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Obscurity said:
You don't even know what the hell a progressive is.
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I posted to them yesterday that basically everything they say about Democrats is wrong.
 
Craig234 said:
I posted to them yesterday that basically everything they say about Democrats is wrong.
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They have no idea what a left ideology even is. All they repeat is the writings and musings of such intelectual titans, like Candace Owens, Rush Limpballs, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, and sordid other little demagogues.
 
Craig234 said:
There are a lot of things to correct in your post, but let's pick this one. This 'monocultural background' is nonsense. Very little crime is committed because of racial motives. People in Japan don't go around saying "let's find someone who's not Japanese to rob, because we only like Japanese people". It's something ignorant or lying people make up to explain things, who can't or don't want to discuss actual reasons.

It couldn't have ANYTHING to do, say, with lower levels of inequality, with different gun policies so there isn't an ocean of illegal weapons for criminals; people who point at higher black crime rates don't care to discuss that we have centuries of oppression of black families that is a history Japan doesn't have, instead they just say "monoculture" like it's an explanation.

Provide some evidence about how much more people in Japan fear the police than in the US and why.



There are noise laws, and the police can be called and order the people to lower the music (I've done it), and if the people continue to break the law they can be arrested.



I have a very low opinion of your uninformed support of violating other people's civil rights. I'd like the police to wake YOU every morning and search your house just in case, because screw your rights.

Bloomberg's policy was racist, and shown to NOT cause the lower crime rates you describe. You don't have the sense to support policies that ACTUALLY lower crime, so you demand things that harm people but don't help, because you can't be bother to get a clue or to value civil rights for others.
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Thank you for your opinion.

Of course, I respectfully disagree with many points, especially where you explain the reasons for the outrageous amount of violent crime in this country.

It's nice that people can express their viewpoints here. Of course, no one ever changes his/her views. It's just a nice opportunity to blow off some steam.



Have a great weekend!
 
TheParser said:
Thank you for your opinion.

Of course, I respectfully disagree with many points, especially where you explain the reasons for the outrageous amount of violent crime in this country.

It's nice that people can express their viewpoints here. Of course, no one ever changes his/her views. It's just a nice opportunity to blow off some steam.

Have a great weekend!
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That's very civil, but has no substance on the issues - why you think your opinions are right, or points on my positions. You have a nice weekend.
 
Obscurity said:
They have no idea what a left ideology even is. All they repeat is the writings and musings of such intelectual titans, like Candace Owens, Rush Limpballs, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, and sordid other little demagogues.
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Thanks to your post, I just coined a term for the people you list: the Paid Pipers.
 
Obscurity said:
Bloomberg isn't a progressive. He's a neoliberal technocrat, a davos tech billionaire corporatist.

You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
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to my knowledge he is a democrat and he is running on the democratic ticket.
he was a democrat when he was mayor of NY.

so once again you prove that you are the one that doesn't know what they are talking about.
but he isn't saying anything else that the current crop of leftist nutjobs haven't said already.

sorry but bloomberg can kiss my ass before i cede my rights to the government.
 
ludin said:
to my knowledge he is a democrat and he is running on the democratic ticket.
he was a democrat when he was mayor of NY.

so once again you prove that you are the one that doesn't know what they are talking about.
but he isn't saying anything else that the current crop of leftist nutjobs haven't said already.

sorry but bloomberg can kiss my ass before i cede my rights to the government.
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And once again you have no idea what the hell you're on about.

There is a difference between Leftists, Democrats, Progressives.

If you cared to know you would research it instead of regurgitating the nonsense your leaders tell you to.
 
Obscurity said:
And once again you have no idea what the hell you're on about.

There is a difference between Leftists, Democrats, Progressives.

If you cared to know you would research it instead of regurgitating the nonsense your leaders tell you to.
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sorry he is a democrat, and he is spouting the same thing that others have spouted.
any leftist can kiss my ass before i give up my rights.
 
ludin said:
sorry he is a democrat, and he is spouting the same thing that others have spouted.
any leftist can kiss my ass before i give up my rights.
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And like I said, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

What is a "leftist"?

What is a "democrat"?

What is a "progressive"?

And sorry, you lot are rather intolerabe, so I'm not kissing anything.
 
Obscurity said:
And like I said, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

What is a "leftist"?

What is a "democrat"?

What is a "progressive"?

And sorry, you lot are rather intolerabe, so I'm not kissing anything.
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yes leftist are intolerable. they are pretty much the lowest of the low.
no getting around that.

they accuse innocent people of crimes.
they believe in guilty until proven innocent
they put the life of criminals above the life of those trying to defend themselves from criminals.
they do not believe in due process or any other constitutional protection for that matter.

so yea they are pretty intolerable and do not fit into a free society.
 
Obscurity said:
And like I said, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

What is a "leftist"?

What is a "democrat"?

What is a "progressive"?

And sorry, you lot are rather intolerabe, so I'm not kissing anything.
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They are synonymous.

What is intolerabe?
 
ludin said:
yes leftist are intolerable. they are pretty much the lowest of the low.
no getting around that.

they accuse innocent people of crimes.
they believe in guilty until proven innocent
they put the life of criminals above the life of those trying to defend themselves from criminals.
they do not believe in due process or any other constitutional protection for that matter.

so yea they are pretty intolerable and do not fit into a free society.
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I am going to ignore your total screed here.

Answer my questions above please, because folks like you, that hold these beliefs, are the primary vector driving this nation apart.
 
Obscurity said:
And once again you have no idea what the hell you're on about.

There is a difference between Leftists, Democrats, Progressives.

If you cared to know you would research it instead of regurgitating the nonsense your leaders tell you to.
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Not long ago there was a difference.

Today?

Not enough to parse.
 
Obscurity said:
They absolutely are not synonymous. At all.
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I am open to a different understanding, but I doubt that there is one that I can believe in.

But I will give you a chance to change my mind if you are also open to my rebuttal.

Please explain how the three are different.
 
babalu said:
I am open to a different understanding, but I doubt that there is one that I can believe in.

But I will give you a chance to change my mind if you are also open to my rebuttal.

Please explain how the three are different.
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I asked for the conservative definition of the three, and I've yet to see any offered. There are big differences between the three and I'll gladly explain them to you, once you give me the definition you THINK applies.
 
Obscurity said:
I asked for the conservative definition of the three, and I've yet to see any offered. There are big differences between the three and I'll gladly explain them to you, once you give me the definition you THINK applies.
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Those of all three 'distinctions' are aggressively helping move the country toward Communism.

From The Agenda: Grinding America Down

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"When Idaho legislator Curtis Bowers wrote a 'letter to the editor' about the drastic changes in America's culture, it became the feature story on the evening news, people protested at the Capitol, and for weeks the local newspapers were filled with responses. He realized then, he'd hit on something. Ask almost anyone and you'll hear, 'Communism is dead! The Berlin Wall came down.' Though the word communism isn't used anymore, this film will show the ideas behind it are alive and well. Join Bowers for a fascinating look at the people and groups that have successfully targeted America's morality and freedom in their effort to grind America down"--
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Agenda - Grinding America Down (Part 1 of 2)

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Agenda - Grinding America Down (Part 2 of 2)

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babalu said:
Those of all three 'distinctions' are aggressively helping move the country toward Communism.

From The Agenda: Grinding America Down

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Agenda - Grinding America Down (Part 1 of 2)

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Agenda - Grinding America Down (Part 2 of 2)

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Hysterical agitprop and nonsense.

There is no real drive toward communism in this nation. None.

Progressives want change on all fronts. Outward expansion of social rights, economic rights and privileges, etc.

Liberal in the modern sense is different than "classical liberalism." Neoliberals embrace social outward progress but a stagnant or regressive laissez faire market economy. They do not believe so much in regulation as Progressives do. On social issues they are similar, however.

Democrat is a blanket political party term which encompasses those of progressive, classic liberal, neoliberal and other left ideology peoples.

There are anarcho-communists; there are left libertarians, like myself; there are moderate centrists, there are left independents, etc.

Parsing them all down to one derogatory perspective is the same as the left does to you guys.

The notion progressives are "social justice warriors" is derogatory drivel, just like claiming every republican is a neo-nazi. Some republicans indeed are neo-nazis; some democrats are indeed social justice warriors, for example.

It's not as simply as you say. For me, I do not agree with the blanket acceptance of LGBTQ rights, for example. Progressives do, liberals may be 50/50.

So when you guys smear and generalize you attack millions of people who you have no idea if they support what you're assaulting in the first place, same as those of us on the left - myself included - when we do it to republicans/conservatives.
 
Obscurity said:
Hysterical agitprop and nonsense.

There is no real drive toward communism in this nation. None.

Progressives want change on all fronts. Outward expansion of social rights, economic rights and privileges, etc.

Liberal in the modern sense is different than "classical liberalism." Neoliberals embrace social outward progress but a stagnant or regressive laissez faire market economy. They do not believe so much in regulation as Progressives do. On social issues they are similar, however.

Democrat is a blanket political party term which encompasses those of progressive, classic liberal, neoliberal and other left ideology peoples.

There are anarcho-communists; there are left libertarians, like myself; there are moderate centrists, there are left independents, etc.

Parsing them all down to one derogatory perspective is the same as the left does to you guys.

The notion progressives are "social justice warriors" is derogatory drivel, just like claiming every republican is a neo-nazi. Some republicans indeed are neo-nazis; some democrats are indeed social justice warriors, for example.

It's not as simply as you say. For me, I do not agree with the blanket acceptance of LGBTQ rights, for example. Progressives do, liberals may be 50/50.

So when you guys smear and generalize you attack millions of people who you have no idea if they support what you're assaulting in the first place, same as those of us on the left - myself included - when we do it to republicans/conservatives.
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Your argument supports YOUR incomplete understanding of the thing you enable.

Take the time to watch the video with a critical eye and THEN tell us what you think.
 
babalu said:
Your argument supports YOUR incomplete understanding of the thing you enable.

Take the time to watch the video with a critical eye and THEN tell us what you think.
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You didn't address anything I posted at all.

1. Expanding rights for individuals to make choices in their personal lives is not communist.

2. Expanding support for less well off individuals in our society is not communist.

I don't do conspiracy theories, so please, take this right wing trash and stuff it in the CT forum.
 
Obscurity said:
Hysterical agitprop and nonsense.
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None of these Communist goals in 1963 were in effect. How many have been fulfilled since then?

All of them.
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1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
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21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.
 
babalu said:
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.
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Conspiracy mouth breathing noise. I do so enjoy how much you guys DESPISE homosexuality. It's hilarious to see how flaccid and useless the right wing has become in justifying their rabid hatred of other people for their personal, private choices.

For those who claim to love rights and the constitution, you sure as hell are hell bent on forcing people to pursue happiness in only the way YOU want them to.

Your red scare has cried wolf too many times. Nobody cares anymore.
 
Obscurity said:
You didn't address anything I posted at all.

1. Expanding rights for individuals to make choices in their personal lives is not communist.

2. Expanding support for less well off individuals in our society is not communist.

I don't do conspiracy theories, so please, take this right wing trash and stuff it in the CT forum.
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Taking a myopic view of our culture enables you to avoid recognizing the truth.

Try seeing the larger view.

Every one of these 2020 Democrat Presidential candidates would give free healthcare to illegal aliens.

2020 presidential candidates back health care for illegal immigrants




Can you deny that is a sign of Socialism?




What's Wrong With Socialism?




Why Isnt Communism as Hated as Nazism?

 
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