Napolitano Shoots Down Tuley's Argument

Today the GOP's sole expert witness for the defense of Trump, Jonathan Turley, made an odd argument:

"If you make a high crime and misdemeanor out of going to the courts, it is an abuse of power. It's your abuse of power."

It didn't take long for his old buddy Judge Andrew Napolitano to counter:

“Where I disagree with my dear friend — I’ve worked with him, I’ve testified alongside him — John Turley, on the significance of obstruction of justice: he is forgetting that the House has the sole power of impeachment,” Napolitano asserted. “It doesn’t need to go to a court for approval. It doesn’t need to go to court to get its subpoenas enforced.”

“When the president receives a subpoena — or in this case, Mick Mulvaney, Mike Pompeo received a subpoena — and they throw it in a drawer; they don’t comply or challenge, because the president told them to, that is the act of obstruction.”

Fox News Judge Debunks Turley's Anti-Trump Impeachment Argument, Says 'House Has Sole Power of Impeachment'


Once again, Napolitano knocks it out of the park.

Geoist said:

Today the GOP's sole expert witness for the defense of Trump, Jonathan Turley, made an odd argument:

"If you make a high crime and misdemeanor out of going to the courts, it is an abuse of power. It's your abuse of power."

It didn't take long for his old buddy Judge Andrew Napolitano to counter:

“Where I disagree with my dear friend — I’ve worked with him, I’ve testified alongside him — John Turley, on the significance of obstruction of justice: he is forgetting that the House has the sole power of impeachment,” Napolitano asserted. “It doesn’t need to go to a court for approval. It doesn’t need to go to court to get its subpoenas enforced.”

“When the president receives a subpoena — or in this case, Mick Mulvaney, Mike Pompeo received a subpoena — and they throw it in a drawer; they don’t comply or challenge, because the president told them to, that is the act of obstruction.”

Fox News Judge Debunks Turley's Anti-Trump Impeachment Argument, Says 'House Has Sole Power of Impeachment'


Once again, Napolitano knocks it out of the park.

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Yip that is something that has been missing from the news, the trump administration has been breaking the law every day by refusing to follow legal subpoenas.

Hell we could ignore all the laws he broke to get us here and he still has broken more laws than any other president...

GDViking said:

Yip that is something that has been missing from the news, the trump administration has been breaking the law every day by refusing to follow legal subpoenas.

Hell we could ignore all the laws he broke to get us here and he still has broken more laws than any other president...

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Could be another case of the cover-up being worse than the crime. A lot of people don't realize Nixon was about to be impeached not for a break-in but for obstruction.

Geoist said:

Could be another case of the cover-up being worse than the crime. A lot of people don't realize Nixon was about to be impeached not for a break-in but for obstruction.

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True Clinton didn't get impeached for getting a blow job it was because he lied about it. The cover up is what they get you on

Chillfolks said:

True Clinton didn't get impeached for getting a blow job it was because he lied about it. The cover up is what they get you on

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I have always said that if Clinton had just said "of course I inhaled, why else would I put it to my lips" and "what do you mean did she blow me, that is none of your ****ing business". Those years would have gone smoother for us all...

Geoist said:

Today the GOP's sole expert witness for the defense of Trump, Jonathan Turley, made an odd argument:

"If you make a high crime and misdemeanor out of going to the courts, it is an abuse of power. It's your abuse of power."

It didn't take long for his old buddy Judge Andrew Napolitano to counter:

“Where I disagree with my dear friend — I’ve worked with him, I’ve testified alongside him — John Turley, on the significance of obstruction of justice: he is forgetting that the House has the sole power of impeachment,” Napolitano asserted. “It doesn’t need to go to a court for approval. It doesn’t need to go to court to get its subpoenas enforced.”

“When the president receives a subpoena — or in this case, Mick Mulvaney, Mike Pompeo received a subpoena — and they throw it in a drawer; they don’t comply or challenge, because the president told them to, that is the act of obstruction.”

Fox News Judge Debunks Turley's Anti-Trump Impeachment Argument, Says 'House Has Sole Power of Impeachment'


Once again, Napolitano knocks it out of the park.

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Funny, You guys can never make up your minds, you just go with what ever flow works for you at the time. For over a month all you have cackled about is this isn't a court room, its a hearing and we can make up what ever rules we want. Oh, Trump said he wouldn't participate? Now is a court room and Trump is obstructing.

When you forgo the Impeachment inquiry process you don't get to hold anyone accountable you want that doesn't want to play your games. The president has every right to approach a REAL court for a decision and it is never obstruction to seek a court ruling. Napolitano is a hack and plays to the crowed.

But at the end of the day, the DNC is broke and your candidates are worthless and they continue to do the very same thing that got their own supporters to abandon them. Everyone knows Trump will be re-elected and this imaginary impeachment will never even go to the house for a vote because even an idiot like Schiff knows the Senate is controlled by the Republicans and he can't afford to have the whistle blower testify or himself. Then again, maybe they are that stupid. I guess we will see.

Condor060 said:

Funny, You guys can never make up your minds, you just go with what ever flow works for you at the time. For over a month all you have cackled about is this isn't a court room, its a hearing and we can make up what ever rules we want. Oh, Trump said he wouldn't participate? Now is a court room and Trump is obstructing.

When you forgo the Impeachment inquiry process you don't get to hold anyone accountable you want that doesn't want to play your games. The president has every right to approach a REAL court for a decision and it is never obstruction to seek a court ruling. Napolitano is a hack and plays to the crowed.

But at the end of the day, the DNC is broke and your candidates are worthless and they continue to do the very same thing that got their own supporters to abandon them. Everyone knows Trump will be re-elected and this imaginary impeachment will never even go to the house for a vote because even an idiot like Schiff knows the Senate is controlled by the Republicans and he can't afford to have the whistle blower testify or himself. Then again, maybe they are that stupid. I guess we will see.

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:yawn:

Condor060 said:

Funny, You guys can never make up your minds, you just go with what ever flow works for you at the time. For over a month all you have cackled about is this isn't a court room, its a hearing and we can make up what ever rules we want. Oh, Trump said he wouldn't participate? Now is a court room and Trump is obstructing.

When you forgo the Impeachment inquiry process you don't get to hold anyone accountable you want that doesn't want to play your games. The president has every right to approach a REAL court for a decision and it is never obstruction to seek a court ruling. Napolitano is a hack and plays to the crowed.

But at the end of the day, the DNC is broke and your candidates are worthless and they continue to do the very same thing that got their own supporters to abandon them. Everyone knows Trump will be re-elected and this imaginary impeachment will never even go to the house for a vote because even an idiot like Schiff knows the Senate is controlled by the Republicans and he can't afford to have the whistle blower testify or himself. Then again, maybe they are that stupid. I guess we will see.

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Wow there was just too much stupid I. That post to even consider replying too.

It could actually give a bunch of nonsense a sliver of credibility, and I wouldn't want to be a part of that...

Geoist said:

:yawn:

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Please provide what is an "Impeachment inquiry process"? Cite it in the US Code or in COTUS.

Condor060 said:

Funny, You guys can never make up your minds, you just go with what ever flow works for you at the time. For over a month all you have cackled about is this isn't a court room, its a hearing and we can make up what ever rules we want. Oh, Trump said he wouldn't participate? Now is a court room and Trump is obstructing.

When you forgo the Impeachment inquiry process you don't get to hold anyone accountable you want that doesn't want to play your games. The president has every right to approach a REAL court for a decision and it is never obstruction to seek a court ruling. Napolitano is a hack and plays to the crowed.

But at the end of the day, the DNC is broke and your candidates are worthless and they continue to do the very same thing that got their own supporters to abandon them. Everyone knows Trump will be re-elected and this imaginary impeachment will never even go to the house for a vote because even an idiot like Schiff knows the Senate is controlled by the Republicans and he can't afford to have the whistle blower testify or himself. Then again, maybe they are that stupid. I guess we will see.

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No one is playing games, this is serious business.

Now then, There is an impeachable offense called "Obstruction Of Congress."


Once you recieve a subpoena, you must comply. That is the law. Compliance is to appear. Once you appear, you can argue whether or not the subpoena was valid, but you still must appear.

There is nothing in the constitution that says Congress must enforce compliance via the courts. Nadler and Schiff, if the president refuses to comply, they can either take him to court, or just add the non compliance to one of the articles of impeachment, i.e, "obstruction of congress" and/or "contempt of congress. Congress can also levy fines for non compliance.

Ad hominems and disparage the messenger debate techniques are a symptom of a weak argument. No one bats 1000, I've disagreed with Napolitano, but he is Fox New's chief legal analyst. The thing i like about Napolitano, even when he got ragged on a bit by Trump, Napolitano said he's been Trump's friend for over 30 years. So, when Napolitano says something that isn't flattering to Trump, he's not letting his friendship color what he sees as truth. Right or wrong, he calls them as he sees them. Hannity, however, when Trump is egregiously in the wrong, Hannity softballs him. Napolitano won't do that. He's, by far, the better man.

That's about as non partisan as you can get, and noting that he is a libertarian.


"Everyone knows". As i mentioned in my OP, I'd appreciate abstention from use of weasel words. Such is not an argument. It's incompetent for the simple reason that it's false by default.

DNC is irrelevant to the thread.

I'd call Trump an idiot, and I wouldn't be the first. But Schiff? He's sharp and on the money in this impeachment hearing.


I saw a video clip of when Schiff was a prosecutor in an impeachment trial, and the defendant was a corrupt judge, who was represented by Turley.

The Judge received, by his request, $2000 from a lawyer who was defending someone in a case the judge presided over.

Turley's defense? "It was a wedding gift."


Well, the jury didn't buy it and Schiff blew Turley out of the water at closing arguments, and the judge got the book thrown at him, he can't hold any office, anywhere, for anything.

Arrest ALL THIRTEEN witness embargoed by Trump, then delay releasing the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate until October 2020, and incarcerate all thirteen until the Articles are released.
They had their chance to obey their congressional subpoenas, now they have to wait till the articles are released, simple as that.

Two words:

October Surprise

Thirteen more words:
Keep Mitch McConnell and his Russian tools in suspense for the next ten months!

PS: Yes, the House DOES have the power and authority to arrest AND incarcerate anyone who defies a congressional subpoena.