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The desire to 'Own the Libs.'

tacomancer said:
I stopped using facebook a few years ago as it was clearly emotionally manipulative and I got tired of people acting stupidly. However, I still see this as a demographics issue. Younger people tend to be a little more jaded about these things and have mental defenses against this kind of manipulation that boomers do not have. The second problem is that this is like the war on drugs, someone is going to do this, so we need better tools.

The one provision I will support is from the EU's GDPR regulation in which this thing must be explicitly opt-in and the provider cannot deny service based on failure of the user to opt-in.
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Big Data is the new "oil" and we are all oil wells.
 
Obscurity said:
So the past 30 years of conditioning by their pundits was all for Trump, and the second he leaves, the "fever" will break?

That it?
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I don't think so. We still have the propagandists like Limaugh or Beck fueling the problem.
 
Obscurity said:
It's a REACTION to literal decades of conditioning on behalf of right wing pundits. Go look at the publishings. I don't hear any of the left commentators I listen to saying republicans aren't valid americans, nor do they compare them to baby murderers, and all the other sordid trash you hear spewing from the anus of right wing media these days (and the past 25+ years, for that matter.)
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The bias is strong in this one....

I have read so many times howmthe right hates the poor, what’s to throw granny off a bridge, a faction of the left thinks ordinary conservatives are Nazis/Fascists and tries to literally silence them. You have to be kidding me.
 
Ikari said:
We just may have to Gandhi this one, yes.

I think you can stop toxic partisanship through aggregate education and intelligence. It's not an easy road for sure, and it's an aggregate effect so you have to build it up. It can be done, it just takes more work that bringing a gun to a gun fight.
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A perspective we do not share, sadly. The Norwegians tried the peace route with Christians at first. Then Harald went about destroying Temples. Then Denmark's king tried to force Christianity on Haakon, resulting in a religious war. Then, Olaf I force converted the country. He destroyed temples. He executed people. The Jarls of Lade revitalized pagansim; only for it to be brutally stamped out by "Saint" Olaf, the next "king", who destroyed the remnants of paganism, eviscerated the cultural heritage of the norwegian pagan, and brutally implemented christianity by all means necessary.

Trying to "convince" those who do not want to be convinced isn't successful in the majority of instances. History tells us that those who sit idly and allow this sort of insurgency while taking high roads do not fare well, sadly.
 
tacomancer said:
That is part of the problem. A lot of modern propaganda has figured out how to tap into the monkey brain and promote things like aggression and tribalism.
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Yes, this is true.
 
tacomancer said:
I don't think so. We still have the propagandists like Limaugh or Beck fueling the problem.
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Correct. And therein lies the problem. The media that is consumed by people confirms bias and in the case of the right wing, reimagines this as a christian nation that fought not against a king but a parliament in britain. LOL.
 
Obscurity said:
So the past 30 years of conditioning by their pundits was all for Trump, and the second he leaves, the "fever" will break?

That it?
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The fever, yes. There's still the cold that needs to be treated. But I think that Trump has drummed it up to levels never seen before. I don't think the problem goes away with Trump, Trump is a symptom of the bigger cold. But he's certainly created the biggest rift and caused some of the most damage. So first step is to get rid of him. We can come down from that a little. But you're going to have to work still afterwards. But hopefully once folk start to calm down, see what we had done while tripping Trump Balls, that we can try to restore some sanity.

I just don't buy that the way to restore sanity to the system is to be insane.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
In order for a United Republic, there has to be a consensus of political, cultural, and social values that are recognized by everyone regardless of one’s individual ideological political views. That consensus exists as long as both sides recognize the legitimacy of their opponents. What has happened is that republicans have been acting like Democrats are not legitimate and have no right to exercise political power.

Speaking of this “holy war” as you disdainfully call it, have you considered the possibility of there being no other choice but fighting? Choosing not to fight and finding common ground only work if both sides have shared values that are recognized and agreed upon. But trying to compromise one’s own principles and values to find common ground with someone with values that are hostile toward what you hold dear? That is compromising the values that define your character, and without those values then a person is left with nothing.
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Trump Nation already made up its mind a long long time ago, long before Trump even considered running for office.
 
Simpletruther said:
The bias is strong in this one....

I have read so many times howmthe right hates the poor, what’s to throw granny off a bridge, a faction of the left thinks ordinary conservatives are Nazis/Fascists and tries to literally silence them. You have to be kidding me.
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Oh, I am sure there is a faction of the left that calls right wingers nazis.

However, like I said, if you DARE, you, yourself, personally - DARE to go listen to Kyle Kulinski. Tell me he says those things.

Now, if I go listen to Limbaugh or Hannity, how many times will I hear about the left hating america?

How many times will I hear about liberals destroying the country?
 
Ikari said:
The fever, yes. There's still the cold that needs to be treated. But I think that Trump has drummed it up to levels never seen before. I don't think the problem goes away with Trump, Trump is a symptom of the bigger cold. But he's certainly created the biggest rift and caused some of the most damage. So first step is to get rid of him. We can come down from that a little. But you're going to have to work still afterwards. But hopefully once folk start to calm down, see what we had done while tripping Trump Balls, that we can try to restore some sanity.

I just don't buy that the way to restore sanity to the system is to be insane.
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It's not insanity to defend yourself when you're being attacked. That's NATURAL.

Remember. Obama thought the fever would break once he was re-elected. He was wrong.
 
Obscurity said:
A perspective we do not share, sadly. The Norwegians tried the peace route with Christians at first. Then Harald went about destroying Temples. Then Denmark's king tried to force Christianity on Haakon, resulting in a religious war. Then, Olaf I force converted the country. He destroyed temples. He executed people. The Jarls of Lade revitalized pagansim; only for it to be brutally stamped out by "Saint" Olaf, the next "king", who destroyed the remnants of paganism, eviscerated the cultural heritage of the norwegian pagan, and brutally implemented christianity by all means necessary.

Trying to "convince" those who do not want to be convinced isn't successful in the majority of instances. History tells us that those who sit idly and allow this sort of insurgency while taking high roads do not fare well, sadly.
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I think History also shows that those who sink to the bottom don't fare well either.

Enjoy your Holy War and the cages it will bring.
 
Obscurity said:
Correct. And therein lies the problem. The media that is consumed by people confirms bias and in the case of the right wing, reimagines this as a christian nation that fought not against a king but a parliament in britain. LOL.
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One of the biggest benefits of the internet is that the younger generation pretty much all have friends who live in another culture or country. The cultural isolation that allows this particular brand of conservatism to thrive (I don't think the tendency towards conservatism is the problem, just the current US culture) is pretty much gone, except for self selected groups. Their culture is dying and they know it as we had our quiet revolution of young people becoming more worldly.

Education, thoughtfulness, empathy, and perspective are the cure to people like Limbaugh who can only thrive with an uneducated (culturally) population.
 
tacomancer said:
How did your hat not fall off?
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:lamo - I corrected the upside down picture LOL...stupid DP software is quite capricious with things like sizing, orientation and aspect ratio.
I wish to God there was better image editing capabilities.
I would much rather size every image I post to something like 330 X 330px, just for starters.
I'm always a bit taken aback when an image I post winds up eating 99% of screen "real estate"...it's never been my intention.
Even if DP's GUI just automatically scaled everything down to a default rez/pix size it would be wonderful.
 
Ikari said:
I think that it's just an RC circuit. Remove the voltage, and it will start to discharge.
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Nope sorry.
It's good to discover that you've never been a hardcore drug addict or religious fundie.
I'd know right off if you had. You do not seem to bear any of those scars, but it also means you're not seeing the patterns.
Removing said "voltage" is a misnomer because this is a living, breathing addiction, thus removing the source and supply will trigger a frenzied addict search to recover said supply and threaten that which attempted to remove it in the first place.

And when a hardcore addict cannot find their supply, they will tear the entire house down looking for it first, then turn their attention to feeding their suspicions.
 
tacomancer said:
I don't think so. We still have the propagandists like Limaugh or Beck fueling the problem.
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They are among the old guard that penned it all out in word and deed to begin with.
Rush is an original "auteur", every bit as much as Justice Powell and his infamous "memo", just as much as Fred Koch and Robert Welch, just as much as Dick Armey and Newt Gingrich.
 
Simpletruther said:
The bias is strong in this one....

I have read so many times howmthe right hates the poor, what’s to throw granny off a bridge, a faction of the left thinks ordinary conservatives are Nazis/Fascists and tries to literally silence them. You have to be kidding me.
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You are a textbook example of what we're talking about.
Go ask Felis Leo, Perotista, Danarhea, even Fledermaus or dobieg if I have EVER referred to ANY of them as Nazis or Fascists, or tried to "silence" them.

I dare you to take me up on that challenge. And after that I'll have a dozen more conservatives that you can go ask, and a dozen more after that.
I won't even mind if you ask TurtleDude.
Go ahead, I dare you.

If you DON'T, then you expose yourself as all talk, no action, no guts. Let's see if you actually HAVE the strength of your convictions, Simpletruther.
This is a Simple Challenge, so you should have no difficulty. I made it SIMPLE for you.
 
Obscurity said:
Correct. And therein lies the problem. The media that is consumed by people confirms bias and in the case of the right wing, reimagines this as a christian nation that fought not against a king but a parliament in britain. LOL.
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Their most faithful footsoldiers...no, not the followers or hangers-on, their faithful FOOTSOLDIERS, have an open contempt for democracy itself.
See my SIG LINE for a prime example.
 
Ikari said:
The fever, yes. There's still the cold that needs to be treated. But I think that Trump has drummed it up to levels never seen before. I don't think the problem goes away with Trump, Trump is a symptom of the bigger cold. But he's certainly created the biggest rift and caused some of the most damage. So first step is to get rid of him. We can come down from that a little. But you're going to have to work still afterwards. But hopefully once folk start to calm down, see what we had done while tripping Trump Balls, that we can try to restore some sanity.

I just don't buy that the way to restore sanity to the system is to be insane.
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It all depends solely on the depth of their reaction to political defeat.
If the streets suddenly swarm with trucks full of ad hoc impromptu militia attempting to storm the gates in cities and towns all over the country, terrorizing ordinaries they don't like or who they suspect, then expect insanity.

If it all results in just some sporadic and random senseless acts of violence followed by a period of emotional depression, then we might have a chance at sanity. Unfortunately the hardest part will be the center and the left reaching out to them and offering an olive branch.
That would be the hardest part for US to deal with. We will have to have the intestinal fortitude to do that outreach.
It is absolutely OUR move and no one else's, unless someone else beats us to the punch, and guess where that will come from.

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I've penned countless notes to this idea here and elsewhere.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Their most faithful footsoldiers...no, not the followers or hangers-on, their faithful FOOTSOLDIERS, have an open contempt for democracy itself.
See my SIG LINE for a prime example.
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Well aware of that poster, an avowed Monarchist, who thinks monarchy is the most "just" form of government, which is complete lunacy of the worst sort.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Which is why there is no choice but to fight for what this country stands for.
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It all depends on the reaction to a Trump defeat, which is why that defeat must be so large and resounding that it is indisputable.
It really is all or nothing, a landslide.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
It all depends solely on the depth of their reaction to political defeat.
If the streets suddenly swarm with trucks full of ad hoc impromptu militia attempting to storm the gates in cities and towns all over the country, terrorizing ordinaries they don't like or who they suspect, then expect insanity.

If it all results in just some sporadic and random senseless acts of violence followed by a period of emotional depression, then we might have a chance at sanity. Unfortunately the hardest part will be the center and the left reaching out to them and offering an olive branch.
That would be the hardest part for US to deal with. We will have to have the intestinal fortitude to do that outreach.
It is absolutely OUR move and no one else's, unless someone else beats us to the punch, and guess where that will come from.

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I've penned countless notes to this idea here and elsewhere.
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Would you offer them the branch?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
It all depends solely on the depth of their reaction to political defeat.
If the streets suddenly swarm with trucks full of ad hoc impromptu militia attempting to storm the gates in cities and towns all over the country, terrorizing ordinaries they don't like or who they suspect, then expect insanity.

If it all results in just some sporadic and random senseless acts of violence followed by a period of emotional depression, then we might have a chance at sanity. Unfortunately the hardest part will be the center and the left reaching out to them and offering an olive branch.
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Well my main hope is that regardless of the results of the 2020 election, there is no violence at all.

If there could be a "best" result of the 2020 elections, it's that Republicans lose HUGE. Not that I necessarily support all the Democrats platforms, but as a lesson that holding water for Trump will result in loss of power.
 
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