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    Re: SCOTUS Allows Kentucky Abortion Bill to Stand

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Well, we could require everyone to see an ultrasound of a beating heart before opting out of organ donation.
    Who is forcing whom to do what, specifically?
    The state is forcing doctors to use compelled speech, which is an egregious violation of their first amendment rights.

    Additionally, this is all about emotional manipulation via state enforcement. That is also an egregious violation of our constitutional rights.

    The threat of force is what is being used here to effect a desired outcome, something the right wing used to be against.

    One cannot be a small government conservative and support this outcome, without dashing their ideological claims on the rocks.
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    Re: SCOTUS Allows Kentucky Abortion Bill to Stand

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    I'm not religious, per say. I belong to no church of any kind and don't use the bible as my bible. But, I do believe in God and I do believe that murder is murder, no matter how you want to justify it. Women's rights is a lame excuse for justifying murder. Women don't have the right to murder human life.
    Yet if you believe in God, you should also acknowledge God given rights to choose and let God be the judge when it is said and done.
    We can't and shouldn't legislate moral convictions.





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    Re: SCOTUS Allows Kentucky Abortion Bill to Stand

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    The state is forcing doctors to use compelled speech, which is an egregious violation of their first amendment rights.

    Additionally, this is all about emotional manipulation via state enforcement. That is also an egregious violation of our constitutional rights.

    The threat of force is what is being used here to effect a desired outcome, something the right wing used to be against.

    One cannot be a small government conservative and support this outcome, without dashing their ideological claims on the rocks.
    I think this is nothing more than pointing out risks and benefits, just as we are being made aware of risks and benefits before every medical procedure.





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    Re: SCOTUS Allows Kentucky Abortion Bill to Stand

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    Court lets stand Kentucky abortion law on ultrasounds

    And the theocrats celebrate. Prepare yourselves. With the impending end of Roe V. Wade, the state will be empowered to ignore bodily autonomy. In response to this ignorant, idiotic, inhumane, and barbaric authoritarian "Do nothingism" by the SCOTUS, I am immediately lobbying for lawmakers in my state to legislate to force organ donation en masse.

    If the right to "life" supersedes bodily autonomy to the extent Kentuckians in their vast ignorance presume, then the right to life of those who are already here should not be infringed by those seeking to retain bodily autonomy and thus deny those who need kidney, liver, lung transplants their right to life.

    I look forward to the support of -all- pro-birth theocrats jumping on board with this legislation.
    This is a blatant example of the state enforcing relgious ideas as secular law, which is a violation of the First Amdnement's religious clauses.

    Maybe we should treat the 2nd Amendment like the religious hypocrites treat the First'?
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    Re: SCOTUS Allows Kentucky Abortion Bill to Stand

    The court is stacked now with bias rather than jurisprudence so it's only a matter of time before civil liberties are eroded. This is how evangelicals operate.

    There used to be a time when SCOTUS was respected as the legal and constitutional guide for congress and the executive. Now it's just another way for partisans to ruin our country.

    There's no medical reason to force every pregnant female to have an ultrasound before an abortion and show it to her, none whatsoever, other than to psychologically manipulate her. That the court supports this shows a disgusting level of bias.

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    Re: SCOTUS Allows Kentucky Abortion Bill to Stand

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    Court lets stand Kentucky abortion law on ultrasounds

    And the theocrats celebrate. Prepare yourselves. With the impending end of Roe V. Wade, the state will be empowered to ignore bodily autonomy. In response to this ignorant, idiotic, inhumane, and barbaric authoritarian "Do nothingism" by the SCOTUS, I am immediately lobbying for lawmakers in my state to legislate to force organ donation en masse.

    If the right to "life" supercedes bodily autonomy to the extent Kentuckians in their vast ignorance presume, then the right to life of those who are already here should not be infringed by those seeking to retain bodily autonomy and thus deny those who need kidney, liver, lung transplants their right to life.

    I look forward to the support of -all- pro-birth theocrats jumping on board with this legislation.
    This is a GOP SCOTUS and not the impartial arbiter of the law it once was. As they remove the constitutional right to an abortion with one hand, they will cut down any gun control laws on the other and do so with glee. The GOP has stacked this court and all the other Federal Courts with yes men and our country is in deep dodo. I would not be surprised if this court actually granted Trump a third term as he has requested.

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    Re: SCOTUS Allows Kentucky Abortion Bill to Stand

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    I think this is nothing more than pointing out risks and benefits, just as we are being made aware of risks and benefits before every medical procedure.
    No. The state is compelling doctors to use their speech for something they may disagree with. Do you want the state compelling you under threat of force to say things?

    This is why Republican logic is so ****ing stupid. They argue for emotional trash like this while projecting onto everyone else their emotional ****. They have no idea what pandora box they're opening. Its insane.

    This is not about informing the patient and anyone who thinks so is being wilfully obtuse. This is about emotional manipulation via theocratic based legislative fiat to direct women to make an emotional al choice to not abort. Nothing more or less.
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    Re: SCOTUS Allows Kentucky Abortion Bill to Stand

    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    This is a blatant example of the state enforcing relgious ideas as secular law, which is a violation of the First Amdnement's religious clauses.

    Maybe we should treat the 2nd Amendment like the religious hypocrites treat the First'?
    Precisely. Moreover, the state is now authorized to compel speech under threat of force. Anyone who supports this law is an anti freedom bigot who hates our nation, founders and laws. All to benefit an undeserving batch of theocratic ingrates.
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    Re: SCOTUS Allows Kentucky Abortion Bill to Stand

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Yet if you believe in God, you should also acknowledge God given rights to choose and let God be the judge when it is said and done.
    We can't and shouldn't legislate moral convictions.
    This.

    Legislating faith renders toothless any claim god is supreme because it is man injecting himself into private matters of free will and removing that from the equation
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    Re: SCOTUS Allows Kentucky Abortion Bill to Stand

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    This.

    Legislating faith renders toothless any claim god is supreme because it is man injecting himself into private matters of free will and removing that from the equation
    In order to make a solid decision, one should have all the information. That is my point.





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