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‘We’ve seen enough’: More than a dozen editorial boards call for Trump’s impeachment

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‘We’ve seen enough’: More than a dozen editorial boards call for Trump’s impeachment

The Columbus Dispatch blasted Republicans who called the impeachment inquiry unconstitutional, saying they are “willing to assault our democracy in order to preserve their places in it."

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Government witnesses who testified at the House Judiciary Committee hearings. A "Trump shakedown of Ukraine."

12/15/19
The headline the New York Times editorial board settled on was simple: “Impeach.”

The same could be said of the “damning” case laid out against President Trump, the Times said Saturday, as it joined a growing roster of more than a dozen national and regional newspapers that argue that the Senate should take up convincing accusations of “high crimes and misdemeanors.” Many papers backing impeachment have described a slow-building choice amid hearings into whether Trump abused his position to pressure a foreign power for personal political gain. “With reluctance …” the piece by the Tampa Bay Times begins. “Until recently,” USA Today writes, “we believed that impeachment proceedings would be unhealthier for an already polarized nation than simply leaving Trump’s fate up to voters next November.” The Los Angeles Times mulled a call for impeachment for months, said Nicholas Goldberg, the paper’s editorial page editor. Staffers worried the proceedings would just inflame American divisions and probably not result in Trump’s departure, no matter the findings. He and his colleagues had listened to a slew of career officials describe their discomfort. They had heard about messages and phone calls documenting mounting pressure on Ukraine. They had noted the concerns of constitutional scholars. “We’ve seen enough,” they wrote. The Post’s editorial board notes that Trump’s refusal to cooperate in any way with Congress’s inquiry sets him apart from past presidents. Trump has blocked the release of documents as well as testimony by a dozen current and former senior officials, and newspapers argue that those missing voices could clarify Trump’s intent in withholding military aid.

As for the concerns that made them “late converts”: Those “must yield to the overwhelming evidence that Trump perverted U.S. foreign policy for his own political gain,” the editorial board said. “That sort of misconduct is outrageous and corrosive of democracy.” Editorial boards, too — groups of opinion writers who operate independently from the newsroom — have split on whether Trump should become the third U.S. president to be impeached. The Wall Street Journal criticized the Democrats’ case as “weak” on Wednesday, arguing that “abuse of power” as the president’s critics have outlined it is too vague. But the editorial pages of other national outlets — the New York Times, The Washington Post and USA Today — have put their weight behind impeachment, along with major local papers around the country. The list includes the Los Angeles Times, the Salt Lake Tribune, the Honolulu Star-Advertiser, the Tampa Bay Times, the Orlando Sentinel, the Boston Globe, the New York Daily News, the Chicago Sun-Times, the Philadelphia Inquirer and the San Francisco Chronicle. “There may be no single, smoking gun, but there’s ample acrid black stuff rising from the White House,” the New York Daily News wrote.

The stink emanating from the Trump White House these days is highly toxic. Unfortunately for America, today's GOP has come to love the White House stench and Vladimir Putin's disinformation.
 
Obstruction of Congress is being done so blatantly, they aren’t even pretending. “You have to have direct material witnesses to convict, and you are not allowed access to direct material witnesses” is the open, literal claim from right wingers. They believe Trump is above the law and don’t even pretend otherwise. A third of our nation thinks this way. We’re pretty ****ed.
 
‘We’ve seen enough’: More than a dozen editorial boards call for Trump’s impeachment

The Columbus Dispatch blasted Republicans who called the impeachment inquiry unconstitutional, saying they are “willing to assault our democracy in order to preserve their places in it."

191121111319-impeachment-hearing-witnesses-split-1121-live-video.jpg

Government witnesses who testified at the House Judiciary Committee hearings. A "Trump shakedown of Ukraine."



The stink emanating from the Trump White House these days is highly toxic. Unfortunately for America, today's GOP has come to love the White House stench and Vladimir Putin's disinformation.

Every single one of those listed papers endorsed Hillary in the election and have been calling for Trumps heads since before he was elected. Their opinion is neither considered nor genuine concern, its simply more of the same partisan hackery disguised as unbiased sources of news.
 
A dozen leftist want trump impeached and we are supposed to take them seriously.

Yet support for impeachment amongst independents has fallen off a huge deal.

So pelosi and schiff do not have the support of the people.

They do not even have bipartisan support from their own party.

So everything that this leftist idiots say need to happen with impeachment is a lie. Go figure on that one.
 
Obstruction of Congress is being done so blatantly, they aren’t even pretending. “You have to have direct material witnesses to convict, and you are not allowed access to direct material witnesses” is the open, literal claim from right wingers. They believe Trump is above the law and don’t even pretend otherwise. A third of our nation thinks this way. We’re pretty ****ed.

Sorry but it is 100% legal to fight subpoenas.
 
A dozen leftist want trump impeached and we are supposed to take them seriously.

Yet support for impeachment amongst independents has fallen off a huge deal.

So pelosi and schiff do not have the support of the people.

They do not even have bipartisan support from their own party.

So everything that this leftist idiots say need to happen with impeachment is a lie. Go figure on that one.
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I assumed you meant "partisan", but regardless the Dems are strongly united in impeaching Trump. They will likely lose no more than 3-4.
 
‘We’ve seen enough’: More than a dozen editorial boards call for Trump’s impeachment

The Columbus Dispatch blasted Republicans who called the impeachment inquiry unconstitutional, saying they are “willing to assault our democracy in order to preserve their places in it."

191121111319-impeachment-hearing-witnesses-split-1121-live-video.jpg

Government witnesses who testified at the House Judiciary Committee hearings. A "Trump shakedown of Ukraine."



The stink emanating from the Trump White House these days is highly toxic. Unfortunately for America, today's GOP has come to love the White House stench and Vladimir Putin's disinformation.

Unless something critical happens between now and the Senate trial, then we may as well resign ourselves to the fact that our democracy as we knew it, is dead. We will have a 'almost' democracy insomuch as we will continue to refer to our government a 'democracy' (it's a habit) but in fact it will be nothing more than a shell post-democracy.

Politicians will ignore any undesirable outcome of a referendum or opinion poll because it won't matter. Xenophobia will be prevalent. Foreign governments will have no restriction on how they manipulate our elections whether it's through force, coercion or payoffs. Private interests will be increasingly influential in public policies. People will still vote as though we're still a democracy, for a while anyway. But, those votes won't matter one bit.

It'll take people a little while, not long, to understand what has transpired with their support, but they will indeed understand it sooner or later. But get used to living under a monarchy because if it's not Trump, it will be someone else. Countries and other cultures have struggled for democracy for hundreds of years without success. Look at those countries and learn something, once it's lost, we're never getting it back.
 
Every single one of those listed papers endorsed Hillary in the election and have been calling for Trumps heads since before he was elected. Their opinion is neither considered nor genuine concern, its simply more of the same partisan hackery disguised as unbiased sources of news.

If you lived in the 1930's, I am sure you'd also dismiss all papers who would have wanted Hitler out during and after the elections as "partisan hackery".
 
Every single one of those listed papers endorsed Hillary in the election and have been calling for Trumps heads since before he was elected. Their opinion is neither considered nor genuine concern, its simply more of the same partisan hackery disguised as unbiased sources of news.

Give me citations for every single one of the 12 endorsing Hilary Clinton in 2016. Gordon Sondland companies donated $1,000,000 to Trump. Who are you kidding?

And their testimony was not political, it was factual.
 
If you lived in the 1930's, I am sure you'd also dismiss all papers who would have wanted Hitler out during and after the elections as "partisan hackery".

It took 8 posts to invoke Hitler. :lamo You aint got nothin do ya?
 
Give me citations for every single one of the 12 endorsing Hilary Clinton in 2016. Gordon Sondland companies donated $1,000,000 to Trump. Who are you kidding?

And their testimony was not political, it was factual.

I dont give a damn about Sondland. This impeachment has been in the works since Trump was elected and before he even got into office. Once the Democrats took control, attempting impeachment was fait accompli. There wasn't a single major paper or editorial board that endorsed Trump. In fact you would be hard pressed to find one who hasn't called for his impeachment before 2017. So yea this impeachment is bull****, and always has been.
 
Every single one of those listed papers endorsed Hillary in the election and have been calling for Trumps heads since before he was elected. Their opinion is neither considered nor genuine concern, its simply more of the same partisan hackery disguised as unbiased sources of news.

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It took 8 posts to invoke Hitler. :lamo You aint got nothin do ya?

There is nothing wrong with "invoking" Hitler when analogy holds just fine.
 
Every single one of those listed papers endorsed Hillary in the election and have been calling for Trumps heads since before he was elected. Their opinion is neither considered nor genuine concern, its simply more of the same partisan hackery disguised as unbiased sources of news.

How far do you either have to have your head buried in the sand or up trump's butt to believe that crap?

How do you explain the convictions of those around trump and his first private lawyer and campaign head both in jail? More hackery?
 
There is nothing wrong with "invoking" Hitler when analogy holds just fine.

In terms of crimes against humanity, Trump has a LOT of work to do to catch up to Obama.

:shrug:
 
A dozen leftist want trump impeached and we are supposed to take them seriously.

Yet support for impeachment amongst independents has fallen off a huge deal.

So pelosi and schiff do not have the support of the people.

They do not even have bipartisan support from their own party.

So everything that this leftist idiots say need to happen with impeachment is a lie. Go figure on that one.

It says a whole lot that these leftist rag hacks think they need to weigh in on the topic and put their fingers on the scale, instead of just reporting on the topic.
 
Editorial endorsements are perhaps the most overrated influencer of opinion known, with the possible exception of the "man on the street" interview.
 
I dont give a damn about Sondland. This impeachment has been in the works since Trump was elected and before he even got into office. Once the Democrats took control, attempting impeachment was fait accompli. There wasn't a single major paper or editorial board that endorsed Trump. In fact you would be hard pressed to find one who hasn't called for his impeachment before 2017. So yea this impeachment is bull****, and always has been.

Once Dems got the House, impeachment was certain. They just needed the right foil, and Schiff took care of that with the "whistleblower".
 
Unless something critical happens between now and the Senate trial, then we may as well resign ourselves to the fact that our democracy as we knew it, is dead. We will have a 'almost' democracy insomuch as we will continue to refer to our government a 'democracy' (it's a habit) but in fact it will be nothing more than a shell post-democracy.

Politicians will ignore any undesirable outcome of a referendum or opinion poll because it won't matter. Xenophobia will be prevalent. Foreign governments will have no restriction on how they manipulate our elections whether it's through force, coercion or payoffs. Private interests will be increasingly influential in public policies. People will still vote as though we're still a democracy, for a while anyway. But, those votes won't matter one bit.

It'll take people a little while, not long, to understand what has transpired with their support, but they will indeed understand it sooner or later. But get used to living under a monarchy because if it's not Trump, it will be someone else. Countries and other cultures have struggled for democracy for hundreds of years without success. Look at those countries and learn something, once it's lost, we're never getting it back.

The Washington Post very much had it wrong when they said Democracy dies in the darkness.

Democracy is dying full daylight and plain view to the adulation and cheering of the Trump crowd.
 
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I assumed you meant "partisan", but regardless the Dems are strongly united in impeaching Trump. They will likely lose no more than 3-4.

Your right leftist are fully partisan. Which is 100% opposite of what nadler pelosi have said about impeachment.

That impeachment is above the party and should be taken seriously and that for impeachment to go forward we needed to have bi-partisanship.

Just proves what a bunch of liars they are, but we knew that already.
 
It says a whole lot that these leftist rag hacks think they need to weigh in on the topic and put their fingers on the scale, instead of just reporting on the topic.

All the liberal rags are losing more and more viewers. CNN had its worst viewership in ages.

No one pages attention to them except the cultist.
 
:lamo

Wait...the news media is in the bag for the rat party? Thats...shocking!!!



I mean...they literally follow a ****ing script.
 
The Washington Post very much had it wrong when they said Democracy dies in the darkness.

Democracy is dying full daylight and plain view to the adulation and cheering of the Trump crowd.

You mean leftist attempting to thwart the will of the people and remove a duly elected president on no wrong doing.

Yes it is in full day light for everyone to see.
Democrats have now proven themselves to be the toltarianists.
 
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