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The difficult position Republican treason puts Democrats in

To a disinterested observer being honest with himself, it became painfully obvious that the US Justice System was corrupt and dysfunctional when the Great Chocolate Hope Barack Obama refused to investigate George Bush's lies and crimes. When Barack refused to examine the essence of what's now called the Afghanistan Papers.

You're right, but you should have added the non-prosecution for the Great Recession wall street crimes, just as Obama received the most Wall Street donations (which changed to Romney in 2012).

Reading you, I suspect there are some authors you would like, such as Glenn Greenwald and Chris Hedges.

And I would also suggest you recognize that the ONLY major political force in the country on 'the people's side' today is the Progressive wing of the Democratic Party, who are at war with the rest of the party for control of it.

That's recognizing that with our 'duopoly' you mentioned, we need 'one of the two parties' to win elections, just as the radical libertarian plutocrat right took over the Republican Party entirely, progressives need a unified Democratic Party, but they have the policies deserving to be supported.
 
First, let's review. You claimed the parties are equally guilty or at least 'both guilty' of any acts that are treasonous, using the word loosely, in nature, and I said that's wrong and you asked me to name any cases Republicans only were to blame - and you responded then by implying that if you found ANY cases both were culpable, then both were always culpable. You're still sort of doing that.

In fact, you said that all the items in my list could only happen because Democrats helped, when NONE of them needed any Democrats' help. It's hard to shake someone brainwashed into the 'both sides are equally bad' mentality to recognize they're wrong, you are showing that.

It's a little odd how you keep bringing up the patriot act, which was not on my list because, as I said, though it was a Bush initiative, both sides DID support it, and I said that, and you just keep bringing it up as if finding any case where both are responsible is the topic.

To clarify, Barbara Lee was the only vote against the *Afghanistan* war; Democrats in the House mostly voted against the authorization of force Bush used for *Iraq* (lying to Congress he wouldn't use it for war). If it had been up to Democrats' votes it would not have passed.

Both parties support our defending the Kurds in Syria, so both parties deserve credit or blame for that depending how you feel about it.

Obama did NOT embrace 'unitary executive' as much as Bush or trump. Being able to find any cases where he exceeded his power among the many he was accused of doesn't make him equally guilty of it. trump is running around saying he can do ANYTHING HE WANTS - show me Obama saying that. trump is refusing EVERY DEMAND, EVERY SUBPOENA, ALL COOPERATION with Congress to perform their oversight role - both an extreme abuse of power and impeachable - Republicans accuse Obama of occasionally not giving them all the information they wanted, often illegitimate demands, but it wasn't CLOSE to what trump is doing.

I understand how people get fixated about the 'duopoly', and it leads them to make all kinds of false equivalencies. They put 'both parties' on the 'enemy' list and want to treat them equally. It's too much effort to recognize they're not. But it's a mistake and wrong.

You can both raise legitimate 'duopoly' issues, and fight for change and reform about that issue, while also recognizing how the parties aren't the same, and the practical issue that since we HAVE that 'duopoly', you have to make at least choices about 'lesser evil' while it's the case.

How your efforts are better put at fighting FOR something like ranked choice voting, than in voting third-party acting like it doesn't matter which of the two parties get elected.

'repugnant and bankrupt' - well, it's what our system strongly encourages and has since the first presidency when the country immediately split into the Adams and Jefferson parties under Washington. And it's pretty critical voters even if they want reforms, to recognize in the meantime which party is better to support.

We agree to disagree. As to our present status of 18 years in illegitimate and undeclared wars amounting to military aggression, both parties have put us here, whether you understand that or not.

As to the numerous legislative assaults on the US Constitution that you seem to accept happily, both parties have brought us to this point, by bipartisan majorities.
 
You're right, but you should have added the non-prosecution for the Great Recession wall street crimes, just as Obama received the most Wall Street donations (which changed to Romney in 2012).

Reading you, I suspect there are some authors you would like, such as Glenn Greenwald and Chris Hedges.

And I would also suggest you recognize that the ONLY major political force in the country on 'the people's side' today is the Progressive wing of the Democratic Party, who are at war with the rest of the party for control of it.

That's recognizing that with our 'duopoly' you mentioned, we need 'one of the two parties' to win elections, just as the radical libertarian plutocrat right took over the Republican Party entirely, progressives need a unified Democratic Party, but they have the policies deserving to be supported.

Yes, I like Greenwald and Hedges and many others. I support Progressive efforts. I also support Libertarian efforts, however feeble both may be.

I favor universal healthcare, forgiving debt for education. I favor some sort of wealth tax. I am inspired by young leaders like AOC and Tulsi Gabbard. I admire Warren's efforts to reign in Wall Street abuses, and I don't give a damn if she is a multi-millionaire. I have nothing against regulated capitalism, but I consider our present system to be fascism, straight up.
 
We agree to disagree. As to our present status of 18 years in illegitimate and undeclared wars amounting to military aggression, both parties have put us here, whether you understand that or not.

Right or wrong, 'whether you understand this or not', Bush got us in Afghanistan with both parties' and the American people's support; Obama kept us there with both parties' support; Bush got us in Iraq WITHOUT the Democratic party's support (he got the Senate but not the House); Obama got us out.

As to the numerous legislative assaults on the US Constitution that you seem to accept happily, both parties have brought us to this point, by bipartisan majorities.

You're not speaking in good faith. You don't get to make a claim that Republicans never betrayed the country without Democrats also being guilty, and then when you lose that change the question to whether both parties were ever both guilty in any case. And your 'legislative assaults I'm happy with' is dishonest, so no surprise you give no specifics.
 
Right or wrong, 'whether you understand this or not', Bush got us in Afghanistan with both parties' and the American people's support; Obama kept us there with both parties' support; Bush got us in Iraq WITHOUT the Democratic party's support (he got the Senate but not the House); Obama got us out.



You're not speaking in good faith. You don't get to make a claim that Republicans never betrayed the country without Democrats also being guilty, and then when you lose that change the question to whether both parties were ever both guilty in any case. And your 'legislative assaults I'm happy with' is dishonest, so no surprise you give no specifics.

I am speaking in good faith, and whether you understand it or not (I think you do) the USA Patriot Act was and is illegitimate. It was and is an assault on the document, ESPECIALLY the Fourth Amendment. Ditto with the legislative bull**** called NDA and Military Commissions Act which nullify Habeas Corpus, and ditto on AUMF.

If you support any of those legislative assaults, you give a very bad name to Progressive.
 
I am speaking in good faith, and whether you understand it or not (I think you do) the USA Patriot Act was and is illegitimate. It was and is an assault on the document, ESPECIALLY the Fourth Amendment. Ditto with the legislative bull**** called NDA and Military Commissions Act which nullify Habeas Corpus, and ditto on AUMF.

I rarely do this, but you badly need all caps. THE PATRIOT ACT WAS BOTH PARTIES SO IT WAS NOT ON MY (LONG) LIST. YOU DON'T GET TO DEMAND ANY EXAMPLES, AND THEN IGNORE THEM ALL TO KEEP FIXATING ON ONE EXAMPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE. IT'S NOT A DEFENSE FOR KILLING A HUNDRED PEOPLE TO NAME ONE YOU DID NOT KILL. Get it this time finally, or we're done.
 
I rarely do this, but you badly need all caps. THE PATRIOT ACT WAS BOTH PARTIES SO IT WAS NOT ON MY (LONG) LIST. YOU DON'T GET TO DEMAND ANY EXAMPLES, AND THEN IGNORE THEM ALL TO KEEP FIXATING ON ONE EXAMPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE. IT'S NOT A DEFENSE FOR KILLING A HUNDRED PEOPLE TO NAME ONE YOU DID NOT KILL. Get it this time finally, or we're done.

We're done Craig. You give a very bad name to the Progressive cause. Dodging and denial does not foster rational public dialogue.
 
We're done Craig. You give a very bad name to the Progressive cause. Dodging and denial does not foster rational public dialogue.

You're dishonest or incredibly irrational.
 
Gender and Ethnicity Bias and Bigotry is why America Failed at Sustaining Industry in America; so Women and Minorities could NOT have the means to a sustainable economic income, on par with the historical processes of white men; the general society of poor whites was always considered acceptable collateral damage, in order to keep down Women and Minority Non White People This is a truth these bigoted types have never wanted to admit, but history's truth proves it conclusively!!!


Now, Republican Confederate Bigots... attack the American Governance System to support their symbol of White Nationalist Bigotry and Greed Mongering..... and they expect the Democracy Loving people to pretend to be blind to it. They sound like "Jefferson Davis" in his acts to fight to try and Sustain the system of Slavery.... Only they are trying to Sustain and Promote a Belligerent Bigot, who is chasing the dying system of White Nationalism and Imperialist Agenda of Wealthy White Men.

They dupe the people with the "Fictions of Stock Ticker Gaming".... in their Casino Games where EVERYTHING ON THE STOCK MORE IS EXCESSIVE AND OVER VALUES TO AN EXTREMITY THAT WILL BRING DOWN THE ECONOMICS OF THIS NATION.

The average person is too generally of uneducated captions which renders a level of ignorance, until they cannot fathom to conceive what $23+ Trillion dollars of Debt is, Nor can they even expand their minds to know how much $70 Plus Trillion of Unfunded Obligations is... Nor can they Conceive what Nearing a Trillion Dollars of Deficit equates to... and they are Oblivious to what 104.x% of GDP is.... IT MEANS.... Insolvency!!!! And we no longer have Industry to help us pay that debt.

(Rome found out this same truth the hard way, so did the British Empire, and they each, "FELL" from Loft Heights..)


Nations are already planning how to move on without America.... and they will impose high interest rates on America after the Crash of 2020 which is a Certainty...
Nations around the world are "Amassing Gold" to hedge themselves against the coming Crash..... While America's are lusting and excited over having a Credit Card and a 7+ yr long Car Payment... and exaggerated Housing Prices with excessive monthly payment.... as the Homelessness increases by the day.

Awareness of Reality is so far over the head of the Republican Confederate Bigots.. until their minds can't comprehend what is happening.



91 profitable Fortune 500 companies paid $0 in taxes in 2018 under Trump's tax law



stock market hits all-time high- 10,000 point RISE since Trump elected- Now Look at the Real Truth
 
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Rudy, just confirmed AGAIN... the vile acts of Trump's Administration.... He has no official role, yet he was allowed to denigrate a Diplomat.... and Republican don't understand the grave damage this presents and represents. The Arrogance of continuing this mess, after the exposure... is an every greater atrocious act of Disrespect For American Governance!!!

The Framer's of the Constitution would have "Demanded the Highest Penalty" for this Type of Subversive Acts and Treasonous Conduct" against our Governing System

Trump should be removed from Office with the utmost of immediacy... American People should in the highest public stand, invoke Censure of Republican Senate and Vice President Pence..

Our Nation IS More Important than these men!!!
 
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