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Will winning 4 more years have Trump move us into the dictator camp of nations?

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Trump seems more comfortable dealing with those nations headed by dictators, than with those headed by elected leaders. He also seems to admire authoritarian leaders with their ability to do as they want with their countries. Polls show that 43% of Trump supporters look kindly on a more authoritarian president who does not have to have to listen to the Congress or the courts. Trump seems to want to do away with NATO. All of this points to Trump as wanting to move our country into what might be called the league of nations headed by the dictators around the world. SO if Trump winds 4 more years, could you see Trump moving us away from the democracies and toward the dictatorships?
 
Trump's refusal to submit to any oversight he doesn't feel is "fair" is a move in that direction.
 
independentusa said:
Trump seems more comfortable dealing with those nations headed by dictators, than with those headed by elected leaders. He also seems to admire authoritarian leaders with their ability to do as they want with their countries. Polls show that 43% of Trump supporters look kindly on a more authoritarian president who does not have to have to listen to the Congress or the courts. Trump seems to want to do away with NATO. All of this points to Trump as wanting to move our country into what might be called the league of nations headed by the dictators around the world. SO if Trump winds 4 more years, could you see Trump moving us away from the democracies and toward the dictatorships?
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Some of us see this now, or at the least we see authoritarianism.
 
less right said:
Trump's refusal to submit to any oversight he doesn't feel is "fair" is a move in that direction.
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And he already has the court to approve most of what he wants. After RBG is gone, we lose even the glimmer of hope that SCOTUS will stop him.
 
Amelia said:
And he already has the court to approve most of what he wants. After RBG is gone, we lose even the glimmer of hope that SCOTUS will stop him.
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Call me an optimist but while the court may lean right, I don't think they will lean "Trump".
 
less right said:
Call me an optimist but while the court may lean right, I don't think they will lean "Trump".
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Yes, and no. Trump is appointing those who believe in a more unitary unilaterally-acting Presidency. That helps him in his deeds.
 
Maybe Trump will have more flexibility to work with dictators after he wins in 2020.
 
eman623 said:
Maybe Trump will have more flexibility to work with dictators after he wins in 2020.
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Yea, I mean after all Pelosi is acting like a dictator in the house.
 
independentusa said:
Trump seems more comfortable dealing with those nations headed by dictators, than with those headed by elected leaders. He also seems to admire authoritarian leaders with their ability to do as they want with their countries. Polls show that 43% of Trump supporters look kindly on a more authoritarian president who does not have to have to listen to the Congress or the courts. Trump seems to want to do away with NATO. All of this points to Trump as wanting to move our country into what might be called the league of nations headed by the dictators around the world. SO if Trump winds 4 more years, could you see Trump moving us away from the democracies and toward the dictatorships?
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There is more reality in Star Wars than this crap statement.
 
Casca XV said:
There is more reality in Star Wars than this crap statement.
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Yep these morons have more conspiracy theories than Alex jones.

They can't name one freedom trump has taken away from them.

Nor can they name any way that he has become a dictator either.
 
Trump might go so far as to sign a treaty with the Iranians theocratic dictatorship and green light them to sell oil on the open market and fund terrorism again. Maybe send a 747 or two stuffed with cash to sweeten the deal.
 
eman623 said:
Maybe Trump will have more flexibility to work with dictators after he wins in 2020.
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That's what we're worried about. With as much "flexibility" as he has already shown when he has still had to answer to America-loving voters in the heartland, there's no telling how far his adulation for the dictators will take him when he doesn't have to worry about being reelected.

He already lets dictators decide his foreign policy during phone calls with no heads-up to the Pentagon. I have learned not to underestimate the treachery he's willing to commit with the checks and balances we currently have in place. He has already been undermining those checks and balances. If he is reelected, they won't exist anymore and there will be nothing standing between him and his longing for the approval of murderous dictators.
 
eman623 said:
Trump might go so far as to sign a treaty with the Iranians theocratic dictatorship and green light them to sell oil on the open market and fund terrorism again. Maybe send a 747 or two stuffed with cash to sweeten the deal.
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He has nothing against that. He has nothing against what actually happened. He has nothing against the rightwing's version of what happened.

He would gladly do it himself.

His only objection to it is that Obama did it and Obama is the one who was getting credit for bringing Iran into the fellowship of civilized nations. In Trump's egomaniacal attempt to obliterate Obama's legacy, he had to blow up the multilateral deal that Obama was part of and try to make Iran desperate enough to be willing to enter some agreement that had the Trump name on it instead of the Obama name.
 
You people need to stop reading conspiracy theorists.
 
independentusa said:
SO if Trump winds 4 more years, could you see Trump moving us away from the democracies and toward the dictatorships?
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1. No, I do not.

2. If His Excellency is reelected and if the Senate stays in Republican hands, then:

a. President Trump will no longer feel insecure.

b. President Trump will become the soul of graciousness.

c. President Trump will be able to ignore any new impeachment attempts (and there will be some; his enemies are implacable).

d. President Trump will definitely watch his p's and q's more carefully.

e. President Trump may even start attending the Washington Correspondents' annual dinner.

f. President Trump will be more diplomatic and smoother with everyone. He will actually stop using Twitter to insult his enemies, whom he will simply ignore.
 
The threat to this republic, as always, is on the left. Schiff's Soviet style show trail hearings are but another example.
 
America is less susceptible to 'moving into the dictator camp', but we're far more susceptible to moving into the corrupt camp, while the basic institutions continue - a (corrupt) Congress, a (corrupt) Supreme Court, more and more corrupt officials appointed who serve the corrupt officials, etc. We ALREADY have a basically entirely corrupt Republican Party; ya, it would get worse.
 
Chomsky said:
Yes, and no. Trump is appointing those who believe in a more unitary unilaterally-acting Presidency. That helps him in his deeds.
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I can't argue with that but I'm hoping they don't do like Trump and completely misunderstand the constitution.
 
less right said:
I can't argue with that but I'm hoping they don't do like Trump and completely misunderstand the constitution.
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Obviously they will all understand the Constitution well enough. It's their ideologies that differ.
 
Craig234 said:
America is less susceptible to 'moving into the dictator camp', but we're far more susceptible to moving into the corrupt camp, while the basic institutions continue - a (corrupt) Congress, a (corrupt) Supreme Court, more and more corrupt officials appointed who serve the corrupt officials, etc. We ALREADY have a basically entirely corrupt Republican Party; ya, it would get worse.
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I don't really see a corrupt SCOTUS occurring, bar the hot-mess sellout that Kavanaugh is. But I do believe there could be troubling ideologies.
 
Amelia said:
He has nothing against that. He has nothing against what actually happened. He has nothing against the rightwing's version of what happened.

He would gladly do it himself.

His only objection to it is that Obama did it and Obama is the one who was getting credit for bringing Iran into the fellowship of civilized nations. In Trump's egomaniacal attempt to obliterate Obama's legacy, he had to blow up the multilateral deal that Obama was part of and try to make Iran desperate enough to be willing to enter some agreement that had the Trump name on it instead of the Obama name.
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"Fellowship of civilized nations?" Wow. Just, wow. You have truly been partaking of your own koolaid. Iran was and is a dictatorship that actively exports terrorism.

You also missed the point of my other "more flexibility after the election" comment. That was directed at Obama too.
 
Chomsky said:
I don't really see a corrupt SCOTUS occurring, bar the hot-mess sellout that Kavanaugh is. But I do believe there could be troubling ideologies.
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We already HAVE a corrupt Supreme Court. I'm not talking about the simple corruption of taking cash for a vote, I'm talking about the systemic corruption caused by The Federalist Society grooming an army of lawyers and judges to adopt a corrupt, plutocratic ideology, and systematically getting them into power, where they now hold a majority of the Supreme Court - with Republican corruption appointing them.
 
Amelia said:
And he already has the court to approve most of what he wants. After RBG is gone, we lose even the glimmer of hope that SCOTUS will stop him.
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SCOTUS is not supposed to stop Presidents. SCOTUS decides on Constitutional issues.
 
Craig234 said:
We already HAVE a corrupt Supreme Court. I'm not talking about the simple corruption of taking cash for a vote, I'm talking about the systemic corruption caused by The Federalist Society grooming an army of lawyers and judges to adopt a corrupt, plutocratic ideology, and systematically getting them into power, where they now hold a majority of the Supreme Court - with Republican corruption appointing them.
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I see what your getting at here, but I would stop short of calling this "corruption". I see ideological tailoring. And you even used "ideology" in your description. There are differing ideologies than you & I may support, and that doesn't necessarily imply corruption.
 
jimbo said:
SCOTUS is not supposed to stop Presidents. SCOTUS decides on Constitutional issues.
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Ah, but SCOTUS can declare Presidential action (or inaction) un-Constitutional. Then it's Congress' job to take it from there - or not.
 
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