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Bill Barr Indicts 8 Including Mueller Top Witness for Funneling Millions in Foreign Donations

smallvoice said:
Ummm, there actually is question that the media that's biased to the right relies more heavily on misinformation, irrelevant comparisons, and outright conspiracy theories more than the left biased media. Sorry, but that doesn't pass the smell test.
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Pull the plugs out of your nose.
 
JMR said:
The major media is biased toward facts. It's difficult to reconcile that with Trump.
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Hardly. The major news media are little more than an arm of the democrat party at this point. You just dont see it because you agree with them
 
Nalu said:
There's no question that some of the major media is biased to the left. There's also no question that the media that's biased to the right relies more heavily on misinformation, irrelevant comparisons, and outright conspiracy theories.
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Thats completely false. The biggest political CT in US history was pushed by the left wing media. In fact there is a significant segment of the kook fringe left that still believes the collusion hoax.
 
Fletch said:
And what does that have to do with anything?
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You mentioned it earlier in a post when you stated the media which is owned by a corporations heavily propagandize to suppress the opposition.
 
Craig234 said:
Yes, there is. Define the word "bias".
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No, there isn't any question that some of the major media is biased to the left. Bias is prejudice in support of or against something. I would like to imagine you're capable of looking up words for yourself.
 
apdst said:
Not in this scenario: the candidate would have to prove he didn't know.
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Wait a minute. All the nonstop, relentless screeching about innocent until proven guilty all gone out the window?

This is what I was talking about in the other thread.
 
Fletch said:
Thats completely false. The biggest political CT in US history was pushed by the left wing media. In fact there is a significant segment of the kook fringe left that still believes the collusion hoax.
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This is what I mean. It's not reasonable to call the Russia investigation a hoax, let alone the biggest political CT in US history. I mean, come on, Fletch. Surely know that. You know who says what you just said? Trump and right leaning media. And as a result of the misinformation, irrelevant comparisons, and outright CTs they employ against their audience, the audience adopts the message.
 
apdst said:
Not in this scenario: the candidate would have to prove he didn't know.
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So does Trump need to prove that he didn't know about the illegal donations to his campaign?
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
I don't think anyone here is arguing that Nader should be "let off the hook".

He's a pedophile. I hope he spends the rest of his life in prison.
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Oh, I am sure he will have as long as life as Epstein.
 
lurchadams said:
Faux News viewers are the most misinformed people in the nation, if not the world!
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Only exceeded by the followers the the gateway pundit
 
Moon said:
Not if you’re talking about a crime.
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It could be treated like self-defense cases:

Some states may require defendants to prove self-defense by a “preponderance of the evidence,” while others require them to simply raise a plausible basis for it, and the prosecution to disprove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Where the burden of proof is on the defendent.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Well you can't just ignore sections of the indictment. Clearly this was a scheme which was donating to all sorts of candidates, so as such, they all are under the same category. The Gateway Pundit story makes no mention of the donation to the Trump inaugural committee; so I'll expect you complain about bias in the media...if you're consistent of course.
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There has to be an investigation to find out exactly who knew what and when. Digging into literally every aspect of the candidates' lives, taxes, family's taxes, everything. Nothing will be off limits.
 
apdst said:
It could be treated like self-defense cases:



Where the burden of proof is on the defendent.
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"Self defense" is an affirmative defense. Essentially, it's a exception built into homicide law. In a sense, it's a qualified guilty plea.

The prosecution still has the responsibility to prove each every element of the crime.
 
apdst said:
There has to be an investigation to find out exactly who knew what and when. Digging into literally every aspect of the candidates' lives, taxes, family's taxes, everything. Nothing will be off limits.
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You know that's not going to happen, right?
 
Nalu said:
No, there isn't any question that some of the major media is biased to the left. Bias is prejudice in support of or against something. I would like to imagine you're capable of looking up words for yourself.
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Yes, there is question about that. I know what the word means, the question is whether you do. And it's clear you don't know what the word means.

The only bias here is your bias, to make the false claim that some of the mainstream media shows a left-wing bias. That's a claim made for many decades by the right, repeated loudly and often enough to get some people to adopt it and parrot it, as you do.

Let's take as an example, the current impeachment issue.

There are a lot of statements the news media could make. They could call it a witch hunt (as I assume Fox has), they could call it solid investigating, they could say trump did nothing wrong, they could say trump organized an effort to withhold things Ukraine wanted to try to pressure their president to say what trump wanted, they could say it was an abuse of power, they could say trump threatened to nuke Ukraine.

That last would be an example of ACTUAL 'left-wing bias' - exaggerating the known story falsely, to make it worse on trump - there is no known case if it being said by mainstream media.

The rest - there are facts, there are opinions, there are positive and negative statements, but none of them, even if negative about trump or Republicans, is "bias" for that alone. It takes more to be "bias".

More that you have not shown. You provided no evidence of any widespread mainstream liberal "bias"; you provided not even one example.

What you did show is that you believe what you are told many times, in this case. There are a lot of difference political views, and as such, many people easily wrongly see some news as 'biased'. Even 'shaping' news coverage to a political audience doesn't mean "bias". Does covering more or less about issues liberals care about mean "bias", no matter how accurate and fair? To you, yes.
 
Craig234 said:
Yes, there is question about that. I know what the word means, the question is whether you do. And it's clear you don't know what the word means.

The only bias here is your bias, to make the false claim that some of the mainstream media shows a left-wing bias. That's a claim made for many decades by the right, repeated loudly and often enough to get some people to adopt it and parrot it, as you do.

Let's take as an example, the current impeachment issue.

There are a lot of statements the news media could make. They could call it a witch hunt (as I assume Fox has), they could call it solid investigating, they could say trump did nothing wrong, they could say trump organized an effort to withhold things Ukraine wanted to try to pressure their president to say what trump wanted, they could say it was an abuse of power, they could say trump threatened to nuke Ukraine.

That last would be an example of ACTUAL 'left-wing bias' - exaggerating the known story falsely, to make it worse on trump - there is no known case if it being said by mainstream media.

The rest - there are facts, there are opinions, there are positive and negative statements, but none of them, even if negative about trump or Republicans, is "bias" for that alone. It takes more to be "bias".

More that you have not shown. You provided no evidence of any widespread mainstream liberal "bias"; you provided not even one example.

What you did show is that you believe what you are told many times, in this case. There are a lot of difference political views, and as such, many people easily wrongly see some news as 'biased'. Even 'shaping' news coverage to a political audience doesn't mean "bias". Does covering more or less about issues liberals care about mean "bias", no matter how accurate and fair? To you, yes.
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Get outta here. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. If you're going to seriously contend that some of the MSM doesn't have a bias to the left, then you can go sit over there with the Trump supporters who think that Fox News is unbiased and the other people who are equally worthless to me.

The rest of your post is an unmitigated disaster of wrong assumptions, lazy generalizations, and unashamed stupidity. All information media have a bias.
 
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