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Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

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lemmiwinx said:
Trump doesn't give a crap about getting rich off Ukraine then or now. The Bidens on the other hand....
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Russian GRU says "The check is in the mail".

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HumblePi said:
Devin Nunes for sure. He's been a part of this cabal since before the election but became even more entangled in this plot during the transition. He was on the Trump transition team and should have never been able to be Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. Sure, he had to recuse himself because he was caught red-handed running to the White House to try to dig up dirt on Susan Rice and give Trump all the info the committee had gathered about the campaigns cooperation with Russia, but he should never have been on that committee at all for those particular proceedings.

This secret pro-Russian faction of the republicans had a lot of help with Fox. Fox enjoyed the rewards of their support with prominent positions in Trump's administration being filled from Fox employees. There had been many valid and credentialed political opinion experts that were paid contributors to Fox that ran out the door once they understood what was happening between Fox and Trump's Congress. People like Wilbur Ross, Lt. Col Ralph Peters, Shepard Smith, and Carl Cameron who had been chief political correspondent for Fox for more than 20 years, they all left on principle.

Carl Cameron said: “The idea of fair and balanced news appealed to me,”“But over the years right-wing hosts drowned out straight journalism with partisan misinformation.”

Anyone with a shred of integrity, anyone with a career they valued, anyone who stood on principles, left Fox. What Fox is left with are the dregs of television broadcast like Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham.
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Is it any surprise that Oligarch money will get most Republican politicians to turn on their own country? They have been all about the money since "Citizens United" was decided and the SC declared open season on graft and corruption.
 
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lemmiwinx said:
Citations abound don't know why it's even necessary. Never forget Romney had a kid in on the scheme too.
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They were, and are, trying desperately to get into NATO and be a full U.S. allies and shed Russia's influence, of course they wanted a Democrat to help...Republicans were on the Russian side.

They just ousted Victor Yanukovych who was put in place with the help of Paul ****ing Manafort For ****s Sake. Russia then invaded them on grounds that the country is in turmoil (thanks to Russia/Paul Manafort).

That's what we keep telling you.
 
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lemmiwinx said:
Known facts. I don't have time to spend google is your friend.
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Then its not true. Don't make statements you can not defend.

When challenged on an assertion you make and you fail to defend that assertion (provide cites) the assertion is to be considered "not true".
To continue making such statements when they are "not true" is to perpetuate a lie. One that spreads lies is known as a liar.

If you don't have time to back-up your assertions, you shouldn't be posting here. This is DEBATE politics, not a blog for rants.
 
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The Chechen is in the mail lol. Chechens hate the Russians more than Hillary does.

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iguanaman said:
Is it any surprise that Oligarch money will get most Republican politicians to turn on their own country? They have been all about the money since "Citizens United" was decided and the SC declared open season on graft and corruption.
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It's said that everyone is open to bribery if the inducement offered is large enough, 'every man has his price'. I just don't believe that. I still believe there's people in government that are impervious to bribery. People such as Fiona Hill or Maria Yovanovitch are good examples of that. It's these republicans that, although they profess to be 'men of God', they are of very soft morals and have little resistance to subversion and the influence of big money.
 
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HumblePi said:
It's said that everyone is open to bribery if the inducement offered is large enough, 'every man has his price'. I just don't believe that. I still believe there's people in government that are impervious to bribery. People such as Fiona Hill or Maria Yovanovitch are good examples of that. It's these republicans that, although they profess to be 'men of God', they are of very soft morals and have little resistance to subversion and the influence of big money.
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Well we know Guilliani's price. It's $500,000.00 and he will work with the Russians to undermine our democracy. My guess is that they are all promised apts. in Trump Tower Moscow too.:lol:
 
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Rogue Valley said:
Rudy (and many R's in Congress) have gone "full Russia".
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To the point where they are openly directing a sort of "Russian annexation" of the USA and particularly, US elections and foreign policy.
In my humble opinion, this is an act of war by proxy, and the assistance that the Russians are getting FROM Trump and Republicans amounts to treason.

Full Russia...yes...in a way that is so blatant, and so in favor of the Russians AT the EXPENSE of our national security, that the whole bunch poses a clear and present danger.
It's pretty much boiling down to pure cloak and dagger at this point.
All that's left is for Putin's "Little Green Men" to "restore order".
 
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iguanaman said:
Well we know Guilliani's price. It's $500,000.00 and he will work with the Russians to undermine our democracy. My guess is that they are all promised apts. in Trump Tower Moscow too.:lol:
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Rudy has money stashed all over the place and if he's ever indicted and the SDNY gets their hands on his tax returns, he'll get a charge for tax evasion on top of everything else.

He went through another messy divorce last year and his wife claimed;

a lawyer for Judith Giuliani claimed the former New York City mayor has spent over $900,000 since April while claiming he has financial difficulties. Rudy likes the high life, that's for sure. Maybe his high living broke him and he was a perfect target for anyone to bribe whether it was Russia, China, the Saudis or whomever.

Among the expenditures by "America's Mayor" were $12,012 on cigars and $7,131 on fountain pens over a five-month period, Judith Giuliani's lawyer, Bernard Clair, told Justice Michael Katz, according to NBC New York affiliate WNBC.

In that same time frame, Giuliani, 74, also spent over $286,000 on his alleged mistress, $447,938 "for his own enjoyment" and $165,000 on travel for himself, Clair said.

Putting this into perspective, Rudy Giuliani spent a little bit more on cigars last year than the minimum qualifying annual income requirement for an individual to get food assistance under SNAP.
 
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lemmiwinx said:
Trump doesn't give a crap about getting rich off Ukraine then or now. The Bidens on the other hand....
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Trump gives a **** about going to prison, hence the coercion by his head capo Giuliani.
 
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lemmiwinx said:
Known facts. I don't have time to spend google is your friend.
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I understand why you won't take the time to find the supporting documents.

Nobody has that much time since the "facts" have no basis beyond Facebook propaganda.
 
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lemmiwinx said:
Rudy is serving as Trump's alternate persona intended to draw the lightning bolts away from his real job as president of keeping America great. Seems to be working so far what you think?
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They've worked themselves right into an impeachment.
 
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lemmiwinx said:
Citations abound don't know why it's even necessary. Never forget Romney had a kid in on the scheme too.

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Funny side note: The word at the top says "opinion" not "fact".

You've been duped. Again.
 
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lemmiwinx said:
Trump doesn't give a crap about getting rich off Ukraine then or now. The Bidens on the other hand....
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Rick Perry got a 50 year energy deal for one of his biggest political donors...
Rudy and Manafort and others, are the ones getting rich off Ukrainian vulnerabilities.

Trump didn't ask for $$ directly that we know of, but preyed on a weak/desperate Ukraine, to get an announcement of investigations into the DNC/Bidens. A fact that he's now being investigated for.

Do try to keep up. I realize all their criminality makes it hard to focus on specific corruption and misdeeds, but its your obligation to get this stuff right.
 
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lemmiwinx said:
Citations lol. Nancy Pelosi's kids and Mitt Romney's kids were invested in Ukraine just like Joe Biden's kid Hunter. It was a total shame what they did to Ukraine.
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Four pages in and you still haven't dropped any citations regarding the Clinton's and the Romney's and the Pelosi's regarding illegal activity in Ukraine.

This is the second or third time I've caught you doing this sort of trolling.

Folks here at DP should be made aware of what you do and your Modus Operandi.
 
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Mach said:
Rick Perry got a 50 year energy deal for one of his biggest political donors...
Rudy and Manafort and others, are the ones getting rich off Ukrainian vulnerabilities.

Trump didn't ask for $$ directly that we know of, but preyed on a weak/desperate Ukraine, to get an announcement of investigations into the DNC/Bidens. A fact that he's now being investigated for.

Do try to keep up. I realize all their criminality makes it hard to focus on specific corruption and misdeeds, but its your obligation to get this stuff right.
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MAGA Trumpers are an endless supply of things Trump hasn't done. Most are irrelevant to what he has done.
 
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less right said:
Funny side note: The word at the top says "opinion" not "fact".

You've been duped. Again.
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I see so it's only someone's opinion that Pelosi's son worked for a Ukraine gas company. And all those paychecks Hunter Biden got were just someone's opinion as well. Don't forget also one of Romney's brats was dipping his beak there too.
 
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lemmiwinx said:
I see so it's only someone's opinion that Pelosi's son worked for a Ukraine gas company. And all those paychecks Hunter Biden got were just someone's opinion as well. Don't forget also one of Romney's brats was dipping his beak there too.
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So you say. I don't believe it. It's a Facebook hoax.
 
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Has anybody seen the first videos yet from the "network" that accompanied Rudy to Europe.

"Oh we saw black cars at the airport. SCARRRRRY"

"We heard there were 1,000 more police officers on the streets the day we arrived"

"We feared for our safety and left as soon as we could"

GIVE ME A BREAK. How can the clowns on the Right even stand listening to this garbage for more than 30 seconds. You must have to have logic blockers between the ears to listen to this junk!
 
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less right said:
So you say. I don't believe it. It's a Facebook hoax.
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You can't handle the truth! Bet you're 'fraid to google Pelosi's son in Ukraine aren't you? Bing might be better but even google will get you there.
 
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lemmiwinx said:
Rudy is serving as Trump's alternate persona intended to draw the lightning bolts away from his real job as president of keeping America great. Seems to be working so far what you think?
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I don't know. It seems to be all falling apart. First China won't give him his deal and now it looks like his "lover" Kim jong-un has jilted him too. Oh and then there is the impeachment. No Merry Christmas for Trump I'm afraid.
 
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lemmiwinx said:
You can't handle the truth! Bet you're 'fraid to google Pelosi's son in Ukraine aren't you? Bing might be better but even google will get you there.
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Was Nancy Pelosi’s Son an Exec at a Gas Company That Did Business in Ukraine?
The claim rests on the existence of an invention allegedly capable of providing cheap energy to billions of people around the world without using fossil fuels.
Rating False
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Was Nancy Pelosi’s Son an Exec at a Gas Company That Did Business in Ukraine?

That was easy.....Next?
 
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iguanaman said:
I don't know it seems to be all falling apart. First China won't give him his deal and now it look like his "lover" Kim jong-un has jilted him too. Oh and then there is the impeachment.
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China and North Korea are deathly afraid of Trump believe me when I say this. One problem solved now Trump tries to fix a sadly broken European Union. We should all wish him luck.
 
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lemmiwinx said:
China and North Korea are deathly afraid of Trump believe me when I say this. One problem solved now Trump tries to fix a sadly broken European Union. We should all wish him luck.
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How can anyone believe a word you say? You have posted nothing but lies so far. Your benefactor in the Kremlin is the one who is getting "fixed" as soon as we boot Trump out. Putin will be walking with a limp for the rest of his life once we cut his balls off. You can count on it.
 
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