you have something to say, then say it.

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You know exactly what I am saying, so stop buying time by deflecting.

You implied that the right is more tolerant than the left.

I am asking you what groups the right is tolerant of.

It’s a very easy question to answer. Very easy.

Superfly said:

You know exactly what I am saying, so stop buying time by deflecting.

You implied that the right is more tolerant than the left.

I am asking you what groups the right is tolerant of.

It’s a very easy question to answer. Very easy.

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Actually, what I said was that "Both sides have an element of intolerance within them as do all groups of people." I wasn't saying one side was any better than the other.

What I did do however, was point out that the right goes out of their way to disavow the intolerant folks on their extreme fringes, and doesn't accept them into fray... while the left for the most part remains silent about the intolerant behavior of the people on their fringes, and actually have some of those intolerant, extremists types holding elected office in DC.

I'm not going to list who the right tolerates... If you think there are certain organisations or groups of people the right does not tolerate or accept, then list them and explain why you believe that to be true.

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I know one thing is true> Social Democratic Nations Rank the Happiest on Earth.

Grim17 said:

Actually, what I said was that "Both sides have an element of intolerance within them as do all groups of people." I wasn't saying one side was any better than the other.

What I did do however, was point out that the right goes out of their way to disavow the intolerant folks on their extreme fringes, and doesn't accept them into fray... while the left for the most part remains silent about the intolerant behavior of the people on their fringes, and actually have some of those intolerant, extremists types holding elected office in DC.

I'm not going to list who the right tolerates... If you think there are certain organisations or groups of people the right does not tolerate or accept, then list them and explain why you believe that to be true.

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Don’t bother. The list would be extremely short, anyway. The rest of your post is absolute hogwash and not worth responding to.

HIP56948 said:

I know one thing is true> Social Democratic Nations Rank the Happiest on Earth.

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Then why is weed not legal in them?

Superfly said:

Don’t bother. The list would be extremely short, anyway. The rest of your post is absolute hogwash and not worth responding to.

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Sure it is... You really discredited what I posted and shot it down with all those facts you listed... lol