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Anybody else listen to Carter Page interview on Hannity?

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Holy crap, Page was a CIA agent, and a good one per his old bosses. That dossier was fake, even Steele disavowed it in court.

Comey's FBI was a biased disaster...hope these slimeballs get what's coming to them. All the way to Obama? God, I hope so.
 
Grandpappy said:
Holy crap, Page was a CIA agent, and a good one per his old bosses. That dossier was fake, even Steele disavowed it in court.

Comey's FBI was a biased disaster...hope these slimeballs get what's coming to them. All the way to Obama? God, I hope so.
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That’s why in July, Comey announced an investigation into HRC and then less than two weeks before the general election, Comey announces that the FBI will be reopening the investigation......because the fix was in for Hillary...........:screwy



PS; anyone else shocked that grandpa is a Hannity follower?
 
Rexedgar said:
That’s why in July, Comey announced an investigation into HRC and then less than two weeks before the general election, Comey announces that the FBI will be reopening the investigation......because the fix was in for Hillary...........:screwy



PS; anyone else shocked that grandpa is a Hannity follower?
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Throw a bit of slime in the mix? :doh
 
Grandpappy said:
Holy crap, Page was a CIA agent, and a good one per his old bosses. That dossier was fake, even Steele disavowed it in court.

Comey's FBI was a biased disaster...hope these slimeballs get what's coming to them. All the way to Obama? God, I hope so.
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Have you ever heard of "double agents"? Page fits the title perfectly. No one should trust anything he says. Much of what Steele wrote was verified by Muller so I suppose you think the Mueller report was fake too.
 
iguanaman said:
Have you ever heard of "double agents"? Page fits the title perfectly. No one should trust anything he says. Much of what Steele wrote was verified by Muller so I suppose you think the Mueller report was fake too.
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I don't trust what Carter Page says either. Page was an Agent, in other words, an asset for CIA. Agents are not Intelligence Officers. They are typically people that have been caught doing something not so good and are then flipped or convinced to be an asset as opposed to facing the music.

However, that does not excuse the FBI lawyer from altering a document and thus hiding Page's actually status as a CIA asset.

Frankly I don't want to know any more about this myself. There has already been far too much exposure of US Intelligence sources and methods in this whole sordid affair. I do not give a rats behind about why the FBI lawyer did what he did. As Robert Hansson is reported to have said when he was captured, "nobody cares about the reasons why". Damned right Robert. Nobody cares. They should throw the book at the FBI lawyer involved and anybody else if they were involved in altering that document identifying Page as a CIA asset. But I don't want to know a damned thing more about it other than that the FBI lawyer has been indicted and is being prosecuted.

As for the rest of it, I would leave that to Dir Wrey for now but Congress better be looking over his shoulder and I still say Domestic Intelligence should be carved out of the FBI and handed to a new agency specific to the Domestic Intelligence mission leaving Criminal Investigation to the FBI. The assets that are Domestic Intelligence assets within the FBI should be reviewed and those that pass muster moved over to the new agency with a Dir specific to the Domestic Intelligence mission.

This one agency, the FBI with its muddled dual mission has simply been overcome by events of the time. If it wasn't before 9/11, 2001 it certainly has been since then.
 
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jnug said:
I don't trust what Carter Page says either. Page was an Agent, in other words, an asset for CIA. Agents are not Intelligence Officers. They are typically people that have been caught doing something not so good and are then flipped or convinced to be an asset as opposed to facing the music.
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Federal Bureau of Investigation - Wikipedia

An asset is someone used to gather intel. That might be consciously or knowingly or otherwise. An asset might just be some bum that sleeps near an investigation. Or it might be sort of a CI. An asset could be someone that flipped. An agent is not an asset, it's an agent.

Intelligence officers are only in the military.
 
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Grandpappy said:
Holy crap, Page was a CIA agent, and a good one per his old bosses. That dossier was fake, even Steele disavowed it in court.

Comey's FBI was a biased disaster...hope these slimeballs get what's coming to them. All the way to Obama? God, I hope so.
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Don't watch Hannity, but I've known about this for more than a year.

Page worked for the government to help take down some Russians. They were finally convicted in early 2016. And then in Aug 2016 and Oct 2016, Page was used by the FBI as a means to fraudulently open a FISA investigation. The Aug 2016 application was denied. The Oct 2016 application...with the fake dossier stuff added...was granted...and the FBI was off to the races. The FISA warrant...and its subsequent renewals...enabled the FBI to wiretap EVERYONE that Page was connected to and EVERYONE that THEY were connected to. Trump was correct when he said that the Obama administration was wiretapping him and his campaign.

Page has had to keep his mouth shut about all this for all this time, but now that the IG revealed it he's able to talk about it, too.

Just think of this as the beginning of the **** hitting the fan. EVERYONE who signed off on that bogus FISA application and every one of its renewals is liable for indictment. That would be Comey, Yates, McCabe, Rosenstein.

I predict every one of them will be trying their damnest to make a deal.
 
jnug said:
I don't trust what Carter Page says either. Page was an Agent, in other words, an asset for CIA. Agents are not Intelligence Officers. They are typically people that have been caught doing something not so good and are then flipped or convinced to be an asset as opposed to facing the music.

However, that does not excuse the FBI lawyer from altering a document and thus hiding Page's actually status as a CIA asset.

Frankly I don't want to know any more about this myself. There has already been far too much exposure of US Intelligence sources and methods in this whole sordid affair. I do not give a rats behind about why the FBI lawyer did what he did. As Robert Hansson is reported to have said when he was captured, "nobody cares about the reasons why". Damned right Robert. Nobody cares. They should throw the book at the FBI lawyer involved and anybody else if they were involved in altering that document identifying Page as a CIA asset. But I don't want to know a damned thing more about it other than that the FBI lawyer has been indicted and is being prosecuted.

As for the rest of it, I would leave that to Dir Wrey for now but Congress better be looking over his shoulder and I still say Domestic Intelligence should be carved out of the FBI and handed to a new agency specific to the Domestic Intelligence mission leaving Criminal Investigation to the FBI. The assets that are Domestic Intelligence assets within the FBI should be reviewed and those that pass muster moved over to the new agency with a Dir specific to the Domestic Intelligence mission.

This one agency, the FBI with its muddled dual mission has simply been overcome by events of the time. If it wasn't before 9/11, 2001 it certainly has been since then.
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Some of those "assets" are people who voluntarily help the government because they just want to help. Page falls in that category. He has never been in any trouble. He simply helped his government take down some Russians because those Russians thought he could help them.

As for the rest of it, I want every swinging dick and tit involved in the corruption to see jail time. Just "fixing" things in the DOJ and FBI needs to be done, but isn't enough. Those corrupt Obama administration and Trump administration pukes need to be held responsible for their actions.

I also want Chief Justice Roberts to raise holy hell with his FISA judges. They need to question EVERYTHING the FBI brings before them. They've become way too lax and let this stuff happen.
 
Grandpappy said:
Holy crap, Page was a CIA agent, and a good one per his old bosses. That dossier was fake, even Steele disavowed it in court.

Comey's FBI was a biased disaster...hope these slimeballs get what's coming to them. All the way to Obama? God, I hope so.
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But Steele was friends with Ivanka... Who should GrandPappy believe, the Trump family and their friends or lying scumbag traitors who whine on Fox News? Is there a difference?
 
Mycroft said:
Some of those "assets" are people who voluntarily help the government because they just want to help. Page falls in that category. He has never been in any trouble. He simply helped his government take down some Russians because those Russians thought he could help them.

As for the rest of it, I want every swinging dick and tit involved in the corruption to see jail time. Just "fixing" things in the DOJ and FBI needs to be done, but isn't enough. Those corrupt Obama administration and Trump administration pukes need to be held responsible for their actions.

I also want Chief Justice Roberts to raise holy hell with his FISA judges. They need to question EVERYTHING the FBI brings before them. They've become way too lax and let this stuff happen.
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A) how do you know what Carter Page is or is not and what he has or has not done.
B) Judges should simply "judge" what comes before them as sufficient for a Warrant or not. Its up to the agency to keep a clean house.

It is certainly known that FBI Officers in certain circumstances have "raw dogged" surveillances without benefit of any warrant at all and then retraced their steps in order to secure an actual FISA Warrant. What is a judge supposed to do about an Officer that is not even operating with benefit of a warrant, never having come before a Judge to seek one in the first place?

The agency has much to clean up and as I stated earlier I do not believe it is the country's best interest for the FBI to remain responsible for both Domestic Intelligence and Criminal Investigation.

It never made sense for so much focus to be on the Judges. Its like nobody ever thought to determine if the material in the Warrant was arrived at through legitimate means. Even when the percentage of Warrants granted was rather high the response was never "gee what is the genesis for these warrants". Instead it was always "gee is there something wrong with these Judges". That was never the right place to look and it never produced any improvements worth talking about no matter how much emphasis was put on the Judges themselves.
 
Grandpappy said:
Holy crap, Page was a CIA agent, and a good one per his old bosses. That dossier was fake, even Steele disavowed it in court.

Comey's FBI was a biased disaster...hope these slimeballs get what's coming to them. All the way to Obama? God, I hope so.
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u hope so?

we know so. there are memos that prove that.

But the Rs are too polite to put the criminals in jail... except when the criminals are just everyday Americans.. then it's NO PROBLEM
 
iguanaman said:
Have you ever heard of "double agents"? Page fits the title perfectly. No one should trust anything he says. Much of what Steele wrote was verified by Muller so I suppose you think the Mueller report was fake too.
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yeh but we should trust Liar of the Year Schiffty

and "Impeachment should be bipartisan" Pelosi

please
 
iguanaman said:
Have you ever heard of "double agents"? Page fits the title perfectly. No one should trust anything he says. Much of what Steele wrote was verified by Muller so I suppose you think the Mueller report was fake too.
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Is that why he potentially showed up on "Mr. Sulu's security monitor?"
 
Grandpappy said:
Holy crap, Page was a CIA agent, and a good one per his old bosses. That dossier was fake, even Steele disavowed it in court.

Comey's FBI was a biased disaster...hope these slimeballs get what's coming to them. All the way to Obama? God, I hope so.
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Why would anyone take Carter Page or Sham Hammity seriously?????

And Page was not a CIA agent. He was approached about working for the Russians, which he continued to do.
 
jnug said:
A) how do you know what Carter Page is or is not and what he has or has not done.
B) Judges should simply "judge" what comes before them as sufficient for a Warrant or not. Its up to the agency to keep a clean house.

It is certainly known that FBI Officers in certain circumstances have "raw dogged" surveillances without benefit of any warrant at all and then retraced their steps in order to secure an actual FISA Warrant. What is a judge supposed to do about an Officer that is not even operating with benefit of a warrant, never having come before a Judge to seek one in the first place?

The agency has much to clean up and as I stated earlier I do not believe it is the country's best interest for the FBI to remain responsible for both Domestic Intelligence and Criminal Investigation.

It never made sense for so much focus to be on the Judges. Its like nobody ever thought to determine if the material in the Warrant was arrived at through legitimate means. Even when the percentage of Warrants granted was rather high the response was never "gee what is the genesis for these warrants". Instead it was always "gee is there something wrong with these Judges". That was never the right place to look and it never produced any improvements worth talking about no matter how much emphasis was put on the Judges themselves.
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Don’t bother, He made most of it up.

The rest is the same catalog of right wing lies that the TRumpser media has used to peddle it’s now discredited claim that the “dossier” was the source of the investigation into Trump’s collusion with the Russians.
 
Why should we confide in the sincerity of the right wing or their mostly useless policies that have mostly nothing to do with our general welfare?
 
jnug said:
A) how do you know what Carter Page is or is not and what he has or has not done.
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How? I don't rely on mainstream media. I get information from a wide variety of sources...including public court records. That way I avoid the spin and nonsense from the multimedia echo chamber.

Evgeny Buryakov Pleads Guilty In Manhattan Federal Court In Connection With Conspiracy To Work For Russian Intelligence | USAO-SDNY | Department of Justice

B) Judges should simply "judge" what comes before them as sufficient for a Warrant or not. Its up to the agency to keep a clean house.
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In regard to this corrupt Carter Page FISA nonsense, the judge just accepting what the pukes put before them allowed this criminal action to happen. We need judges who won't do that. We need judges who won't let this corruption to happen again.

It is certainly known that FBI Officers in certain circumstances have "raw dogged" surveillances without benefit of any warrant at all and then retraced their steps in order to secure an actual FISA Warrant. What is a judge supposed to do about an Officer that is not even operating with benefit of a warrant, never having come before a Judge to seek one in the first place?

The agency has much to clean up and as I stated earlier I do not believe it is the country's best interest for the FBI to remain responsible for both Domestic Intelligence and Criminal Investigation.

It never made sense for so much focus to be on the Judges. Its like nobody ever thought to determine if the material in the Warrant was arrived at through legitimate means. Even when the percentage of Warrants granted was rather high the response was never "gee what is the genesis for these warrants". Instead it was always "gee is there something wrong with these Judges". That was never the right place to look and it never produced any improvements worth talking about no matter how much emphasis was put on the Judges themselves.
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One thing we've learned is that we cannot trust the people in charge of the FBI when it comes to FISA warrants. Changing some rules and procedures isn't enough.
 
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Mycroft said:
How? I don't rely on mainstream media. I get information from a wide variety of sources...including public court records. That way I avoid the spin and nonsense from the multimedia echo chamber.

Evgeny Buryakov Pleads Guilty In Manhattan Federal Court In Connection With Conspiracy To Work For Russian Intelligence | USAO-SDNY | Department of Justice



In regard to this corrupt Carter Page FISA nonsense, the judge just accepting what the pukes put before them allowed this criminal action to happen. We need judges who won't do that. We need judges who won't let this corruption to happen again.



One thing we've learned is that we cannot trust the people in charge of the FBI when it comes to FISA warrants. Changing some rules and procedures isn't enough.
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And what would you like the judges to do....determine if the Officer is a Dem and the target is a Republican? Determine if the Officer's wife is politically active in one party vs another?

Its the agency that needs to keep its Officers in line, not the Judges. The Judges have a specific job and they should do it. The Judges should look at the material laid before them and if it meets the standard then allow the Warrant. The AGENCY should not care what an agent is or is not either. He can be a giraffe for all I care as long as his performance is at a consistently high level based not just on the results of his work but the quality of his work which a Judge is simply not going to see with enough regularity to know anything worth knowing. A Judge is going to see the material laid before him, not the face of the Officer nor the background of the officer.

The Agency needs to be the arbiter of Officer performance and the Congress should conduct its Oversight function in that regard. That is enough cooks in the kitchen if they are all doing their job which is in part why I want Domestic Intel cut entirely out of the FBI and into a new focused agency with focused leadership and a focused mission.

I will try to do more research on Page to see what I can see. It should be understood though that the good samaritan that just calls US Intel out of the goodness of his heart and patriotism offering himself as an agent is a rare bird and often looked at quizzically for obvious reasons.
 
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Rexedgar said:
That’s why in July, Comey announced an investigation into HRC and then less than two weeks before the general election, Comey announces that the FBI will be reopening the investigation......because the fix was in for Hillary...........:screwy



PS; anyone else shocked that grandpa is a Hannity follower?
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He did that to cover ass, so it didn't come back to bite them, after her guaranteed win. Comey never believed there was any way she could lose.
 
apdst said:
He did that to cover ass, so it didn't come back to bite them, after her guaranteed win. Comey never believed there was any way she could lose.
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Comey has a God complex. People with a God complex should NEVER be allowed to a position of responsibility with little to no supervision. Comey should never have made it past Dep.Dir and maybe should not have even gotten that far.
 
jnug said:
Comey has a God complex. People with a God complex should NEVER be allowed to a position of responsibility with little to no supervision. Comey should never have made it past Dep.Dir and maybe should not have even gotten that far.
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Comey was sucking up to Clinton because he knew the election was rigged in her favor.
 
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