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The Traitors Among Us

If you read my comment redbeer, I don't think I could have been clearer, but I'll repeat it in bigger letters if you're having eye problems seeing smaller print. THERE IS NO CODIFIED CRIME AS "COLLUSION".

As far back as 2014, Trump was a Russian asset being groomed by Moscow to take the 2016 election. Trump backed Russia at every turn back then and never stopped backing Russia. In 2015, a Russian air-to-air missile took down Malaysian airline flight 17 killing 298 civilians. Trump appears to cast doubt on the intelligence community’s assessment that Russian-backed separatists were behind the downing of civilian airliner, Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

"That's a horrible thing that happened,” Trump said, "It's disgusting and disgraceful, but Putin and Russia say they didn't do it, the other side said they did, no one really knows who did it, probably Putin knows who did it. Possibly it was Russia but they are totally denying it. … But they're saying it wasn't them. The other side says it is them. And we're going to go through that arguing for probably for 50 years and nobody is ever going to know. Probably was Russia.” That sounds very familiar doesn't it? That's because it's nearly word-for-word identical to the way he defended Putin over allegations of Russian interference in our election when he was in Helsinki. It was a stunning rebuke to our U.S. Intelligence who confirmed it was Russia. "President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be."

Did Don Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manfort eagerly accept ("I love it") an offer from the Russians to get 'dirt' on Hillary Clinton? That's accepting, that's coordinating, that's cooperating.

Did Trump publicly ask the Russians to release 30,000 Hillary Clinton emails that were released within hours of his request?

Didn't Trump state very clearly to George Stephanopoulos, on camera, that he would certainly accept the help of any foreign government for "opposition research" of a political opponent? That's cooperation, that's coordination, that's opening the door for interference from foreign governments. Trump said there would be nothing wrong with accepting incriminating information about an election opponent from Russia or other foreign governments and that he saw no reason to call the F.B.I. if it were to happen again. “It’s not an interference,” “They have information — I think I’d take it.” He would call the F.B.I. only “if I thought there was something wrong.”

Trump is a Russian operative and you people could give a ****.

I agree with everything you said except for trump Russian timeline.

He has had Russian ties since 1979 when Putin was in the KGB and I believe he has been groomed as far back as then.

I also would not be even a little surprised to learn that trump was getting all his 80s 90s cocaine from the Russian mob and that is how his connection was groomed...
 
Crooks ALWAYS call everyone who exposes them "crooks".

That's all Trump does. He just uses "traitors", etc because the gullible will buy it.
 
I agree with everything you said except for trump Russian timeline.

He has had Russian ties since 1979 when Putin was in the KGB and I believe he has been groomed as far back as then.

I also would not be even a little surprised to learn that trump was getting all his 80s 90s cocaine from the Russian mob and that is how his connection was groomed...

Just because trump had ties to Russia from decades ago doesn’t mean he was in their pocket since then..

There is no reason for Russia to care about trump back then..

I think this all started when it was clear he had a legit shot at the nomination.

If trump was already in their pocket. There is no need to set up the trump tower meeting through a middle man.

I think it started with the email from Jr... then trump changed the gop party platform as a down payment. Then Russia released the dnc emails too close to the election for tptb to sort through them.

At this point he might be a puppet because Putin could probably prove the collusion narrative, but I see no reason to think the politics went back further.


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33 indictments and several of his aides went to prison and one is awaiting sentencing.

You need to study up on your mathematics because that clearly does not equal nothing

And never forget to add that not one of the people trump has accused of felonies is even being seriously investigated..


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Just because trump had ties to Russia from decades ago doesn’t mean he was in their pocket since then..

There is no reason for Russia to care about trump back then..

I think this all started when it was clear he had a legit shot at the nomination.

If trump was already in their pocket. There is no need to set up the trump tower meeting through a middle man.

I think it started with the email from Jr... then trump changed the gop party platform as a down payment. Then Russia released the dnc emails too close to the election for tptb to sort through them.

At this point he might be a puppet because Putin could probably prove the collusion narrative, but I see no reason to think the politics went back further.


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This is wild conjecture bordering on CT, but the presumed link is pretty ****ing obvious. Funny money. Manafort been doing it for decades.
 
The right will chide you for calling Trump a Russian asset I would prefer to call Trump Putin's useful idiot

I will continue with 'asset' and 'idiot' both, they can be interchangeable in many instances. But how much more of a Russian asset could any American be for Russia than Trump? He has weakened our European alliances. Putin likes that. He has given Syria to Russia and Turkey. Putin likes that. He has trashed NATO to NATO! Putin really likes that. He has created a division, animus, and hostility among Americans. Putin wanted that. He has threatened the cooperation and communication between the Executive Branch and the Pentagon. Putin loves that too.

I can go on, but you get my message. Trump has been a Russian asset at a level that could not possibly be any higher than the president of the US.
 
Goodness....filled with a plethora of assumptions. It's apparent you do not accept the vote of the people in the 2016 election with his landslide electoral college win. You simply believe as Pelosi, that he is an imposter, and you will do and say anything whatsoever to discredit the President. He is NOT a Russian operative.....it has been proven....so cease with your LIES.

It has not been proven, it has been investigated, meaning there was actual evidence of him being exactly that.

If you suspect an employee of stealing, the evidence points to that person do you still keep him on even if your security says it sure looks like he did it but we don't have enough on him to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt..

For me, he wouldn't be touching money again, after all toilets don't scrub themselves...
 
You have no right to make any assumptions based on my comment. I know who Trump is, I have always known who Trump is. I have been aware of who and what Trump is for the past 40 years. I would state unequivocally that I know Trump as a person more than you could ever know, or should I say 'care' to know.

So, run along now. Go do your Trump mission on someone else who cares to engage with you. 'The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know.'

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Well, we sure can see your intense hatred of Trump....run along now, spewing it all over the web.
 
Still denying what everyone knows, there was clearly collusion with Russia and the only reason there is not collusion with Ukraine is that trump got caught!!!


Lol, another one who doesn't believe the Mueller report....Jeesh!
 
It has not been proven, it has been investigated, meaning there was actual evidence of him being exactly that.

If you suspect an employee of stealing, the evidence points to that person do you still keep him on even if your security says it sure looks like he did it but we don't have enough on him to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt..

For me, he wouldn't be touching money again, after all toilets don't scrub themselves...


Yeah, just make an accusation and that's that....he is history. So long for the Constitution of the United States.
 
Well, we sure can see your intense hatred of Trump....run along now, spewing it all over the web.

Or, you know, the facts show he bribed and extorted people and constantly lies and obstructs justice.

But it's my opinion that you guys love that kind of criminal behavior from your politicians. Hell, Rush and Sean have been calling for this kind of aggressive behavior forever.

I say you guys should just own it. Everyone would respect you more.
 
Last time I checked, a duly elected president can, indeed, commit treason

Trump and his supporters may not be charged with treason in the Constitutional sense but they indeed have betrayed America's values and the Constitution

Like mr. Wilson says it's no secret they've done it out in the open for all it's plain to see

Point of order.

" Duly elected president" should always be in "quotes" in the case of this "President"...
 
If false accusations really bothers you then you must truly hate Donald Trump for falsely accuses and harasses others on a daily basis , tosses around words like treason so cavalierly to a degree hitherto unheard of by any former president of modern history

The Mueller report documented at least 127 instances of contact between Trump's campaign and Russia. If that isn't collusion I don't know what is. Mueller determined he didn't have enough evidence to convict for conspiracy and I'm okay with that noting that Mueller did indeed find several clear cut examples of obstruction of justice for which Mueller asserted he would not charge Trump because of an OLC policy noting that he also stated he could not exonerate Trump.

As for the articles of impeachment and so far as obstruction of Congress contempt of congress and abuse-of-power, the evidence for those are incontrovertible given they were committed in plain sight for everyone to see.

Do you think articles of impeachment should include all the actual crimes, and clear high crimes and misdemeanors included in the report???
 
Being falsely accused on a daily basis by the democrats and the news media in a coordinated effort to overturn an election in this great country is treasonous, imo. I will admit at times, Trump goes too far, but then again I am not in his shoes....heck I might act even worse. It is hilarious to see the democrats accuse Trump of what they are actually doing...it's crazy.

I think you really need to look up the word "falsely".

That is a term usually used by the lawyer of a guilty client on the court steps.

In other words a lie...
 
Do you think articles of impeachment should include all the actual crimes, and clear high crimes and misdemeanors included in the report???

Obstruction and abuse of power
 
Just because trump had ties to Russia from decades ago doesn’t mean he was in their pocket since then..

There is no reason for Russia to care about trump back then..

I think this all started when it was clear he had a legit shot at the nomination.

If trump was already in their pocket. There is no need to set up the trump tower meeting through a middle man.

I think it started with the email from Jr... then trump changed the gop party platform as a down payment. Then Russia released the dnc emails too close to the election for tptb to sort through them.

At this point he might be a puppet because Putin could probably prove the collusion narrative, but I see no reason to think the politics went back further.


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You forget about all the bailouts by Russian oligarchs buy trump properties for more than twice their value, and the fact that the KGB commonly groomed possible assets for decades just in the case they became useful.

Trump became useful...
 
And never forget to add that not one of the people trump has accused of felonies is even being seriously investigated..


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Doj investigated fisa alleged improprieties but found nothing
 
Yeah, just make an accusation and that's that....he is history. So long for the Constitution of the United States.

You are seriously bringing up the Constitution while supporting trump who takes a big dump on it everyday???
 
Goodness....filled with a plethora of assumptions. It's apparent you do not accept the vote of the people in the 2016 election with his landslide electoral college win. You simply believe as Pelosi, that he is an imposter, and you will do and say anything whatsoever to discredit the President. He is NOT a Russian operative.....it has been proven....so cease with your LIES.

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Just because trump had ties to Russia from decades ago doesn’t mean he was in their pocket since then..

There is no reason for Russia to care about trump back then..

I think this all started when it was clear he had a legit shot at the nomination.

If trump was already in their pocket. There is no need to set up the trump tower meeting through a middle man.

I think it started with the email from Jr... then trump changed the gop party platform as a down payment. Then Russia released the dnc emails too close to the election for tptb to sort through them.

At this point he might be a puppet because Putin could probably prove the collusion narrative, but I see no reason to think the politics went back further.
I'll note that Trump ran for President in 2000. So, Russian interest probably went back that far, and likely earlier. I think the influence campaign began in earnest, though, in 2013.
 
I'll note that Trump ran for President in 2000. So, Russian interest probably went back that far, and likely earlier. I think the influence campaign began in earnest, though, in 2013.


Then why was a middle man required to set up the trump tower meeting???

Imho we have to be really careful about accusations, because the sheeple will latch on to the corner of a point that isn’t valid. Then harp on that while ignoring EVERYTHING else was accurate.

The propaganda is strong with this one..


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[h=1]The Traitors Among Us[/h]by Rick Wilson

America once used the words “treason” and “traitors” only in cases of actual betrayal of our nation’s most vital secrets or interests. They were profound words, deep with meaning, grim in import, carrying with them the knowledge that the penalty for treason was death.

Be honest: The words “traitor” and “treason” don’t have the sting they once had; they’ve been devalued from mis- and over-use by this president. For Donald Trump, any opposition, either personal, ideological, or political is treason. Anyone who stands in his path betrays the Great Leader. Anyone who fails to take the knee is a traitor.

Like hearing an insult too many times drains it of its potency, Trump has diluted the power of that approbation. He has labeled loyal, dedicated Americans who served this country in the military and law enforcement as traitors, so much so that we could almost give in to the temptation to excuse it as “Trump being Trump” and let it slide like any of the other insults he vomits forth on the daily.

Which is a shame, because America is in the midst of a treason boom right now, and more than a few people in Trump’s immediate orbit — and Trump himself — richly and actually deserve the title of traitor, and the treason inherent in their acts and words is apparent.

Traitors from Benedict Arnold to Klaus Fuchs to Aldrich Ames to Robert Hanssen sold out this country for a host of reasons, all explicable and unforgivable. The intelligence community even has a handy acronym for the motivations of traitors, and one that applies readily to known cases. The acronym is MICE: Money, Ideology, Compromise, and Ego. Pick a traitor and one of those reasons will underpin their betrayal.
Add a new one to the acronym. Call it, MICE-T, with the “T” naturally standing for Trump.

Their treason isn’t executed in the old ways of secret meetings, furtive brush passes, or encrypted messages. No, the traitors of today show us their cards on cable TV, laughing and giggling over their betrayal of the oath they swore, and the security of this country, all for the political service of Donald Trump.

As the impeachment hearings have worn on and as evidence of the complete moral collapse of the Republican Party has become more and more evident, it has become quite obvious there really are traitors among us. There are elected officials who have made the decision to protect a corrupt president by embracing conspiracy theories, refusing to acknowledge sworn testimony of career foreign-service officials, and piling on to Trump’s attack of democratic institutions.

The traitors deliberately ignore the reporting, counsel, and warnings of the intelligence community when it comes to Russia’s attacks and Vladimir Putin’s vast, continuing intelligence and propaganda warfare against the United States.

Trump -- And Those in His Orbit -- Are the Traitors: Rick Wilson Writes - Rolling Stone

OMG! I have never seen as much projection in my entire life.
 
I'll note that Trump ran for President in 2000. So, Russian interest probably went back that far, and likely earlier. I think the influence campaign began in earnest, though, in 2013.



I think the “influence” narrative is wrong the opposite way lol..

Russia wasn’t trying to “influence the election” or pervert democracy..

They were trying to help trump win..

There is a difference.

I’m not sure there would have been a disinformation campaign if not for them having a choice candidate they wanted..

“Perverting our democracy “ and influencing our elections” sounds intangible.. like there is no specific bad guy.. they just wanted chaos..

That is not the case.. they specifically backed trump and only trump the whole time.. even during the nomination.


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