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The Traitors Among Us

ArtemisBarca said:
Then why was a middle man required to set up the trump tower meeting???

Imho we have to be really careful about accusations, because the sheeple will latch on to the corner of a point that isn’t valid. Then harp on that while ignoring EVERYTHING else was accurate.

The propaganda is strong with this one..
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I admit, I don't follow your point. There seems to be a non sequitur here.
 
Paradoxical said:
OMG! I have never seen as much projection in my entire life.
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Clutch your pearls just a little tighter dear, better yet, be more dramatic, faint too.

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redbeer said:
ROFL...what a joke. It's no longer "collusion"...it's now "coordination". Political hack talking points to spread misinformation. Losers especially sore losers just continue to lose and lose and lose....it's in their dna. Trump nor any within his campaign "colluded" or "coordinated" with the Russian government for any reason whatsoever....even a team of hatred blinded democratic lawyers couldn't find anything whatsoever....so GET OVER IT!!
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It is clear your entire discourse is based upon false premises and self-serving assumptions. First is the false assertion that objection to Trump behavior is based upon hatred. (Projection seems to be an accurate diagnosis for this, it appears.) Second, the oft-repeated falsehood that Democrats and others in opposition to criminality are motivated by "losing" the election. What idiocy! (Especially given that the majority of voters did, in fact, not vote for Trump.) Most, and I include myself, are motivated by the horror of the utter criminality and incompetence in every aspect of Trump's tenure in office, including his brazenly corrupt subordinates. I love my country (and spent 30 years in service to it and is values) and I am genuinely concerned about its future under the influence of a party in thrall to a foreign power. I'm also devoted to the truth, based upon the factual record, rather than political desires, and principle over politics.

Since it is obvious that none of those principles apply to you, I bid you goodbye.
 
ArtemisBarca said:
Conservatism 101.. pretend the other guy is doing what you are..


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I am amazed at the projection levels of Democrats. Whatever they accuse you of.........THEY are guilty of.
 
HumblePi said:
[h=1]The Traitors Among Us[/h]by Rick Wilson

America once used the words “treason” and “traitors” only in cases of actual betrayal of our nation’s most vital secrets or interests. They were profound words, deep with meaning, grim in import, carrying with them the knowledge that the penalty for treason was death.

Be honest: The words “traitor” and “treason” don’t have the sting they once had; they’ve been devalued from mis- and over-use by this president. For Donald Trump, any opposition, either personal, ideological, or political is treason. Anyone who stands in his path betrays the Great Leader. Anyone who fails to take the knee is a traitor.

Like hearing an insult too many times drains it of its potency, Trump has diluted the power of that approbation. He has labeled loyal, dedicated Americans who served this country in the military and law enforcement as traitors, so much so that we could almost give in to the temptation to excuse it as “Trump being Trump” and let it slide like any of the other insults he vomits forth on the daily.

Which is a shame, because America is in the midst of a treason boom right now, and more than a few people in Trump’s immediate orbit — and Trump himself — richly and actually deserve the title of traitor, and the treason inherent in their acts and words is apparent.

Traitors from Benedict Arnold to Klaus Fuchs to Aldrich Ames to Robert Hanssen sold out this country for a host of reasons, all explicable and unforgivable. The intelligence community even has a handy acronym for the motivations of traitors, and one that applies readily to known cases. The acronym is MICE: Money, Ideology, Compromise, and Ego. Pick a traitor and one of those reasons will underpin their betrayal.
Add a new one to the acronym. Call it, MICE-T, with the “T” naturally standing for Trump.

Their treason isn’t executed in the old ways of secret meetings, furtive brush passes, or encrypted messages. No, the traitors of today show us their cards on cable TV, laughing and giggling over their betrayal of the oath they swore, and the security of this country, all for the political service of Donald Trump.

As the impeachment hearings have worn on and as evidence of the complete moral collapse of the Republican Party has become more and more evident, it has become quite obvious there really are traitors among us. There are elected officials who have made the decision to protect a corrupt president by embracing conspiracy theories, refusing to acknowledge sworn testimony of career foreign-service officials, and piling on to Trump’s attack of democratic institutions.

The traitors deliberately ignore the reporting, counsel, and warnings of the intelligence community when it comes to Russia’s attacks and Vladimir Putin’s vast, continuing intelligence and propaganda warfare against the United States.

Trump -- And Those in His Orbit -- Are the Traitors: Rick Wilson Writes - Rolling Stone
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The only traitors are those that seek a coup of government and overthrow of a legal election and that of a duly elected president.

Thanks for the projection fallacy but that is what we expect.

The writer of the article is an idiot as well as any one that reads or believes it.

Treason has a very specific meaning just like everything else.

The only reason it has lost it's meaning is that leftist throw without there every 2 seconds.
As usual the leftist of this country proving themselves to be complete and utter morons.
 
HumblePi said:
You're the one that should 'get over' this delusional world you've been living in. There is no crime as 'collusion'. You knew that, right? You knew that collusion is not a codified crime, right? Oh no, you obviously did not know that and you still won't believe that because you want to cling to that for one of your singular Fox talking points. Facts are facts, "collusion" is not a crime. I hope that's clear now and sinks in, it may take a while.

The Mueller investigation clearly proved that the Trump campaign, its advisors and the president himself coordinated with Russia to help Trump win the 2016 presidential election. Trump's campaign welcomed interference in OUR U.S. free election from an adversary, an enemy to the United States. Indeed, Special Counsel Robert Mueller was authorized to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump” and to prosecute federal crimes arising from that investigation. That's precisely what the special counsel did, they investigated individuals associated with the campaign and prosecuted those crimes. That's why Paul Manafort sits in prison, that's why Cohen sits in prison, that's why Popadopoulos spent time in prison, that's why Roger Stone was convicted on 5 counts and waits to see how long he'll spend in prison and his convictions are 100% connected to the Trump campaign. That's why Michael Flynn, a Trump administration appointee is waiting for his sentencing to find out how long he's going to spend in prison and why campaign co-char Rick Gates pleaded guilty and is cooperating with the FBI. It's why 13 Russian Nationals and 12 Russian Military Officers were indicted.

So when you erroneously claim "no collusion" you are dead wrong 100%. And by the way, the entire investigation could turn a profit for the government, thanks to Paul Manafort’s asset forfeiture. Manafort agreed to forfeit real estate and cash estimated to be worth between $42 million and $46 million.
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You are wrong as always.
The mueller report found no evidence of conspiracy
No evidence to commit fraud and no evidence on anything else that linked trump to russia.

The conclusions of the mueller report have been posted to you more times than I can count and you still continue this dishonest lying.

Facts don't care about your feelings.
 
Paradoxical said:
OMG! I have never seen as much projection in my entire life.
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Exactly the entire leftist debate skill is based on one fallacy after another.
 
HumblePi said:
[h=1]The Traitors Among Us[/h]by Rick Wilson

America once used the words “treason” and “traitors” only in cases of actual betrayal of our nation’s most vital secrets or interests. They were profound words, deep with meaning, grim in import, carrying with them the knowledge that the penalty for treason was death.

Be honest: The words “traitor” and “treason” don’t have the sting they once had; they’ve been devalued from mis- and over-use by this president. For Donald Trump, any opposition, either personal, ideological, or political is treason. Anyone who stands in his path betrays the Great Leader. Anyone who fails to take the knee is a traitor.

Like hearing an insult too many times drains it of its potency, Trump has diluted the power of that approbation. He has labeled loyal, dedicated Americans who served this country in the military and law enforcement as traitors, so much so that we could almost give in to the temptation to excuse it as “Trump being Trump” and let it slide like any of the other insults he vomits forth on the daily.

Which is a shame, because America is in the midst of a treason boom right now, and more than a few people in Trump’s immediate orbit — and Trump himself — richly and actually deserve the title of traitor, and the treason inherent in their acts and words is apparent.

Traitors from Benedict Arnold to Klaus Fuchs to Aldrich Ames to Robert Hanssen sold out this country for a host of reasons, all explicable and unforgivable. The intelligence community even has a handy acronym for the motivations of traitors, and one that applies readily to known cases. The acronym is MICE: Money, Ideology, Compromise, and Ego. Pick a traitor and one of those reasons will underpin their betrayal.
Add a new one to the acronym. Call it, MICE-T, with the “T” naturally standing for Trump.

Their treason isn’t executed in the old ways of secret meetings, furtive brush passes, or encrypted messages. No, the traitors of today show us their cards on cable TV, laughing and giggling over their betrayal of the oath they swore, and the security of this country, all for the political service of Donald Trump.

As the impeachment hearings have worn on and as evidence of the complete moral collapse of the Republican Party has become more and more evident, it has become quite obvious there really are traitors among us. There are elected officials who have made the decision to protect a corrupt president by embracing conspiracy theories, refusing to acknowledge sworn testimony of career foreign-service officials, and piling on to Trump’s attack of democratic institutions.

The traitors deliberately ignore the reporting, counsel, and warnings of the intelligence community when it comes to Russia’s attacks and Vladimir Putin’s vast, continuing intelligence and propaganda warfare against the United States.

Trump -- And Those in His Orbit -- Are the Traitors: Rick Wilson Writes - Rolling Stone
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Great post comrade. We will be victorious and convert the US into the glorious socialist state the worn out Constitution has been denying us for so long.
 
ludin said:
You are wrong as always.
The mueller report found no evidence of conspiracy
No evidence to commit fraud and no evidence on anything else that linked trump to russia.

The conclusions of the mueller report have been posted to you more times than I can count and you still continue this dishonest lying.

Facts don't care about your feelings.
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Back it up bud, where or when did I say that Mueller found evidence of a 'conspiracy'? Copy and paste my text. You should really stop lying about anything I've said, if I said it then it's one thing, but attributing words or phrases that I never said, is just dishonest. Nearly everyone in Trump's campaign had links to Russia, who you kidding?
 
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OscarLevant said:
Acting like adults? You mean like this guy?



You and your ilk have only vacuous claims
We, on the other hand, have incontrovertible evidence
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You are a crack up. You and everyone like you on THIS SITE act more childish than him 24/7. There is no question...Trump is a douchebag. You people? You act far worse, non stop. And the only pathetic impotent response you people offer is "yeah...but HE is the president". Right...like THAT is a viable excuse for who and what you expose yourself to be every single day, non stop, right here on this site.
 
NWRatCon said:
I admit, I don't follow your point. There seems to be a non sequitur here.
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If trump was working with the Russian government prior to the election run. Then the trump tower meeting wouldn’t have needed to be middle manned by the record producer who middle manned it.

They would have already had a pipeline to the trump inner circle...

But the Russian government had to get the record producer to contact Jr. then set up the meeting with Russian spys.

No need for a middle man if they are already in bed.


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Paradoxical said:
I am amazed at the projection levels of Democrats. Whatever they accuse you of.........THEY are guilty of.
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Then why is it only trump people going to jail???

Trump got elected promising to drain the swamp and lock her up, before claiming a laundry list of Democrats and fbi types have committed felonies..

Also trump owns every branch of federal law enforcement and has a Supreme Court majority..

Yet none of the people he has accused of felonies have even been seriously investigated???



Even though it only benefits trump to charge those people if he has the evidence to do so..



Hmmmmm...

It is almost like it is trumps people who are committing felonies and they have jack except BS allegations on anyone trump has accused.


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NWRatCon said:
OMG, even you don't read your own posts!
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I compose them, and it is spellbinding the amount of projection that Democrats, progressives, socialists engage in. Scary, actually. They write long articles accusing others of who and what they are.
 
ludin said:
Exactly the entire leftist debate skill is based on one fallacy after another.
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It is becoming downright scary to me. I would have never imagined that writers of articles and posters here could and would project what they do onto the others. There has to be some sort of brain virus going around that infects just leftists/progressives/socialists
 
ArtemisBarca said:
Then why is it only trump people going to jail???

Trump got elected promising to drain the swamp and lock her up, before claiming a laundry list of Democrats and fbi types have committed felonies..

Also trump owns every branch of federal law enforcement and has a Supreme Court majority..

Yet none of the people he has accused of felonies have even been seriously investigated???



Even though it only benefits trump to charge those people if he has the evidence to do so..



Hmmmmm...

It is almost like it is trumps people who are committing felonies and they have jack except BS allegations on anyone trump has accused.


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If you spy on people long enough and have the entire FBI, CIA and DOJ going through everything they ever did or said, you are bound to find something. That being said, Trump can hardly be liable for things people did before he hired them, can he?
 
Paradoxical said:
If you spy on people long enough and have the entire FBI, CIA and DOJ going through everything they ever did or said, you are bound to find something. That being said, Trump can hardly be liable for things people did before he hired them, can he?
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A) trump runs the DOJ and has for the majority of the prosecutions of his friends..

B) Then why hasn’t trump found anything on Hillary, Comey, Strock , page, Biden, exc..ANY of the people trump has personally accused of felonies???

So does trump have no evidence to back up god accusations or was he just playing his supporters for yokels from the beginning?





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Paradoxical said:
It is becoming downright scary to me. I would have never imagined that writers of articles and posters here could and would project what they do onto the others. There has to be some sort of brain virus going around that infects just leftists/progressives/socialists
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It is funny conservatives never actually provide a counterpoint or example to back up these claims..

They make a pithy comment with no counterpoint even attempted, and somehow feel like they “nailed it!”

Lol

You cannot have nailed it if you didn’t even include a rebuttal..

That only works in grade school.


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ludin said:
Exactly the entire leftist debate skill is based on one fallacy after another.
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Lmao..

You mean a logical fallacy like “I know you are but what am I”???

You know ..

Trump is accused of collusion with the Russians...

His rebuttal??

“I didn’t collude Hillary colluded!”

Aka I know you are but what am I..

Trump is accused of the same with Ukraine...

“I didn’t collude with Ukraine, Biden did!!”

Lol


It is toddler logic that ONLY works on conservatives..


There is a reason ever intellectual field is dominated by liberals.. and it has nothing to do with the Illuminati. Lmao


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ArtemisBarca said:
If trump was working with the Russian government prior to the election run. Then the trump tower meeting wouldn’t have needed to be middle manned by the record producer who middle manned it.

They would have already had a pipeline to the trump inner circle...

But the Russian government had to get the record producer to contact Jr. then set up the meeting with Russian spys.

No need for a middle man if they are already in bed.


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So, you're saying that because Don Jr. was contacted by Rob Goldstone, who met and became associated with the Trump's in 2013 at the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow, you think that means that Trump or Putin don't have a need to use intermediaries to arrange meetings with Russian operatives? Maybe now that's true because Trump and Putin speak regularly directly without raising any of your eyebrows. But during the campaign they had to at least make the appearance of not being directly connected to Putin.
 
HumblePi said:
So, you're saying that because Don Jr. was contacted by Rob Goldstone, who met and became associated with the Trump's in 2013 at the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow, you think that means that Trump or Putin don't have a need to use intermediaries to arrange meetings with Russian operatives? Maybe now that's true because Trump and Putin speak regularly directly without raising any of your eyebrows. But during the campaign they had to at least make the appearance of not being directly connected to Putin.
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Exactly.

Read the email..

It is not an email that suggests familiarity between the Russian government and trumps team .. it reads like a cold call....


But more than that it is crazy amateurish..

Even taking the time to spell out Russian government and such without a hint of innuendo.


Imho that is not a letter between people already in bed with each other.. it is a proposal to do so.. a proposal he obviously accepted..



This is super unverified, but it makes since..

The Russian government considered trump a tool and wouldn’t waste their time on him.. he couldn’t even get high level meetings concerning his trump tower Moscow plans..

That doesn’t mean trump wasn’t laundering money or whatever other shadiness.

He was just dong it with relative nobodies.






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ArtemisBarca said:
A) trump runs the DOJ and has for the majority of the prosecutions of his friends..

B) Then why hasn’t trump found anything on Hillary, Comey, Strock , page, Biden, exc..ANY of the people trump has personally accused of felonies???

So does trump have no evidence to back up god accusations or was he just playing his supporters for yokels from the beginning?





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Because the FBI and CIA and DOJ was and still is far left. sessions was a complete disaster and joke. Barr is getting it down now. You watch and wait.
 
ArtemisBarca said:
It is funny conservatives never actually provide a counterpoint or example to back up these claims..

They make a pithy comment with no counterpoint even attempted, and somehow feel like they “nailed it!”

Lol

You cannot have nailed it if you didn’t even include a rebuttal..

That only works in grade school.


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Sorry the truth hurts.
 
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