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    Impeach Trump. Save America.

    Impeach Trump. Save America.

    It is the only thing to do if our country’s democracy is to survive.


    Out steps Trump from the heart of darkness.

    By Thomas Friedman
    Impeaching a president is the most consequential thing our Congress can do — other than declaring war. So, after great consideration, I say: President Trump not only should be impeached, he must be impeached if America’s democracy is to remain intact. Why? Because the facts here are not in doubt — indeed Trump’s allies in the media and Congress have largely given up disputing them. Generally speaking, I believe presidents should be elected and removed by the voters at the polls. But when I hear Trump defenders scream, “Impeachment subverts the will of the people,” I say: “Really? What the hell do you think Trump was doing in Ukraine?” He was subverting the will of the people by scheming to use our tax dollars to knock out his most feared opponent in the coming election — rather than trusting voters to do that. The only reason the plot was aborted was that a whistle-blower from the intelligence community drew attention to the president’s plan, forcing him to release the money to Ukraine — moments before his shakedown exploded into public view. Trump was like a bank robber with a gun to a teller’s head, who suddenly heard the police sirens approaching and ran off before he could stash the money in his bag. So while the founders wanted to reserve removal of a president for elections by the people, they understood that there could be situations when removing a president might be necessary to protect and preserve our very framework for holding free and fair elections. That framework is the Constitution and the rule of law — and this is one of those situations.

    If we say, as Republicans do, that what Trump did is not an impeachable offense, we are telling ourselves and every future president that — in direct contradiction of what the founders wrote in the Constitution — it is O.K. to enlist a foreign power to tilt the election your way. Can you imagine how much money candidates could raise from Saudi Arabia or China to tilt a future election their way, or how many cyber-warriors they could enlist from Russia or Iran to create fake news, suppress voting or spur outrage? The integrity of our elections would be shattered, and we would never again have a legitimate president — a president, who, whether or not you liked him or her, was at least seen as legitimately elected. If Congress were to do what Republicans demand — forgo impeaching this president for enlisting a foreign power to get him elected, after he refused to hand over any of the documents that Congress had requested and blocked all of his key aides who knew what happened from testifying — we would be saying that a president is henceforth above the law. We would be saying that we no longer have three coequal branches of government. We would be saying that we no longer have a separation of powers. We would be saying that our president is now a king. If we do that, the America you studied in history class, the America you grew up knowing and loving, and the America that the rest of the world has so long admired as a beacon of democracy and justice will be no more. Oh, how we will miss it when it’s gone.
    Although impeaching Trump is the politically confounding thing to do, impeachment is the moral, ethical, and patriotic thing to do at this time.

    I believe History will view the coming year as a defining one for America. Either we return to our cherished values, or we will witness the horrible subversion of our 243 year old Republic.


    Unless some Senate Republicans break ranks, this won't be a trial — it will be a cover-up.

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    Impeach warren because she is a white lair


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    Re: Impeach Trump. Save America.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRepublican View Post
    Impeach warren because she is a white lair.
    If Trump is allowed to enlist/strong-arm foreign nations to meddle in our elections, we will be trading the values of Madison for the values of Moscow.


    Unless some Senate Republicans break ranks, this won't be a trial — it will be a cover-up.

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    Re: Impeach Trump. Save America.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRepublican View Post
    Impeach warren because she is a white lair


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    A white lair? Oye!

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    Re: Impeach Trump. Save America.

    Trump will still be president when all is said and done. I will also enjoy the liberal tears in 2020 when Trump is reelected.

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    Trump's better than anything the Dims have to offer. Not that it's any kind of endorsement by me.

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    Re: Impeach Trump. Save America.

    David pakman lays out exactly what trump is doing. Look at this insanity.
    #BDS

    No forgiveness here remains.

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    Re: Impeach Trump. Save America.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Impeach Trump. Save America.

    It is the only thing to do if our country’s democracy is to survive.


    Out steps Trump from the heart of darkness.



    Although impeaching Trump is the politically confounding thing to do, impeachment is the moral, ethical, and patriotic thing to do at this time.

    I believe History will view the coming year as a defining one for America. Either we return to our cherished values, or we will witness the horrible subversion of our 243 year old Republic.
    This is backwards. This whole process is what's damaging America, not the other way around. The blind and rabid hatred people hold for Trump is causing them to be OK with the undermining of fundamental institutions in the U.S. Hell, we just had a POS Congressman release cellphone data of his political opposition and people were actually OK with that. This is ridiculous.
    “There are no self-proclaimed villains, only regiments of self-proclaimed saints. Victorious historians rule where good or evil lies.” ― Glen Cook, Chronicles of the Black Company

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    Re: Impeach Trump. Save America.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishking View Post
    This is backwards. This whole process is what's damaging America, not the other way around. The blind and rabid hatred people hold for Trump is causing them to be OK with the undermining of fundamental institutions in the U.S. Hell, we just had a POS Congressman release cellphone data of his political opposition and people were actually OK with that. This is ridiculous.
    Oh ffs. Trump doxxed lindsay Graham so spare us your fake ass bull**** outrage.
    #BDS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    Oh ffs. Trump doxxed lindsay Graham so spare us your fake ass bull**** outrage.
    It's telling you cannot distinguish between the government using surveillance apparatuses and w/e you're talking about, unless you're saying that Trump used intelligence agencies to get info on Graham to release info on him. What a stupid post. You should go sit in a corner and think about what you did.
    “There are no self-proclaimed villains, only regiments of self-proclaimed saints. Victorious historians rule where good or evil lies.” ― Glen Cook, Chronicles of the Black Company

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