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AOC: U.S. parental leave 'treats people worse than dogs'

That is an impressive word salad you've concocted.

Tell me, when kids were being shipped off to factories and coal mines to work for 10 or 20 cents on the dollar in order to help provide for their families, do you think that was about strong values and hard work? Or was it about a society that claimed to value life, but not the quality of said life?
THAT was what we called reality of the time and era they lived in.

Heres a better more realistic example for you...10,11, 12 year olds today raised on farms and ranches still getting up and working...learning the value of hard work...and developing strong family values that sustain them through life. that is still something that happens today. Or a dad and mom that expect their kids to do chores at home, provide an allowance, teach the value of work, budgeting, money management.

Yeah...that stuff still happens.
 
That is an impressive word salad you've concocted.

Tell me, when kids were being shipped off to factories and coal mines to work for 10 or 20 cents on the dollar in order to help provide for their families, do you think that was about strong values and hard work? Or was it about a society that claimed to value life, but not the quality of said life?

If it were up to folks like Vance, debt slavery would be a thing.

Then again, being revolted by the meek is a character flaw of the right wing.
 
I pay taxes; and if I am being forced to do so, I want those taxes to go to something I see as morally relevant.

Don't you? Or do you believe in no taxes? ;)

let's upgrade our current regime of unemployment compensation so employers have no direct unemployment compensation burden because it could be administered by the public sector with a fund for that purpose.
 
THAT was what we called reality of the time and era they lived in.

Heres a better more realistic example for you...10,11, 12 year olds today raised on farms and ranches still getting up and working...learning the value of hard work...and developing strong family values that sustain them through life. that is still something that happens today. Or a dad and mom that expect their kids to do chores at home, provide an allowance, teach the value of work, budgeting, money management.

Yeah...that stuff still happens.

Great. Mowing a lawn at your house is a little different than being shipped off to a coal mine at 10 years old to develop black lung and die in your 30s. Things have progressed.

What AOC is calling for is another form of progress. She believes America is capable of standing up and offering mothers the same thing that nations all around the world, both rich and poor, seem to have been perfectly able to handle. Paid family leave.

Seriously, you don't find it embarrassing that nations like Mexico and Costa Rica can offer weeks and weeks of paid leave, but America offers nothing at all?
 
let's upgrade our current regime of unemployment compensation so employers have no direct unemployment compensation burden because it could be administered by the public sector with a fund for that purpose.

I say let's ignore the ignorant, ignoble bleating of the right wing all together. They have dominated the conversation long enough, and declared war on reason 30 some odd years ago. Theirs is the wages of sin. They ignore reality when it comes to automation. "Learn the value of hard work." Of what relevance is that when you can be a millionaire opening toys on ****ing youtube?

Sheesh.
 
Great. Mowing a lawn at your house is a little different than being shipped off to a coal mine at 10 years old to develop black lung and die in your 30s. Things have progressed.

What AOC is calling for is another form of progress. She believes America is capable of standing up and offering mothers the same thing that nations all around the world, both rich and poor, seem to have been perfectly able to handle. Paid family leave.

Seriously, you don't find it embarrassing that nations like Mexico and Costa Rica can offer weeks and weeks of paid leave, but America offers nothing at all?

It's not even progress. It's common ****ing sense. Why is it Exxon Mobile, or ISRAEL is entitled to my tax dollars when they already have universal healthcare and guaranteed 100% paternity and maternity pay?

What the actual **** is this garbage?
 
I say let's ignore the ignorant, ignoble bleating of the right wing all together. They have dominated the conversation long enough, and declared war on reason 30 some odd years ago. Theirs is the wages of sin. They ignore reality when it comes to automation. "Learn the value of hard work." Of what relevance is that when you can be a millionaire opening toys on ****ing youtube?

Sheesh.

Class warfare may require a class action.
 
It's <1% of mothers who go to work when child is under 1 year old. From all mothers, 74% are working (not at home with children), so 26% stay at home.

Thanks.
 
Idiocy. A happier, less stressed workforce is more productive, as proven in a massive amount of studies, all over the place. When it comes to parental leave, I do not accept the position mothers and fathers do not deserve time as tax payers to be home with their children.

Nothing says america, like firing pregnant women, or forcing them to send their newborns to daycare, all so some entitled, whiney, good for nothing "job creator" can get a few extra bucks.

Or, how about, isntead of paying to send our kids to die on petty little imperialist projects republicants love so much, we apportion that funding so it's paid to mothers and fathers?

Couldn't be that we could do something for those who proliferae this society, instead of the typical short sighted idiocy of right wing policy positions, no?

Idiocy? You expect anyone to take you seriously when you start with insults? It is not the tax payers place to be funding parents having children, that's on the parents.
 
Then move your business to China. You wanted the "booming economy", now you gotta ****ing deal with the lack of available employees and increased pay and benefits to compete.

Isn't this waht you lot wanted?

What we want is smart economic decisions, not emotionally driven demands that drive away economic opportunities.
 
That is an impressive word salad you've concocted.

Tell me, when kids were being shipped off to factories and coal mines to work for 10 or 20 cents on the dollar in order to help provide for their families, do you think that was about strong values and hard work? Or was it about a society that claimed to value life, but not the quality of said life?

that should never have happened. personally my thought is I will not allow us to regress to a nation of robber barons. if we are to become that i would rather go with full democratic socialism.
take ALL MONIES and divide it evenly to everyone, with perhaps more for innovators who come up with proven ideas as the ONLY standout.
 
Idiocy? You expect anyone to take you seriously when you start with insults? It is not the tax payers place to be funding parents having children, that's on the parents.

BULL****.

We do it. For Israel. Germany, and every other goddamned nation on that list, or did you just ignore that?

Tell me, why in the everblack ****, are you supporting sending our tax dollars to Israel, which Israel then uses to fund Single Payer and MA/PAternity leave for their citizens?

I want an explanation to that question, here and now.

Moreover, I am a taxpayer. I get to say where my taxes go. I don't want MY TAX DOLLARS going to pay for exxon mobile or anyone else when they rake in billions in profits, if I can't even get one goddamned week of paid leave for having kids.

Truly sickening. Just ****ing sickening. And hypocritical. Read what you wrote. Wow.
 

We started developing benefits in 1937, so all those things (what we have now) is from long process. At first it was just about pensions, so everything else (housing benefits, student benefits, child benefits, so on..) are just add-on's.
 
What we want is smart economic decisions, not emotionally driven demands that drive away economic opportunities.

Well, buckle up Renae, because you don't get to dictate that. Not anymore.

My tax dollars are flowing to nations that give their citizens these things.

Why, on earth, do they have it, and we don't? Why, on earth, are my taxes going to them, so you can claim some paltry high horse BS?
 
that should never have happened. personally my thought is I will not allow us to regress to a nation of robber barons. if we are to become that i would rather go with full democratic socialism.
take ALL MONIES and divide it evenly to everyone, with perhaps more for innovators who come up with proven ideas as the ONLY standout.

I think if you look around at the reality that wealth is more concentrated at the top than it has been at any point since the run up to the Great Depression, you will see we are already a nation of robber barons. Americans are working for less and less each year as cost of living outpaces increases in wages.
 
I guess we always come back to the usual question...why can the rest of the world afford social progress, but the supposed greatest nation in the history of humanity cannot?

Here'''s what maternity leave looks like around the world - Insider

Bulgarian women get an average of 58 weeks paid leave at 78% of their salary.

Canada offers 18 weeks at 48% of their salary.

Germany offers 14 weeks fully paid.

Greece offers 43 weeks at 54% of their salary.

Israel? 14 weeks fully paid.

Italy? 21 weeks at 80%.

Mexico? 12 weeks fully paid.

Poland? 20 weeks fully paid.

Spain? 16 weeks fully paid.

Turkey? 16 weeks at 66%.

All around the world nations have made a choice to prioritize making the shift to parenthood as economically viable as possible. In America? Well, here we offer basically nothing other than token child tax credits. Conservatives instead prefer to cry and moan about the changing demographics that are only being hastened by the fact that many young people are avoiding having children because it's too damned expensive to even consider.

Generally speaking it's a difference in ideology and priority. Here we cherish the idea of individualism and personal responsibility, so more of these issues are seen as something each individual must sort out on their own. Other countries view it as investing in their own people so they set up these types of benefits because those citizens also see the value they get out of it as well.
 
I pay taxes; and if I am being forced to do so, I want those taxes to go to something I see as morally relevant.
And to hell with anybody else that pays taxes?
Don't you? Or do you believe in no taxes? ;)
I think taxes should be as low as possible. And that social programs in general are a waste
 
I think taxes should be as low as possible. And that social programs in general are a waste

With social programs you can reduce (some) inequality as it's not a goal in any society.
 
BULL****.

We do it. For Israel. Germany, and every other goddamned nation on that list, or did you just ignore that?

Tell me, why in the everblack ****, are you supporting sending our tax dollars to Israel, which Israel then uses to fund Single Payer and MA/PAternity leave for their citizens?

I want an explanation to that question, here and now.

Moreover, I am a taxpayer. I get to say where my taxes go. I don't want MY TAX DOLLARS going to pay for exxon mobile or anyone else when they rake in billions in profits, if I can't even get one goddamned week of paid leave for having kids.

Truly sickening. Just ****ing sickening. And hypocritical. Read what you wrote. Wow.

What's silly is your inability to discuss an issue without being hyper emotional and insulting. It is not the tax payers job to pay for parents to take time off from work it is the parents. Why you have this view that holding individuals as responsible for their own lives as something evil says nothing good about you.
 
I think taxes should be as low as possible. And that social programs in general are a waste

I love this mindset.

What do you believe happens to the tens of millions of desperate people in this country without a social safety net? That they just die, as quietly as possible and out of sight of course as to not disturb you? That we should take that money and ensure the rich have an even more massive slice of the pie?
 
Well, buckle up Renae, because you don't get to dictate that. Not anymore.

My tax dollars are flowing to nations that give their citizens these things.

Why, on earth, do they have it, and we don't? Why, on earth, are my taxes going to them, so you can claim some paltry high horse BS?

Yeah I do, the Dems don't have the Senate, don't have the WH and I'm betting after this farce of an impeachment mess they'll find themselves back out of power. Adults don't want to be babied, even if you think they should be.
 
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