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Giuliani just confessed to the crime. He also revealed something bigger.

It helped Clinton and hurt the GOP. The reverse will happen this time but more significantly.

It will be interesting to see what happens. Americans know someone who got a BJ from the secretary, then lied about it. Americans do not know someone who attempted to bribe a foreign government to interfere in American elections.

Maybe you're right, and Americans care that little for their country. Pathetic, but unsurprising to anyone who has read the posts on DP.
 
New Remarks From Top Ukrainian Official Damages Democrats’ Impeachment Narrative
November 14th, 2019

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko said on Thursday that the United States Ambassador Gordon Sondland did not link financial military assistance to a request for Ukraine to open up an investigation into former vice president and current Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden.

“Ambassador Sondland did not tell us, and certainly did not tell me, about a connection between the assistance and the investigations,” Prystaiko said, according to Reuters. “You should ask him.”

“I have never seen a direct relationship between investigations and security assistance,” Prystaiko continued. “Yes, the investigations were mentioned, you know, in the conversation of the presidents. But there was no clear connection between these events.”

Prystaiko’s comments came after House Democrats launched their public impeachment inquiry hearings on Wednesday on the House Intelligence Committee.


Jim Jordan Shreds Democrats’ Impeachment Witness: ‘What You Heard Did Not Happen’

Jim Jordan Shreds Democrats’ Impeachment Witness: ‘What You Heard Did Not Happen’ | The Daily Wire

Jordan: You didn’t listen in on President Trump and Zelensky’s call?

Taylor: I did not.

Jordan: You’ve never talked with Chief of Staff Mulvaney?

Taylor: I never did.

Jordan: You’ve never met the president?

Taylor: That’s correct.

Jordan: You had three meetings again with Zelenksy and it didn’t come up … and President Zelensky never made an announcement. … and you’re their star witness.

So the Trump admin, after failing to bribe Ukraine to interfere in American elections due to a WB, couldn't have let Zelensky know to say the right things if he wants continued American support, because the Senate has made it crystal clear Trump is going to be allowed to do this?

Jesus, show some Common Sense for Pete's sake. SMH.
 
Whatever.

Trump will forever be known as an impeached US president. That stink never comes off.

He will be remembered for his filling the federal court with conservative judges!

Changes To The Federal Courts: Trump’s Most Significant And Lasting Legacy
The impact of Trump’s nominees will be felt long after he leaves office.


Changes To The Federal Courts: Trump’s Most Significant And Lasting Legacy | Above the Law

With over a year left in his presidential term, Trump should reach nearly 200 total federal judicial appointments. With many of these judges tipping the balance of the courts in favor of Republican-nominated judges, the transition in the types of the decisions these courts make are already noticeable. These changes will become even more apparent as time goes on. While there is no guarantee that any one of these judges will espouse hard line conservative principles, the sheer number of appointments to such a diverse range of federal courts does set an expectation that the courts will likely never be the same as they were before Trump achieved the office of president.
 
LOL, so that's what Guilliani has been up to. Making sure Zelensky better say the right things if he wants continued American support.

Great... DNC talking points. The little charade has been exposed. You have failed once again!! :lamo:peace
 
New Remarks From Top Ukrainian Official Damages Democrats’ Impeachment Narrative
November 14th, 2019

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko said on Thursday that the United States Ambassador Gordon Sondland did not link financial military assistance to a request for Ukraine to open up an investigation into former vice president and current Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden.

“Ambassador Sondland did not tell us, and certainly did not tell me, about a connection between the assistance and the investigations,” Prystaiko said, according to Reuters. “You should ask him.”

“I have never seen a direct relationship between investigations and security assistance,” Prystaiko continued. “Yes, the investigations were mentioned, you know, in the conversation of the presidents. But there was no clear connection between these events.”

Prystaiko’s comments came after House Democrats launched their public impeachment inquiry hearings on Wednesday on the House Intelligence Committee.


Jim Jordan Shreds Democrats’ Impeachment Witness: ‘What You Heard Did Not Happen’

Jim Jordan Shreds Democrats’ Impeachment Witness: ‘What You Heard Did Not Happen’ | The Daily Wire

Jordan: You didn’t listen in on President Trump and Zelensky’s call?

Taylor: I did not.

Jordan: You’ve never talked with Chief of Staff Mulvaney?

Taylor: I never did.

Jordan: You’ve never met the president?

Taylor: That’s correct.

Jordan: You had three meetings again with Zelenksy and it didn’t come up … and President Zelensky never made an announcement. … and you’re their star witness.

The Daily Wire?

:rofl
 
Democrats basically don't even think the people who choose not to support them are human. That's why they refer to us as "deplorables" and "trumpettes" and such. Basically, as far as Democrats are concerned you're either with them or you're against them and if you're against them then there is nothing beyond the pale they can do to insure that your vote doesn't go to someone else.

The various versions of "trumpette" are referring to the unnatural lockstep acceptance of every narrative as it arrives on conservative media. Delivered using exactly the same verbiage and imagery. No nuance, no rejection or qualification of any element.

Even when the new narrative is exactly the opposite of the last.

It's creepy. Like the Borg, or the Stepford Wives.
 
Joe’s a civilian. Isn’t he entitled to “Due Process”?
A congressional committee voting to investigate someone is due process.
Consider that in some places it only takes three people to get a warrant — a cop, a witness, and a judge.
Getting more than half of a congressional committee to agree one something takes more than that.

AfaIct, congressional investigatory powers are practically almost unlimited.
They are bound by the need for the topic of the investigation to be a topic on which legislation could be had.
Congress doesn't even have to be actively considering legislation on the topic of investigation. It only has to be a topic that it is possible for Congress to consider legislation on the subject.

Again, if there was a crime, why hasn’t the DOJ or FBI opened an investigation on it? Is it because there is nothing to find? Why is Trump waffling on this?
Imho, the lack of a DOJ investigation is because the DOJ has yet to see sufficient reason to open an investigation.
But my opinion is uninteresting and beside the point.
What is interesting are the folks who have yet to wonder about why the Senate and the USDOJ are unconcerned about the Biden business.

I think that a large parts of the Trumpco political narrative (and CTs in general) are better suited for the people who are not in power.
Once you become The Man™, you become responsible.
If stuff ain't going right, you're the one responsible.
It's much easier for outsiders to sell the idea that the Powers That Be are the conspiracy.
When you are the PTB, it's your responsibility to make sure that things run right.

So, Trumpco complaints about unprosecuted crimes fail (for me anyway) because Trumpco has had three years with their hands at the levers of government.
If there're crimes the USDOJ needs to investigate, the people in charge of the USDOJ are responsible. Deal with it. It's literally your job.
Doubly so for GOP complaints. The GOP had control of BOTH houses of Congress for years.
If there was Biden related funny business years ago, why haven't they done their jobs?

This is the part where you have to believe that there is an orchestrated and effective conspiracy of career civil service personnel.
I can't tell if the government workers in The Deep State Conspiracy™ are the same civil servants who're supposed to be unable to function efficiently, effectively, or at all.
It could be that despite their lack of competence, they are somehow still able to stymie the administrative skills of The Smartest Guy™.
But perhaps the The Deep State Conspiracy™ is only among some new, secret, elite of the civil service sector who are coordinated and competent enough to stymie the executive abilities of The Smartest Guy™.
idk
 
It's a sham. Trump and his cohorts are angry because:
- No impropriety has been found regarding Joe Biden and the firing of Viktor Shokin. The US, EU and IMF all demanded that the corrupt Shokin be removed from office.
- The allegations of corruption on the part of the owner of Burisma occurred before Hunter Biden was connected to this company.
- Trumps shakedown of Ukraine was discovered and exposed before it yielded the Biden smears the White House demanded from Kyiv.
- Twelve high ranking government employees testified before the House Intelligence Committee that Trump was engaged in a quid-pro-quo shakedown of the Ukraine government.
Trump, Pence, Pompeo, and their aides are still ignoring legal and valid subpoena's for personal testimony and documents. This stonewalling is, in itself, criminal obstruction.

Eventually, they will see it for a sham.
Eventually, it will have always been obvious Trumpco's selling only a bill of goods.
Just like how now it seems it has always been obvious that the invasion of Iraq was foolhardy.
 
A congressional committee voting to investigate someone is due process.......

Awesome. It’s been over 3 years. What’s the holdup? Are the Republicans waiting to lose Congress to the Democrats before they move to open an investigation?

...Imho, the lack of a DOJ investigation is because the DOJ has yet to see sufficient reason to open an investigation...
I think you are correct. They got nothing. The entire conspiracy theory has been debunked by several sources.

FWIW, there is no “Deep State”. Just another conspiracy theory to explain failures by people who don’t like to take responsibility for their actions, jobs and/or lives.

If there is a “Deep State”, this is it:

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Awesome. It’s been over 3 years. What’s the holdup? Are the Republicans waiting to lose Congress to the Democrats before they move to open an investigation?
My suspicion is the obvious one that the Senators know full well that there's no there there.
I just have curiosity about whether or not proponents of the Biden business have had thoughts themselves about why neither the current GOP controlled Senate nor the GOP House of recent years past bothered to do anything about this clear evidence of "corruption" in public.
Most Senate committees have fewer than twenty members. So all that would need to happen is for probably fewer than a dozen Senators to decide that the Biden business was worth investigating.
Then there would be an investigation.

FWIW, there is no “Deep State”. Just another conspiracy theory to explain failures by people who don’t like to take responsibility for their actions, jobs and/or lives.
There IS a a deep state. It's just not a conspiracy. It's just a bunch of individuals who work together in different places at different jobs all over the country and the world.
Career civil servants, members of the military, etc. are all members of the deep state.
There's just no Deep State Conspiracy™.

Most Americans just don't like Trump.
These Americans are found throughout the whole country doing a variety of things.
If the demographics of this large group of government employees, career civil servants, members of the military, etc. are representative of the country as a whole, then most of the group disapprove of the job Trump is doing.
But that's a function of being Americans rather than a function of being government employees.
 
What rumor about Biden was started by Russia? Biden said what he said H Biden worked where he worked.
Meanwhile, we of course had spent about three years in national catharsis over a rumor started by Russia that Trump was conspiring with Russia.

You do realize that the narrative all of this is supposed to support is that the Democrats "hacked" the DNC server and released all those emails that showed that their chosen candidate had a lock on the primary through superdelegates, in order to frame Russia and trump.

Who hadn't won yet.

And infuriated Bernie voters to the point as many as one in ten actually voted for trump in protest.

I still can't figure out why people buy into the idea that the dems sabotaged Hillary as some kind of backup plan in case trump won when no one expected him to.

But that is the narrative the Republicans are selling.

And their constituents are buying.
 
No, Biden's hypocrisy became a topic once this specious claim about Trump and Ukraine was trotted out as Act II to the Mueller failure. If you're going to claim that Trump committed a quid pro quo, it is best not to nominate a guy who publicly bragged about his own one in the same country.

Also, the US has no jurisdiction to investigate goings on in Ukraine concerning Biden. The Ukrainians rightly have to do that and that is all that Trump requested. Plus, the gist of his request concerned the 2016 election, not Biden. Yet, the Dems glom onto Biden as if he was the topic. He wasn't.

Boy, they got y'all on lock.

Re-read the call summary y'all call a "transcript".

Then please tell us the story of the DNC server hidden at the crowdstrike home office in Ukraine that is owned by "one of your rich guys".

In your own words.

Because that's what clownboy asked them to find.
 
Then please tell us the story of the DNC server hidden at the crowdstrike home office in Ukraine that is owned by "one of your rich guys".

In your own words.

Because that's what clownboy asked them to find.

Even Rudy will have a tough time finding the magic server in Ukraine. The DNC information infrastructure was cloud based.

Crowdstrike was one of four security companies investigating the DNC hacks. ThreatConnect, Fidelis, and Mandiant also investigated.

Why do we never hear anything about them? (Because that would complicate the CT beyond work-ability)

Who’s Really to Blame for the ‘Ukraine Did It’ Conspiracy Theory?
 
Very good explanation of the Russian/trump disinformation campaign, and completely explains some of the posters on this very site...

Indeed it does describe a number of posters on this site. So Russian trolls or just useful idiots? I think Russian trolls would be more capable, so I suspect the latter.
 
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You do realize that the narrative all of this is supposed to support is that the Democrats "hacked" the DNC server and released all those emails that showed that their chosen candidate had a lock on the primary through superdelegates, in order to frame Russia and trump.

Who hadn't won yet.

And infuriated Bernie voters to the point as many as one in ten actually voted for trump in protest.

I still can't figure out why people buy into the idea that the dems sabotaged Hillary as some kind of backup plan in case trump won when no one expected him to.

But that is the narrative the Republicans are selling.

And their constituents are buying.

As I have often pointed out in these pages a sure sign of a CT is the many twists and turns one must give license to in order to believe the CT is real. This is one is so absurd that it simply should be awarded the CT Trophy of the year and they should retire the award.
 
Even Rudy will have a tough time finding the magic server in Ukraine. The DNC information infrastructure was cloud based.

Crowdstrike was one of four security companies investigating the DNC hacks. ThreatConnect, Fidelis, and Mandiant also investigated.

Why do we never hear anything about them? (Because that would complicate the CT beyond work-ability)

Who’s Really to Blame for the ‘Ukraine Did It’ Conspiracy Theory?

Oh but when Rudy gets back apparently some Senate Committee or another (probably Judiciary) is going to allow Rudy to testify to his "findings". What a joke.
 
Even Rudy will have a tough time finding the magic server in Ukraine. The DNC information infrastructure was cloud based.

Crowdstrike was one of four security companies investigating the DNC hacks. ThreatConnect, Fidelis, and Mandiant also investigated.

Why do we never hear anything about them? (Because that would complicate the CT beyond work-ability)

Who’s Really to Blame for the ‘Ukraine Did It’ Conspiracy Theory?

I don't think the whole conspiracy theory can he repeated enough.

Because it is so stupid that even some trump supporters may not be able to continue to make themselves look stupid by repeating the more vague and sinister sounding narrative they're trying to push to clean up trump's mess.
 
...There IS a a deep state. It's just not a conspiracy. It's just a bunch of individuals who work together in different places at different jobs all over the country and the world.
Career civil servants, members of the military, etc. are all members of the deep state.
There's just no Deep State Conspiracy™.....

Dude, saying “the Deep State” is admitting to a conspiracy theory. There is no “deep state”. There’s just government workers.

Deep state in the United States - Wikipedia
In the United States, the "deep state" is a conspiracy theory[1][2][3][4][5] which suggests that collusion and cronyism exist within the US political system and constitute a hidden government within the legitimately elected government.[6][7][8][9][10] Fulbright scholar and former Republican U.S. Congressional aide Mike Lofgren believes that there is "a hybrid association of elements of government and parts of top-level finance and industry that is effectively able to govern the United States without reference to the consent of the governed as expressed through the formal political process",[11] or consider the deep state to encompass corruption prevalent among career politicians and civil servants.[12]
 
Oh but when Rudy gets back apparently some Senate Committee or another (probably Judiciary) is going to allow Rudy to testify to his "findings". What a joke.

please let Rudy do this and have an indictment waiting when he is done.
 
this era of Republicanism will eventually be viewed like we now view Southern Politicians from 1877 - 1960.
 
Dude, saying “the Deep State” is admitting to a conspiracy theory. There is no “deep state”. There’s just government workers.

Deep state in the United States - Wikipedia
In the United States, the "deep state" is a conspiracy theory[1][2][3][4][5] which suggests that collusion and cronyism exist within the US political system and constitute a hidden government within the legitimately elected government.[6][7][8][9][10] Fulbright scholar and former Republican U.S. Congressional aide Mike Lofgren believes that there is "a hybrid association of elements of government and parts of top-level finance and industry that is effectively able to govern the United States without reference to the consent of the governed as expressed through the formal political process",[11] or consider the deep state to encompass corruption prevalent among career politicians and civil servants.[12]

Dude, from wikipedia as well
"A deep state can also take the form of entrenched, career civil servants acting in a non-conspiratorial manner, to further their own interests."

That is the deep state which actually exists
 
Ahh, so a Union is the deep state in your opinion. Got it. Thanks.

You know by mixing such terms it just further muddies the waters. You’ll say “deep state” meaning the Unions while a RWNJ will think of the massive conspiracy to execute a coup d'etat.
 
Ahh, so a Union is the deep state in your opinion. Got it. Thanks.
You know by mixing such terms it just further muddies the waters. You’ll say “deep state” meaning the Unions while a RWNJ will think of the massive conspiracy to execute a coup d'etat.
I can only describe how language is being used.
I am unable to prescribe how people use it.

fwiw, a union is not the same things as the deep state.
 
You're the one using the definition. Why is a Union not the same?
To start, unions take coordinated action. The definition provided states that the people do not coordinate their efforts toward goals, it's non-conspiratorial.

w/e though.
believe as you like.
 
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