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Getting to the heart of difference between liberals and conservatives

I called your chart stupid and then expanded why it was stupid. Funny how stupid charts appeal to simpletons.

Quoting footnotes without providing a link to the source of the chart and the footnote in the post is amateur hour.

Your rebuttal regarding states being politically designated as to whether they are 'D' or 'R' was significantly misinformed and uneducated.
 
Your rebuttal regarding states being politically designated as to whether they are 'D' or 'R' was significantly misinformed and uneducated.

Your choice to divide states into teams because you like the "conclusion" is simplistic and pathetic. It is that attitude which is part of the problem.

Tell us how you are going to cut funding to "Republican" states to make things more "fair".
 
Like serving black people at a lunch counter?
A little context. In the line directly proceeding your quote, it says "He offered them a blank/generic cake, that meets the minimum standard.". It's as if I obviously don't just think you can refuse a person for any reason, rather using an analogy, in one's meat restaurant you never should be offering mean, but not forced to offer a vegetarian option to serve everyone equally. So no, "serving black people at a lunch counter" has absolutely nothing to do with a right to refuse. Generic off the rank cakes for $25, can not be refused to gay couples if they want to pay $25. You can't and shouldn't be able to kick a person from your restaurant for being black. All of which has absolutely nothing to do with telling a baker to make a custom cake that makes them uncomfortable or a singer etc etc. I am sure though Yaniv up there in Canada, a quite intimating figure, forcing women to perform acts they feel uncomfortable with, often in their homes seems also seems very reasonable to you(not like there aren't a ton of people all too comfortable to perform the required services). Not like that was in fact, a politically motivated harassment...kind of reminds me of this bakeshop these out of state activists just love to charge with discrimination.

Undue prejudice is bad. Harassment is worse.
Look, your posts are so filled with twisted views, the sort you'd hear from someone kicked out of an Ayn Rand meeting, that this is a waste of time. It's just reassuring that your views are very uncommon, if not enough. And it sounds like one of them is 'if you're not gay, you shouldn't care about issues that affect gays' (same for any group). Admirable.
You can't even parrot back my views when you're talking to me. I can only imagine what your mind-reading goes into these generic interest groups.

That wasn't my point in the slightest. The point was to expand on this thinking of it being "pathological" as you can't always feel genuine empathy and if you try it will fail. Have some humility. Plenty of non-gay and gay alike people have informed, emotive, educated opinions on the issues. And still, disagree. Plenty of people still just don't feel informed or connect to it(like me) and the responsible thing is probably than the not factoring to heavily into my vote and decisions.

When you manufacture opinions and emotional reasoning based on assumptions and fantasies not grounded in reality. It destructive both as a voter and on a personal level. That is what that poster was suggesting, even if it was unaware of the natural implications of it self-righteous messaging.

The major point here is, you want to be empathic listen more, speak less. You want a be an informed voter, vote what you know. Imagining you've connected to victims group is a highway to anxiety condition. Pretending people are un-empathic for not knowing what they don't know is absurd.
 
The majority seems to feel a person has more liberty after he collects, for example, welfare and food stamps. And, the people who pay for the welfare and food stamps mostly feel they have more liberty too since it makes them feel better.


Conservatives feel both recipient and payer of welfare and food stamps have less liberty for obvious reasons.

Thus, the difference is clear, and the battle is reduced to, not how people feel, but whether tax and spend on welfare works or not, and can then provide a legitimate basis for one's feelings.

The conservative narrative says that safety vs freedom is a tradeoff. The more safety you have, the less freedom. Think of a child, for example, in its parents' home. It has a relatively high level of safety, and a relatively low level of freedom. When the child becomes an adult and leaves its parents, safety decreases and freedom increases.

The progressive narrative says that freedom depends on being free from poverty. So welfare programs increase a person's freedom while also increasing their safety.

In my opinion, the progressive narrative says we can have things both ways. The conservative narrative is more aligned with the sad realities of life on earth.
 
The right has that misguided belief, that it's "those damned lubruls" wanting to give all their hard-earned tax dollars to those blacks and Hispanics who are either sleeping on the streets of LA or NY or living off welfare, white bums getting rent assistance, doing drugs, robbing grocery stores, making babies, and getting food stamps. That's exactly what they believe.

Here's the reality.

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And this is what's mind boggling. These same people consistently vote for politicians who continually work against them. It's battered wife syndrome. Bunch of abused wives staying with their husbands.
 
And this is what's mind boggling. These same people consistently vote for politicians who continually work against them. It's battered wife syndrome. Bunch of abused wives staying with their husbands.

Or Stockholm syndrome.

'Stockholm syndrome is a condition which causes hostages to develop a psychological alliance with their captors during captivity'
 
Or Stockholm syndrome.

'Stockholm syndrome is a condition which causes hostages to develop a psychological alliance with their captors during captivity'

are you saying that Trumps booming economy featuring more more blacks and women employed at faster growing wages than ever before in American history indicates that blacks and women have Stockholm syndrome and that they would actually be better off under the Green New Deal Great Communist Depression?
 
A little context. In the line directly proceeding your quote, it says "He offered them a blank/generic cake, that meets the minimum standard.".

Ya, my statement hasn't changed that your post overall is too warped in its views to make a discussion have benefit IMO.
 
are you saying that Trumps booming economy featuring more more blacks and women employed at faster growing wages than ever before in American history indicates that blacks and women have Stockholm syndrome and that they would actually be better off under the Green New Deal Great Communist Depression?

I don't dispute the fact that there's a lot of jobs. Half-time jobs, part-time jobs, temporary jobs, minimum wage without benefits jobs and 'better than nothing jobs'. Nevertheless, the majority of those people with all those jobs still feel they are no better off than they were 3 years ago.
 
The majority seems to feel a person has more liberty after he collects, for example, welfare and food stamps. And, the people who pay for the welfare and food stamps mostly feel they have more liberty too since it makes them feel better.


Conservatives feel both recipient and payer of welfare and food stamps have less liberty for obvious reasons.

Thus, the difference is clear, and the battle is reduced to, not how people feel, but whether tax and spend on welfare works or not, and can then provide a legitimate basis for one's feelings.


Simplistic presentation, and, as such, incompetent.

The differences between conservatives and liberals are many, and the issue of "freedom" and/or liberals vs conservatives/libertarians, cannot be reduced to how one "feels on welfare and foodstamps".

There is probably no word more bandied about as a debate polemic than "freedom".

I'll pass on this discussion.
 
I don't dispute the fact that there's a lot of jobs. Half-time jobs, part-time jobs, temporary jobs, minimum wage without benefits jobs and 'better than nothing jobs'. Nevertheless, the majority of those people with all those jobs still feel they are no better off than they were 3 years ago.

silly goofy liberal lie. Consumer Confidence Index has been up the entire Trump term because wages have been up. It would be pure insanity to trade this economy in for the Green New Deal Great Communism Depression!! Say hello to Trumps second term!! It turns out liberal rabid hyena hatred was not sufficient to defeat Trump!!
 
There is probably no word more bandied about as a debate polemic than "freedom".

Is there something wrong with that??? More importantly, do you think our Founders were right in wanting freedom from big liberal govt????????
 
The differences between conservatives and liberals are many, and the issue of "freedom" and/or liberals vs conservatives/libertarians, cannot be reduced to how one "feels on welfare and foodstamps".
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So if you think Aristotle and Plato were wrong about human history being about the battle between freedom and govt why not tell us what is really about. I'll hold my breath waiting for you.
 
So if you think Aristotle and Plato were wrong about human history being about the battle between freedom and govt why not tell us what is really about. I'll hold my breath waiting for you.

It's not my thread, it's yours.

Start a better, more well thought out, focused, thread, and I might respond in kind.


Plato, Aristotle? Are you kidding?
 
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silly goofy liberal lie. Consumer Confidence Index has been up the entire Trump term because wages have been up. It would be pure insanity to trade this economy in for the Green New Deal Great Communism Depression!! Say hello to Trumps second term!! It turns out liberal rabid hyena hatred was not sufficient to defeat Trump!!

crazy little trump toadie, nobody is talking about the Green New Deal here, not me anyway. At this point I'm pretty certain you're trolling here. You certainly aren't addressing the thread topic. If you want to debate the Green New Deal, then start a thread specific to that topic.
 
crazy little trump toadie, nobody is talking about the Green New Deal here, not me anyway.

dear, if you denigrate Trump you are paving the way for the Green New Deal Great Communist Depression which makes Trump look like the second coming!! Do you understand now?? No name calling whatsoever. This is strictly for debate.
 
You certainly aren't addressing the thread topic.

Since Aristotle conservatives have been for freedom and since Plato liberals have been for govt. Can you say which side you are on and why?? Please keep in mind that in the last full century libcommie govt killed about 200 million.
 
dear, if you denigrate Trump you are paving the way for the Green New Deal Great Communist Depression which makes Trump look like the second coming!! Do you understand now?? No name calling whatsoever. This is strictly for debate.
This is the last time I request that you stop addressing me as 'dear' and if you continue then I'll have to assume you're trolling.
 
This is the last time I request that you stop addressing me as 'dear' and if you continue then I'll have to assume you're trolling.

if you denigrate Trump you are paving the way for the Green New Deal Great Communist Depression which makes Trump look like the second coming!! Do you understand now??
 
if you denigrate Trump you are paving the way for the Green New Deal Great Communist Depression which makes Trump look like the second coming!! Do you understand now??

we need more adjectives than that!!
 
This is the last time I request that you stop addressing me as 'dear' and if you continue then I'll have to assume you're trolling.

if you denigrate Trump you are paving the way for the Green New Deal Great Communist Depression which makes Trump look like the second coming!! Do you understand now?? No name calling whatsoever. This is strictly a debate site!!
 
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