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Impeach Trump. Save America.

Craig234 said:
Wrong again.
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The prosecutor you speak is current not of past, him not looking into the bidens already proves my point no one looked there except the guy who was fired, and fyi the guy you linked brought up ukraine firing the guy investigating burisma, again, this time for cbecause he did not pass a test, however it is odd everyone who actually investigates the company get's fired.

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Athanasius68 said:
Downer said that PapaD said that Mifsud said that some Russians said there were other Russians who have incriminating evidence on Clinton.
That was it. The basis for starting the investigation.
It's much weaker than what Trump had against Biden.

It's not a distraction from impeachment to point this out. It's an argument of how weak the impeachment argument truly is.
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Ahh, the "basis for the investigation", Judge Amy Jackson, at Rick Gates's sentencing, weighs in on that point, with evidence for her conclusion


 
Athanasius68 said:
Since we are proposing to impeach a president over his allegedly wanting a presidential candidate investigated.
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That's not a precedent making presidents immune to investigations.
 
beerftw said:
The first one covers burisma's current investigation, which should not focus on biden but rather over a decade, the fact it only focuses pre biden raises questions about prosecution.

On the latter he was the only one investigating burisma, and antac, and got fired shortly after getting approved to investigate antac and going hot and heavy against burisma, for being fired for not propsecuting those they sure seemed to wait until the investigation started and said nothing about every single prosecutor after not prosecuting them, and it also does not explain the claims the us embassy sent a no prosecute list which included antpac which was funded directly by thee obama state department as well as other foreign entities.


This again comes to firing the only person prosecuting for not prosecuting while supporting those who flat out refused to prosecute. Shokin could be gotten on his covering for prosecutors under him extorting money and diamons and blocking prosecuting his prosecutors, however getting him for not prosecuting seems to be a blatent lie, as he was actively prosecuting what the obama admin said he was not, and got fired shortly after starting prosecution while his replacement ended all prosecutions in that area.
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There was no investigation into barista when shokin was fired, it is a flat out lie to say Biden got him fired to protect his son...
 
beerftw said:
The prosecutor you speak is current not of past, him not looking into the bidens already proves my point no one looked there except the guy who was fired
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Because there is no reason to - the previous corrupt prosecutor had only brought up claims because Giuliani told him to IIUC.

, and fyi the guy you linked brought up ukraine firing the guy investigating burisma, again, this time for cbecause he did not pass a test, however it is odd everyone who actually investigates the company get's fired.
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Yes, there's not anything clearly wrong with that. The company and its founder are still being investigated.
 
Robertinfremont said:
How can the legally elected president have a cult? Was it a cult for Obama? When the school children were taught by teachers to praise Obama, honor Obama and perhaps pray for Obama, that was a cult???
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His being 'legally elected' - which he wasn't, the Russian crimes made the difference - has nothing to do with his supporters being a cult. You could say Obama had a bit of a cult, but it was nothing like trump's. Obama could not and did not tell his supporters if he murdered someone they would all keep supporting him. Schoolteachers - respect for the president is normal, until trump.
 
Craig234 said:
His being 'legally elected' - which he wasn't, the Russian crimes made the difference - has nothing to do with his supporters being a cult. You could say Obama had a bit of a cult, but it was nothing like trump's. Obama could not and did not tell his supporters if he murdered someone they would all keep supporting him. Schoolteachers - respect for the president is normal, until trump.
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Trump rephrased somebody else's quote and that made Democrats upset, based on reading this old complaint but we heard everything he said. The media flat out misspoke.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Trump rephrased somebody else's quote and that made Democrats upset, based on reading this old complaint but we heard everything he said. The media flat out misspoke.
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I don't know what you're talking about, but it doesn't look like my post.
 
GDViking said:
There was no investigation into barista when shokin was fired, it is a flat out lie to say Biden got him fired to protect his son...
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There actually was an investigation when shokin was fired, to say otherwise would be to ignore all evidwence available and make up your own. whether the investigation was pushed to a proper extent would be a different story.
However the firing of shokin came right after the ukrainian courts approved an investigation for shokin to investigate antpac over improper use of funding, and antpac was directly funded by the state department.

So shokin was not just investigating burisma but also antpac, so one company and one org with ties to the united states politicians and govt, and he got fired, and the replacement ended those investigations immedietly. Case and point biden nor his son were ever investigated, so calling it debunked is the most blatent lie, rather the investigation was blocked and continues to be blocked to this day, let's hold biden and the obama state department to the standars you want to hold trump to, if they are innocent why are they going to every extreme on earth to prevent an investigation, or are investigations only acceptable against trump and republicans but everyone else is immune from the law?
 
Craig234 said:
Because there is no reason to - the previous corrupt prosecutor had only brought up claims because Giuliani told him to IIUC.



Yes, there's not anything clearly wrong with that. The company and its founder are still being investigated.
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You just keep backing my point biden was not investigated nor was his son, and you keep running to him not blocked from investigation equals all claims against him are debunked then run to trumps lawyer like his injection into the matter makes all witness testimony non credible.

Let's treat biden like we did trump, he is guilty we just do not know of what, but let's launch a bunch of investigations to find out, oh but wait he is a democrat everything you demand of trump magically does not apply and you demand a different standard of justice be held to democrats than to trump and republicans.
 
beerftw said:
You just keep backing my point biden was not investigated nor was his son, and you keep running to him not blocked from investigation equals all claims against him are debunked then run to trumps lawyer like his injection into the matter makes all witness testimony non credible.

Let's treat biden like we did trump, he is guilty we just do not know of what, but let's launch a bunch of investigations to find out, oh but wait he is a democrat everything you demand of trump magically does not apply and you demand a different standard of justice be held to democrats than to trump and republicans.
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Let's treat you like Biden. You are guilty of murder - you haven't been investigated for it yet.

trump's investigations have been because of probably cause to investigate. The impeachment just now? Whistleblower, CIA IG confirms the report is credible, THEN the investigations start?
 
Rogue Valley said:
Impeach Trump. Save America.

It is the only thing to do if our country’s democracy is to survive.

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Out steps Trump from the heart of darkness.



Although impeaching Trump is the politically confounding thing to do, impeachment is the moral, ethical, and patriotic thing to do at this time.

I believe History will view the coming year as a defining one for America. Either we return to our cherished values, or we will witness the horrible subversion of our 243 year old Republic.
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America will survive Trump, just without it's former greatness. Trump has made sure of that by proving to the world that American leadership cannot and should not be trusted.

And Trump has made America a world wide laughing stock, so anyone who wanted that has to be happy.
 
beerftw said:
Let's treat biden like we did trump, he is guilty we just do not know of what, but let's launch a bunch of investigations to find out,
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But that's not the way Trump was treated.

The independent party in charge believed the whistleblower was credible, and that started this whole thing. Can you provide a link to an independent party in charge who had a WB come to them with believable claims about the Biden's?

oh but wait he is a democrat everything you demand of trump magically does not apply
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That is just your fantasy. Credible witness after credible witness, some Trump appointees, came forward and said there was quid pro quo to extort Ukrainian interference in the American 2020 election.

Where is the credible whistleblower, where are the credible witnesses, some Biden appointees making the claims that Biden was extorting a foreign government to interfere in an American election on his behalf or doing something similar?

AFAIK, they don't exist, but if they do, I would be very interested in learning about them, so please provide the links to reputable sources.

...you demand a different standard of justice be held to democrats than to trump and republicans.
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I think this is more of your fantasy, you playing the victim card, but please, provide the links requested above proving me wrong. I'll be the first to apologize if I'm incorrect.
 
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Rogue Valley said:
If Trump is allowed to enlist/strong-arm foreign nations to meddle in our elections, we will be trading the values of Madison for the values of Moscow.
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Putin and trump both flirted with the idea publicly of staying in office beyond their legally allowed terms. In the same week I believe. These guys are lovers in a bromance and we want none of it. Their secret conversations are a lot more concerning now and it should by no means be allowed to happen again.

My hunch is that the Russian collusion really did happen but both trump and Putin are versed in ways to evade detection.

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Craig234 said:
Let's treat you like Biden. You are guilty of murder - you haven't been investigated for it yet.

trump's investigations have been because of probably cause to investigate. The impeachment just now? Whistleblower, CIA IG confirms the report is credible, THEN the investigations start?
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I've asked for links to reputable sources giving a credible independent body that had a credible whistleblower, and numerous witnesses, some Biden appointees, willing to say under oath that Biden was extorting a foreign government to interfere in an American elections on his behalf, or something similar.

I bet he can't come up with any. What do you think?
 
grainbelt said:
Putin and trump both flirted with the idea publicly of staying in office beyond their legally allowed terms. In the same week I believe. These guys are lovers in a bromance and we want none of it. Their secret conversations are a lot more concerning now and it should by no means be allowed to happen again.

My hunch is that the Russian collusion really did happen but both trump and Putin are versed in ways to evade detection.

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Putin certainly is, and Trump is proficient at keeping his scams hidden. Just look at how long it took to have his stealing from charity exposed.
 
Craig234 said:
Let's treat you like Biden. You are guilty of murder - you haven't been investigated for it yet.

trump's investigations have been because of probably cause to investigate. The impeachment just now? Whistleblower, CIA IG confirms the report is credible, THEN the investigations start?
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You should just rephrase that to say trump instead of biden, as your guys investigated him nonstop no matter how many investigations ended up dead.

On the biden thing there is evidence pointing his way, but people like you are demanding absolute proof before an investigation can start but no absbolute proof can be had without an investigation, ie your side is basically demanding biden or his son or ukraine or anything under obama ever be investigated, but demand trump be investigated even though no crime to date was found.

The literal phrase that pertains to you is rules for thee not for me, meaning you want to hold republicans and trump to one standard and your own side to an entirely made up standard different standard.
 
beerftw said:
You should just rephrase that to say trump instead of biden, as your guys investigated him nonstop no matter how many investigations ended up dead.

On the biden thing there is evidence pointing his way, but people like you are demanding absolute proof before an investigation can start but no absbolute proof can be had without an investigation, ie your side is basically demanding biden or his son or ukraine or anything under obama ever be investigated, but demand trump be investigated even though no crime to date was found.

The literal phrase that pertains to you is rules for thee not for me, meaning you want to hold republicans and trump to one standard and your own side to an entirely made up standard different standard.
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You don't realize your statements are dishonest, but they are. The non-partisan and partisan investigations of trump have been justified; the people doing the wrong thing for partisan reasons are Republicans who BLOCK investigations of trump's crimes.

What we want on Biden is reasonable cause, not absolute proof. You do not have reasonable cause.
 
Craig234 said:
You don't realize your statements are dishonest, but they are. The non-partisan and partisan investigations of trump have been justified; the people doing the wrong thing for partisan reasons are Republicans who BLOCK investigations of trump's crimes.

What we want on Biden is reasonable cause, not absolute proof. You do not have reasonable cause.
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Which crimes, no one has found them to date in these investigations, yet there is more solid evidence against the bidens but people demand they not look there.


Trump has been darn near investigated more than all presidents before him combined and still nothing found, that by itself screams extreme partisanship over any sort of justice.
 
beerftw said:
Which crimes, no one has found them to date in these investigations, yet there is more solid evidence against the bidens but people demand they not look there.
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I could list many trump crimes, but if you don't know by now, you don't want to and it's a waste of time. You again make allegations without evidence about Biden.

Trump has been darn near investigated more than all presidents before him combined and still nothing found, that by itself screams extreme partisanship over any sort of justice.
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Enormous amounts of criminality and wrongdoing by trump have been found. The only think keeping him out of jail is the wrongful use of a DoJ memo that he can't be arrested. Remember over a thousand DoJ officials saying the Mueller report had crimes he should be charged with?
 
Craig234 said:
I could list many trump crimes, but if you don't know by now, you don't want to and it's a waste of time. You again make allegations without evidence about Biden.



Enormous amounts of criminality and wrongdoing by trump have been found. The only think keeping him out of jail is the wrongful use of a DoJ memo that he can't be arrested. Remember over a thousand DoJ officials saying the Mueller report had crimes he should be charged with?
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Which crimes were they, because none of the investigations found them, lemme guess democrats have secret decoder rings to decipher the hidden alien language no one else can see in all the investigations or some crap saying trump is guilty?
 
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