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Why positive job growth reports don’t help Trump

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Every month like clockwork, Republicans post the latest job growth report and it’s usually pretty decent. Average job growth under Trump isn’t as high as it was under Obama, but still...decent. And still, his approval never goes above the ceiling of 44%. This is confusing to Republicans because the old axiom “It’s the economy, stupid” should be putting his approval into the high fifties at least, but that’s clearly not happening. There are several reasons for this.

1)Trump did get his bump from the economy. That’s why it’s as high as 42%-44%.
2)”It’s the economy, stupid” is an incredibly simplistic and one-dimensional idea, and it was never meant by thinking people to be taken as the sole metric for public approval. Yes, voters care about the economy. But they also notice the President’s behavior.
3) Building on the point above, the good job growth numbers aren’t helping Trump because voters see this economy as normal, as pointed out in this NYTimes article:

“At this point, voters may think this is just the normal economy,” Mr. Fratto said. “That gives them the luxury to focus on other things, like the behavior of the president.”

With Impeachment Unfolding Amid a Booming Economy, What Will Voters Prioritize? - The New York Times

And that’s just true. Americans haven’t experienced a real recession since 2009. Ever since Obama turned the crisis around, it’s been ten straight years of solid job growth. Real recession fears have long faded from the public’s memory, so there’s the perception that Trump is taking credit for the sky being blue. True, blue skies tend to fill up with storm clouds eventually, but blue skies are all anyone has ever known for nearly 120 straight months. Shoving “amazing job growth report!” In people’s faces every month just doesn’t have the punch that it used to.

And so, as a result, people are freed up too look at the President’s behavior and conclude, “Yeah, that asshole needs to go.” And that’s demonstrated by the poll showing that a solid electoral college majority of states in favor of impeachment.

https://civiqs.com/results/trump_impeachment?uncertainty=true&annotations=true&zoomIn=true

And posting yet another article showing positive job growth isn’t going to change that. People just read those articles and say, “Yeah, we know. Good job growth. What message are you trying to communicate by telling us that the economy is great over and over again? That we should just give Trump his own island and children to hunt for sport so long as there’s good job growth?”

But there is one thing that could help trump get above 44%. It would be brutally effective and it would absolutely work. It’s a completely new dynamic and nobody’s experienced it yet: Trump could wake up tomorrow morning and start being a decent human being. He could stop lying, he could be considerate and respectful towards even those he disagrees with. He could divest his businesses into a blind trust so there’s no perception of conflict of interest. He could stand with our allies. He could exercise the power of the pardon in a way that appeared fair and carefully considered.

But we all know none of that is going to happen. And so he will spend the rest of this year and all of 2020 ping-ponging between an approval of 42% and 44%.
 
Every month like clockwork, Republicans post the latest job growth report and it’s usually pretty decent. Average job growth under Trump isn’t as high as it was under Obama, but still...decent. And still, his approval never goes above the ceiling of 44%. This is confusing to Republicans because the old axiom “It’s the economy, stupid” should be putting his approval into the high fifties at least, but that’s clearly not happening. There are several reasons for this.

1)Trump did get his bump from the economy. That’s why it’s as high as 42%-44%.
2)”It’s the economy, stupid” is an incredibly simplistic and one-dimensional idea, and it was never meant by thinking people to be taken as the sole metric for public approval. Yes, voters care about the economy. But they also notice the President’s behavior.
3) Building on the point above, the good job growth numbers aren’t helping Trump because voters see this economy as normal, as pointed out in this NYTimes article:

“At this point, voters may think this is just the normal economy,” Mr. Fratto said. “That gives them the luxury to focus on other things, like the behavior of the president.”

With Impeachment Unfolding Amid a Booming Economy, What Will Voters Prioritize? - The New York Times

And that’s just true. Americans haven’t experienced a real recession since 2009. Ever since Obama turned the crisis around, it’s been ten straight years of solid job growth. Real recession fears have long faded from the public’s memory, so there’s the perception that Trump is taking credit for the sky being blue. True, blue skies tend to fill up with storm clouds eventually, but blue skies are all anyone has ever known for nearly 120 straight months. Shoving “amazing job growth report!” In people’s faces every month just doesn’t have the punch that it used to.

And so, as a result, people are freed up too look at the President’s behavior and conclude, “Yeah, that asshole needs to go.” And that’s demonstrated by the poll showing that a solid electoral college majority of states in favor of impeachment.

https://civiqs.com/results/trump_impeachment?uncertainty=true&annotations=true&zoomIn=true

And posting yet another article showing positive job growth isn’t going to change that. People just read those articles and say, “Yeah, we know. Good job growth. What message are you trying to communicate by telling us that the economy is great over and over again? That we should just give Trump his own island and children to hunt for sport so long as there’s good job growth?”

But there is one thing that could help trump get above 44%. It would be brutally effective and it would absolutely work. It’s a completely new dynamic and nobody’s experienced it yet: Trump could wake up tomorrow morning and start being a decent human being. He could stop lying, he could be considerate and respectful towards even those he disagrees with. He could divest his businesses into a blind trust so there’s no perception of conflict of interest. He could stand with our allies. He could exercise the power of the pardon in a way that appeared fair and carefully considered.

But we all know none of that is going to happen. And so he will spend the rest of this year and all of 2020 ping-ponging between an approval of 42% and 44%.

Most people have already made their mind up about Trump. His inheriting the Obama economy won't change that.
 
Most people have already made their mind up about Trump. His inheriting the Obama economy won't change that.

True. The number of people who can change their minds is shrinking every month.
 
Still not clear on why it's either Obama OR Trump's economy? Kick the orange man to the curb or not, it won't change anything - haven't we long established this every time the WH switches party and everyone on the other side screams how it's not that position that really defines it?
 
I think the feeling of normalcy is dead on. A good economy is not that helpful to a president running for re-election when they inherit an already good economy. As long as people aren't living inside of a right wing bubble their daily experience of the economy probably feels pretty much the same now as it did 5 or more years ago.
 
I want to add a couple points concerning the “It’s the economy, stupid” principle.

1)That saying wasn’t meant for a populist President. If you elect somebody as a means of punishing a perceived “elite class” then your goals are inherently destructive in nature. As a result, people are going to perceive this President using a different set of criteria.
2)That saying is incredibly overrated, as shown by how little unilateral power it’s held in just the three administrations before Trump: A great economy didn’t stop Republicans taking over the whole of Federal Government after Clinton left office. It didn’t stop W. Bush’s approval from cratering to 37% after his handling of Hurricane Katrina. And it didn’t stop Republicans from taking over the whole of Federal government after Obama left office. And, to belabor an already made point, it’s not raising Trump’s approval above 44%.
 
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Not to discredit all the thought process by the OP and collectively in this thread, but here's how I see it:

"The cake is baked!"

Fake news abounds, most don't believe anything except what their favored sources tell them, and the battle lines are drawn. On to the election!
 
And the other side of the coin is that while the economy looks good on paper, the reality is, for most people, things like healthcare, further education for their kids beyond high school, home ownership, rent and many other things continue to be more and more difficult for the average person to afford, you can tout the job market all you want, but For the average person, social mobility continues to shrink.
 
Still not clear on why it's either Obama OR Trump's economy? Kick the orange man to the curb or not, it won't change anything - haven't we long established this every time the WH switches party and everyone on the other side screams how it's not that position that really defines it?
Yep.


 
And the other side of the coin is that while the economy looks good on paper, the reality is, for most people, things like healthcare, further education for their kids beyond high school, home ownership, rent and many other things continue to be more and more difficult for the average person to afford, you can tout the job market all you want, but For the average person, social mobility continues to shrink.
And more & more of the jobs created are junk jobs. Though this phenomenon has surely not started exclusively under Trump.
 
And the other side of the coin is that while the economy looks good on paper, the reality is, for most people, things like healthcare, further education for their kids beyond high school, home ownership, rent and many other things continue to be more and more difficult for the average person to afford, you can tout the job market all you want, but For the average person, social mobility continues to shrink.

Yup. You can have the headline “250,000 jobs created this month!” shoved in your face, but if all you can think about is whether to schedule a crucial surgery for this year or next year all because of how your deductibles are going to be calculated, and the fact that like it or not you’re taking a hell of a lot of money out of savings to pay for it, that job growth figure isn’t going to mean much to you personally.
 
Not to discredit all the thought process by the OP and collectively in this thread, but here's how I see it:

"The cake is baked!"

Fake news abounds, most don't believe anything except what their favored sources tell them, and the battle lines are drawn. On to the election!

My sense is you are nearly correct. The cake is baked regarding how people view Trump. As we don't know the flavor (or name) of the competing cake impossible to tell which tastes less bad.
 
My sense is you are nearly correct. The cake is baked regarding how people view Trump. As we don't know the flavor (or name) of the competing cake impossible to tell which tastes less bad.

The cake was baked prior to the 2016 election. Voters didn't like either candidate. Hillary was a known individual with a questionable history. Also Hillary was facing an uphill battle as she would have been the first female President. Trump's history was still vaque to many voters, although enough was out to distrust him in the job. As the battle to the bottom continued, Russian interference and the Comey anouncement sunk Hillary.

There will be no Hillary in 2020, Trump's corruption has become clear to the voters. Trump's replay of illegal campaign antics against Biden have failed. Trump has done nothing to overcome the, "vote for Trump he is the lesser of two evils." As for the Democratic candidates 2020, I believe many candidates that eventually were elected to the Presidency were not shoe-ins from the start of campaigning. And they certainly don't fall into the lesser of to evils category, Trump stands alone in that category 2020
 
My sense is you are nearly correct. The cake is baked regarding how people view Trump. As we don't know the flavor (or name) of the competing cake impossible to tell which tastes less bad.
:mrgreen:
 
Every month like clockwork, Republicans post the latest job growth report and it’s usually pretty decent. Average job growth under Trump isn’t as high as it was under Obama, but still...decent. And still, his approval never goes above the ceiling of 44%. This is confusing to Republicans because the old axiom “It’s the economy, stupid” should be putting his approval into the high fifties at least, but that’s clearly not happening. There are several reasons for this.

1)Trump did get his bump from the economy. That’s why it’s as high as 42%-44%.
2)”It’s the economy, stupid” is an incredibly simplistic and one-dimensional idea, and it was never meant by thinking people to be taken as the sole metric for public approval. Yes, voters care about the economy. But they also notice the President’s behavior.
3) Building on the point above, the good job growth numbers aren’t helping Trump because voters see this economy as normal, as pointed out in this NYTimes article:

“At this point, voters may think this is just the normal economy,” Mr. Fratto said. “That gives them the luxury to focus on other things, like the behavior of the president.”

With Impeachment Unfolding Amid a Booming Economy, What Will Voters Prioritize? - The New York Times

And that’s just true. Americans haven’t experienced a real recession since 2009. Ever since Obama turned the crisis around, it’s been ten straight years of solid job growth. Real recession fears have long faded from the public’s memory, so there’s the perception that Trump is taking credit for the sky being blue. True, blue skies tend to fill up with storm clouds eventually, but blue skies are all anyone has ever known for nearly 120 straight months. Shoving “amazing job growth report!” In people’s faces every month just doesn’t have the punch that it used to.

And so, as a result, people are freed up too look at the President’s behavior and conclude, “Yeah, that asshole needs to go.” And that’s demonstrated by the poll showing that a solid electoral college majority of states in favor of impeachment.

https://civiqs.com/results/trump_impeachment?uncertainty=true&annotations=true&zoomIn=true

And posting yet another article showing positive job growth isn’t going to change that. People just read those articles and say, “Yeah, we know. Good job growth. What message are you trying to communicate by telling us that the economy is great over and over again? That we should just give Trump his own island and children to hunt for sport so long as there’s good job growth?”

But there is one thing that could help trump get above 44%. It would be brutally effective and it would absolutely work. It’s a completely new dynamic and nobody’s experienced it yet: Trump could wake up tomorrow morning and start being a decent human being. He could stop lying, he could be considerate and respectful towards even those he disagrees with. He could divest his businesses into a blind trust so there’s no perception of conflict of interest. He could stand with our allies. He could exercise the power of the pardon in a way that appeared fair and carefully considered.

But we all know none of that is going to happen. And so he will spend the rest of this year and all of 2020 ping-ponging between an approval of 42% and 44%.
And win reelection. :cool:
 
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