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Pence refuses to release his phone call with President of Ukraine

Paradoxical said:
Because the interference by Russia was minimal. It amounted to placement of a few ads on Facebook. Your government wants you think Russia wanted Trump to win, when it was Hillary they wanted.

By the way, has anyone seen these Russian ads or are we just supposed t believe Weismann who wrote the report. I haven't. Have you? Has anyone?
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I don’t know if it was minimal. Are you from another country as you refer to my government. All of our intelligence says interference is still going on. So are they making it up? Dems wanted Hillary to win, but certainly not republicans
 
Carleen said:
I don’t know if it was minimal. Are you from another country as you refer to my government. All of our intelligence says interference is still going on. So are they making it up? Dems wanted Hillary to win, but certainly not republicans
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Clapper, Brenna, Comey and others are known liars and cannot be trusted. Neither can our intelligence agencies. They are corrupt.
 
Paradoxical said:
Someone gave a link to an article yesterday that I took the time to read. The writer was good enough to state that he gets paid to write articles for CNN. It was rather long but I read it all because I was spellbound and amazed that he was accusing FOX of doing what CNN does. Almost every sentence he wrote was about CNN and in his mind CNN was pure and holy but FX hosts continually lied.

So, my point is that there is a disconnect with reality of liberals/leftists/progressives/socialists who fabricate things so often that they get to a point where they believe their own lies. It's sad that humans do this.
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Can you link that article so we can all read it?
 
Airyaman said:
What does impeachment have to do with people who elected him in 2016? He committed his impeachable acts in 2019 (if you ignore all of the others prior to that).
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Here, Here!!
 
nothing makes me happier than watching "republicans", who have forever preached about law and order and small government and to fear King Obama and to never trust politicians and the importance of checks and balances go and completely trash everything they "said" they held dear for this...


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Lisa said:
Do you understand how the electoral college works?
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It's apparent that he only understands RW trolling and nothing else.
 
HumblePi said:
Can you link that article so we can all read it?
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It was in a different thread. The intent was to portray Trump in a bad light because manufacturing jobs had gone down by a whopping 2,000

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...-manufacturing-now-its-decline-what-happened/

Here is my post to the poster:
Classic case of someone ignoring the facts in my post. Let me shorten it for the rest.
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An article by the left wing Markets Insider, part of Business Insider makes readers think they are a business site when they are a political one who hate Donald Trump. Instead of saying there was a slight reduction of 2000 manufacturing jobs this month from the whopping 314,000 jobs that were created under the masterful leadership of Donald J Trump, they leave all of that in order to continue to spew hatred for Trump. The headline reads:

We just got the latest sign the US is losing manufacturing jobs — the opposite of what Trump's trade wars were supposed to accomplish

When it should have read:

There was a slight downturn in manufacturing jobs last month of just 2,000 from the 314,000 already created.

THIS is a classic example of how those who have websites or TV shows manipulate the populace to such an extent that someone would then post that on a debate site apparently without reading the article himself. We, the public, have to be vigilant in combating the false narratives put out by leftists.
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I hope this helps to demonstrate to you that the media is dishonest ad corrupt.
 
Paradoxical said:
sorry but three heavily vetted progressive/feminist "scholars" don't get to change what the constitution says.
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The Constitution says you have to be impeached if you engage in abuse of power High crimes and misdemeanors. 17 Foreign Service Personnel risking perjury and incarceration Under oath testified that he did these things.

Last time I checked the will of the people supports the Constitution
The will of the people elected Democrats to take over the house to keep an eye on on Trump and to do the right thing according to the laws of the land and the Constitution
And to protect America from abusers of power like Trump who seek to destroy democracy

He committed obstruction and contempt of congress by directing his entire staff and all the fact Witnesses not to testify. That he did this is an incontrovertible and undisputable fact.

Why would he do that? I'll tell you why because if they had to testify under oath they would have to lie protect Trump.
 
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Paradoxical said:
I knew this. Most progressives/leftists/socialists hate America and its constitution but won't admit it. So, I am going to give your post a BIG "like" for having the courage to admit you want America to be like Europe, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran and all those other countries who treat people like they are babies who can't fend for themselves.
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Actually I was talking about Airyaman. He's done more than enough to show that he doesn't give a **** about the constitution, unless it can be used to serve his agenda.

He's just another one of those "Orange man bad" 24/7 deals.

No hard feelings though. I should've worded my last post more directly.
 
independentusa said:
Mike Pence Refuses To Release His Own Call With Ukraine's President | HuffPost
I guess Pence thinks he can do so since the DOJ run by Barr will never do anything about it even if he is found in contempt of congress. Just so all of you out there know that do not know, the Vice president does not have executive privilege. And when did a Vice president's lawyer get to decide what information Congress can and can not request. It is simply the GOP and Trump saying we control everything and you can do nothing to stop us. Our constitution is being nullified in big chunks by Trump and the GOP and Trumpsters just do not care as long as they can poke their fingers into the eyes of the Dems and the libs.
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Right out of the Obama, Lynch, Holder, and Brennan playbook.

Smart move.
 
Paradoxical said:
Clapper, Brenna, Comey and others are known liars and cannot be trusted. Neither can our intelligence agencies. They are corrupt.
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If they are, they are getting away with it just like Trump is. Trump is the biggest liar of the all.
 
OscarLevant said:
The Constitution says you have to be impeached if you engage in abuse of power High crimes and misdemeanors. 17 Foreign Service Personnel risking perjury and incarceration Under oath testified that he did these things.

Last time I checked the will of the people supports the Constitution
The will of the people elected Democrats to take over the house to keep an eye on on Trump and to do the right thing according to the laws of the land and the Constitution
And to protect America from abusers of power like Trump who seek to destroy democracy

He committed obstruction and contempt of congress by directing his entire staff and all the fact Witnesses not to testify. That he did this is an incontrovertible and undisputable fact.

Why would he do that? I'll tell you why because if they had to testify under oath they would have to lie protect Trump.
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Please find the bolded above for me in the constitution.
 
Paradoxical said:
Please find the bolded above for me in the constitution.
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You're nitpicking, abuse of power is sufficient grounds for impeachment. It falls within the purview of "High crimes and misdemeanors".

The Constitution cannot possibly prove a complete inventory of every transgression a nefarious, devious, and clever human can commit as President, which is why we have the federalist papers, to give us what the framers had in mind on many of it's salient points.


If you are implying that because the specific phrase, "abuse of power" is not mentioned specifically in the Constitution, therefore, abuse of power cannot be used against the president in order to impeach, that position is profoundly ridiculous.

Much of the language of impeachment has evolved from British Parliament and English common law on the nature of "high crimes and misdemeanors" which gave rise to the federalist papers to give us more detail on what the framers had in mind with regard to the Constitution.

Alexander Hamilton’s Federalist Paper No. 65, in which he explains the impeachment process. “The subjects of its jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust,” Hamilton wrote in 1788.
 
Carleen said:
No, Trump’s tweets tell me so.
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Ronald Reagan had to use television to get his message because even at that time there was an evil press out to get him. Not as bad as we see today but bad. He would go on TV with charts and such amd present his case. He was a very effective communicator. Trump uses Twitter. It's the only way he can combat the evil ones looking to dethrone him at CNN and MSNBS, the two worst of Pravda stations who are just an extension of the Democrat party.
 
You have to wonder if Pence has always been this crooked or if he's just following orders.
 
Paradoxical said:
Ronald Reagan had to use television to get his message because even at that time there was an evil press out to get him. Not as bad as we see today but bad. He would go on TV with charts and such amd present his case. He was a very effective communicator. Trump uses Twitter. It's the only way he can combat the evil ones looking to dethrone him at CNN and MSNBS, the two worst of Pravda stations who are just an extension of the Democrat party.
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Probably because they are owned by democrats and the press has always been biased Thomas Jefferson would complain about them also...So I have no idea where and why you think the press has never been biased.You allusion they are Pravda just proves your bias.
 
CaughtInThe said:
You have to wonder if Pence has always been this crooked or if he's just following orders.
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They are playing like Nixon did and his tape recordings and when he was forced to turn them over there were erased sections of the tapes. No one hides information if they are innocent.
 
OscarLevant said:
You're nitpicking, abuse of power is sufficient grounds for impeachment. It falls within the purview of "High crimes and misdemeanors".

The Constitution cannot possibly prove a complete inventory of every transgression a nefarious, devious, and clever human can commit as President, which is why we have the federalist papers, to give us what the framers had in mind on many of it's salient points.


If you are implying that because the specific phrase, "abuse of power" is not mentioned specifically in the Constitution, therefore, abuse of power cannot be used against the president in order to impeach, that position is profoundly ridiculous.

Much of the language of impeachment has evolved from British Parliament and English common law on the nature of "high crimes and misdemeanors" which gave rise to the federalist papers to give us more detail on what the framers had in mind with regard to the Constitution.

Alexander Hamilton’s Federalist Paper No. 65, in which he explains the impeachment process. “The subjects of its jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust,” Hamilton wrote in 1788.
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That's EXACTLY what I am saying and you are ignoring the opinion of the constitutional scholar Turley. If it was allowed to stand (abuse of power) the ones who would abuse their power would be Congress who would call disagreements with their policy "abuse of power". Congress has the notion they can run roughshod over the presidency. They need to be slapped down. I can think of several examples of where Congress could have impeached Obama by simply declaring his actions "abuse of power" and then issuing subpoenas for anyone and everyone he ever talked to.It's crazy.
 
Moonglow said:
Probably because they are owned by democrats and the press has always been biased Thomas Jefferson would complain about them also...So I have no idea where and why you think the press has never been biased.You allusion they are Pravda just proves your bias.
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The bias of 40 years ago was minimal compared to what we see today. We have people in suits and dresses doing 24/7 hate speech. Back then, there was no 24/7 news. It was on for about an hour and people would basically read what the news was without giving their opinions. Today, news people think it's their duty to bring down a sitting president unless it is a Democrat one.
 
Moonglow said:
They are playing like Nixon did and his tape recordings and when he was forced to turn them over there were erased sections of the tapes. No one hides information if they are innocent.
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i love that these "Law & Order" Republicans wanna lock up every dude that steals a bottle of liquor in Baltimore or Chicago or Oakland but can't find enough integrity to demand that politicians be transparent to the people they actually serve.
 
Paradoxical said:
The bias of 40 years ago was minimal compared to what we see today. We have people in suits and dresses doing 24/7 hate speech. Back then, there was no 24/7 news. It was on for about an hour and people would basically read what the news was without giving their opinions. Today, news people think it's their duty to bring down a sitting president unless it is a Democrat one.
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I get it you hate capitalism.
 
Moonglow said:
I get it you hate capitalism.
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I love capitalism but I hate when people lie and deceive. CNN and MSNBC are just branches of the Democratic party. We are supposed to have a free press and a fair press. I am OK with what they do but they shouldn't whine about having a seat at news conferences. Frankly, I think The National Enquirer is more believable.
 
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