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Durham to Barr: I got nuthin'

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Bill Barr’s handpicked prosecutor says he’s found nothing to support Trump’s FBI conspiracy theories

[FONT=&quot]On Wednesday, the [/FONT]Washington Post[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]reported[FONT=&quot] that John Durham, the longtime DOJ official and U.S. Attorney tapped by Attorney General William Barr to launch a criminal investigation into how the FBI’s Russia probe began, has told DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz that he can’t find any evidence to back up the theory, pushed by President Donald Trump and his allies, that the investigation was orchestrated by anti-Trump actors within the intelligence community.[/FONT]

Looks like Bill Barr has just lost another trump card.
This really is beginning to look more and more like a "President Al Capone" ordering his attorney to investigate Elliott Ness.
 
Do they cite thier source?

:lamo

You just copy/paste the first response on your cheat sheet that seems like it might possibly fit. Thank God I don't have such a strong aversion to admitting when I'm wrong that I would behave in such a craven fashion. I say "God", but really, I mean "thank ME that I don't choose to do that."

Everytime something bad about Trump comes out, you have to find a way to dishonestly attack it. Without fail. Knee-jerk and instantaneous.







Don't tell me why (it'll be a lie), but do try to remember to think about it tonight when you lie down in bed. Why is it that you feel compelled to behave in that fashion?

I mean, you're not Trump, are you?
 
Do they cite thier source?

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Sure they did... Just like Schiff made sure the whistle blower testified just like he said that he would.
 
When will people learn to wait for the actual report, instead of listening to hearsay news reports based on anonymous inside sources?

The report might be what the "source" alleges, it might partly be, or it might be completely different.

Just WAIT! All this speculation is IMO very silly.
 
:lamo

You just copy/paste the first response on your cheat sheet that seems like it might possibly fit. Thank God I don't have such a strong aversion to admitting when I'm wrong that I would behave in such a craven fashion. I say "God", but really, I mean "thank ME that I don't choose to do that."

Everytime something bad about Trump comes out, you have to find a way to dishonestly attack it. Without fail. Knee-jerk and instantaneous.







Don't tell me why (it'll be a lie), but do try to remember to think about it tonight when you lie down in bed. Why is it that you feel compelled to behave in that fashion?

I mean, you're not Trump, are you?
Why do you have a problem with me asking for the source? Its a legitimate question to ask to determine the articles credability.

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When will people learn to wait for the actual report, instead of listening to hearsay news reports based on anonymous inside sources?

The report might be what the "source" alleges, it might partly be, or it might be completely different.

Just WAIT! All this speculation is IMO very silly.
I dont even think I've seen anything to indicate the investigation is wrapping up anytime soon but they are reporting this like its in the final stages of reaching a conclusion.

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Why do you have a problem with me asking for the source? Its a legitimate question to ask to determine the articles credability.

Because we both know you aren't asking for the score.

The move was obvious because it's been played by you personally and other Trump defenders/supporters en masse: deny the legitimacy of any report if the source is not identified. (EDIT: or, apparently, when it was identified).

Why do I have a problem? It is dishonest to the core. You do not do it when someone on the left is said to have done a thing. This is for obvious reasons. Despite your words, you know perfectly well that journalism cannot be a watchdog as against government without anonymous sources. You ask for the source because you guess that the source must be anonymous. After all, this is someone or someones talking about an IG report that hasn't quite been released. If they're blabbing, they get in trouble. So they'll do it anonymously. So you ask, knowing full well you intend to reject it out of hand if you learn the truth (that is assuming you didn't open the link).

And you ALSO know that once the IG report is out, you will never circle back to address your "anonymous source" rejection even if the IG report confirms what the source says. You'll never say "gee, I was wrong. The source was right." You'll just be saying whatever Trump/Fox is saying about the report. THAT is also why I have a problem.

I have a problem with fundamental dishonest. I have a problem with power for power's sake. And I have a problem with the fact that just about every last one of you Trumpists's defenses contradicts everything you said before and you simply do not care.

Whatever comes out, throw words at it. Ignore what was said before. Ignore everything. Deny everything, admit nothing, attack attack attack.

THAT is why I have a problem.





Want to explain how journalism could possibly work if we didn't have anonymous sources? Here's the shape of the kind of thing that would happen:

Vengeful politician does bad thing. Source reveals it to journalist. Journalist does not publish unless journalist can name source. Journalist names source. Source is fired, smeared, attacked by politician. Now other potential sources around politician are scared. They don't want to get run out of DC. They won't tell anything in the future AND they will not confirm what source said. Politician is protected.


You know this. You cannot possibly be capable of using a computer and not understand this. Therefore, your motivation to attack the source must be based on political lean: who is the source saying something bad about and what is it. THAT is why I have a problem. And you would too if left-lean people dismissed everything negative said about a left-lean politician that was not fully authenticated.

I have a problem because it's ****ing dishonest.





Sure, people shouldn't take "a source says" as gospel truth but they sure as hell shouldn't reject it out of hand. Again, because we know that if we all rejected it out of hand, no corrupt politician goes down. And "corrupt politician" includes Democrats, whom you want to go down. Which gets back to another one of the reasons I have a problem: I haven't seen a single one of you Trump defenders who attack all "anonymous sources" who say bad things about Trump (even when backed up by many sources, or live testimony, or the WH's own memo) do the same for an "anonymous source" who says something about a Dem.

Maybe it happened, but it can't be often because I sure don't see it here on DP and I waste far too much time here. Just....**** this.

If the media source that reports that an anonymous source said this about what the IG report will say turns out to be wrong, feel free to ignore that media source. That's the honest and logical recourse. But you don't do that. You simply reject "anonymous sources" when they're bad for someone you think is on your team, but accept them when they're bad about someone on the other team. Or the inverse.





It's like Americans almost want to destroy their own democracy, just so long as it means they showed the "other sided" what's what. I had my doubts about adults when I was a kid, but damn, I wasn't nearly as suspicious enough. This is nationally suicidal insanity.
 
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Why do you have a problem with me asking for the source? Its a legitimate question to ask to determine the articles credability.

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They cited Durham as the source.
 
When will people learn to wait for the actual report, instead of listening to hearsay news reports based on anonymous inside sources?

The report might be what the "source" alleges, it might partly be, or it might be completely different.

Just WAIT! All this speculation is IMO very silly.

You mean like how all the cultists egnored Barr when he lied and said the Mueller report exonerated trump?!?
 
You mean like how all the cultists egnored Barr when he lied and said the Mueller report exonerated trump?!?

One would think saying "Don't act like a Trump cultist and wait until you see the actual evidence" wouldn't be an unwelcome admonition.
 
They cited Durham as the source.

Their article links to WaPo, which was lifted from and which says in part:




The prosecutor handpicked by Attorney General William P. Barr to scrutinize how U.S. agencies investigated President Trump’s 2016 campaign said he could not offer evidence to the Justice Department’s inspector general to support the suspicions of some conservatives that the case was a setup by American intelligence, people familiar with the matter said.

Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s office contacted U.S. Attorney John Durham, the prosecutor Barr personally tapped to lead a separate review of the 2016 probe into possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia, the people said. The inspector general also contacted several U.S. intelligence agencies. Among Horowitz’s questions: whether a Maltese professor who interacted with a Trump campaign adviser was actually a U.S. intelligence asset deployed to ensnare the campaign, the people said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the inspector general’s findings have not been made public. But the intelligence agencies said the professor was not among their assets, the people said. And Durham informed Horowitz’s office that his investigation had not produced any evidence that might contradict the inspector general’s findings on that point.



Spokespeople for the inspector general’s office, Durham and the Justice Department declined to comment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...e084dc-16a9-11ea-9110-3b34ce1d92b1_story.html



He was just trying to tee up a really clever "anonymous source" attack.
 
The Barr / Durham investigation is what has Bad Guys like Comey, Clapper, and Brennen s***ting themselves, and that investigation is currently conducting grand juries. Meaning they are starting the process to criminally indict people.

Barr will take what evidence is useful form the DOJ Inspector Generals report. What the IG is unable to find is not a defense.

"****ting themselves" alright... :lamo

What makes this fun is that the crooks are being exposed. Finally.

The IG Report is like an internal audit. That report will come out after Thanksgiving. That report is probably going to act as a foundation for the Durham investigation and probably already has in many ways.

That's some "foundation".

Perhaps Durham is going to give this guy a deal in order to get bigger fish.

Better luck next conspiracy theory.

Which investigation are you going to rest your hopes on when the Durham investigation fizzles?

That's a good question.

what we need to know now is who is really corrupt. the Durham investigation and IG report may answer that, and may expose permanent DC.

I , for one, cannot wait to see what comes out with that.

Well, you can stop waiting now Hypo.

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And now for going all in on conspiracy nutjobery...

yep....the real deal is Durham Investigation

:lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo
 
Do they cite thier source?

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So when you eventually "drop the fake news/anonymous sources" act, are you going to finally accept that the Russia probe was legal and legitimate?
 
"****ting themselves" alright... :lamo



That's some "foundation".



Better luck next conspiracy theory.



That's a good question.



Well, you can stop waiting now Hypo.

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And now for going all in on conspiracy nutjobery...



:lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo

Wait for it. We will now read about how the evil liberals used their awesome powers of obfuscation to hide all the evidence that the IG and Durham would have found in the Democrats weren't so evil and powerful that the poor honest investigators didn't stand a chance!
 
Wait for it. We will now read about how the evil liberals used their awesome powers of obfuscation to hide all the evidence that the IG and Durham would have found in the Democrats weren't so evil and powerful that the poor honest investigators didn't stand a chance!

Hilarious... I told them when they started pushing this Durham report garbage that it was merely a "SQUIRREL!" moment that wouldn't last.
 
Because we both know you aren't asking for the score.

The move was obvious because it's been played by you personally and other Trump defenders/supporters en masse: deny the legitimacy of any report if the source is not identified. (EDIT: or, apparently, when it was identified).

Why do I have a problem? It is dishonest to the core. You do not do it when someone on the left is said to have done a thing. This is for obvious reasons. Despite your words, you know perfectly well that journalism cannot be a watchdog as against government without anonymous sources. You ask for the source because you guess that the source must be anonymous. After all, this is someone or someones talking about an IG report that hasn't quite been released. If they're blabbing, they get in trouble. So they'll do it anonymously. So you ask, knowing full well you intend to reject it out of hand if you learn the truth (that is assuming you didn't open the link).

And you ALSO know that once the IG report is out, you will never circle back to address your "anonymous source" rejection even if the IG report confirms what the source says. You'll never say "gee, I was wrong. The source was right." You'll just be saying whatever Trump/Fox is saying about the report. THAT is also why I have a problem.

I have a problem with fundamental dishonest. I have a problem with power for power's sake. And I have a problem with the fact that just about every last one of you Trumpists's defenses contradicts everything you said before and you simply do not care.

Whatever comes out, throw words at it. Ignore what was said before. Ignore everything. Deny everything, admit nothing, attack attack attack.

THAT is why I have a problem.





Want to explain how journalism could possibly work if we didn't have anonymous sources? Here's the shape of the kind of thing that would happen:

Vengeful politician does bad thing. Source reveals it to journalist. Journalist does not publish unless journalist can name source. Journalist names source. Source is fired, smeared, attacked by politician. Now other potential sources around politician are scared. They don't want to get run out of DC. They won't tell anything in the future AND they will not confirm what source said. Politician is protected.


You know this. You cannot possibly be capable of using a computer and not understand this. Therefore, your motivation to attack the source must be based on political lean: who is the source saying something bad about and what is it. THAT is why I have a problem. And you would too if left-lean people dismissed everything negative said about a left-lean politician that was not fully authenticated.

I have a problem because it's ****ing dishonest.





Sure, people shouldn't take "a source says" as gospel truth but they sure as hell shouldn't reject it out of hand. Again, because we know that if we all rejected it out of hand, no corrupt politician goes down. And "corrupt politician" includes Democrats, whom you want to go down. Which gets back to another one of the reasons I have a problem: I haven't seen a single one of you Trump defenders who attack all "anonymous sources" who say bad things about Trump (even when backed up by many sources, or live testimony, or the WH's own memo) do the same for an "anonymous source" who says something about a Dem.

Maybe it happened, but it can't be often because I sure don't see it here on DP and I waste far too much time here. Just....**** this.

If the media source that reports that an anonymous source said this about what the IG report will say turns out to be wrong, feel free to ignore that media source. That's the honest and logical recourse. But you don't do that. You simply reject "anonymous sources" when they're bad for someone you think is on your team, but accept them when they're bad about someone on the other team. Or the inverse.





It's like Americans almost want to destroy their own democracy, just so long as it means they showed the "other sided" what's what. I had my doubts about adults when I was a kid, but damn, I wasn't nearly as suspicious enough. This is nationally suicidal insanity.
First off i dont accept anyomous sources from right wing media either. I treat all of them with the same skepticism. So your wrong on that count.

Secondly i do not take anyomous sources at their word because they are often wrong. Their track record sucks.

3rdly they are talking about Durham who is leading the DOJ report which hasnt even been rumored to being close to being completed, not the IG report which is due to be released next week.

All things considered its fair to question where the informstion is coming from. Im not even saying its untrue. I only want to know who they are sourcing.

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Their article links to WaPo, which was lifted from and which says in part:




The prosecutor handpicked by Attorney General William P. Barr to scrutinize how U.S. agencies investigated President Trump’s 2016 campaign said he could not offer evidence to the Justice Department’s inspector general to support the suspicions of some conservatives that the case was a setup by American intelligence, people familiar with the matter said.

Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s office contacted U.S. Attorney John Durham, the prosecutor Barr personally tapped to lead a separate review of the 2016 probe into possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia, the people said. The inspector general also contacted several U.S. intelligence agencies. Among Horowitz’s questions: whether a Maltese professor who interacted with a Trump campaign adviser was actually a U.S. intelligence asset deployed to ensnare the campaign, the people said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the inspector general’s findings have not been made public. But the intelligence agencies said the professor was not among their assets, the people said. And Durham informed Horowitz’s office that his investigation had not produced any evidence that might contradict the inspector general’s findings on that point.



Spokespeople for the inspector general’s office, Durham and the Justice Department declined to comment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...e084dc-16a9-11ea-9110-3b34ce1d92b1_story.html



He was just trying to tee up a really clever "anonymous source" attack.

Durham is the source for the people familiar with the matter, too. Apparently, they were there when IG Horowtiz met with Durham to discuss the IG investigation. In a day or two Barr will likely try to save face by disagreeing with Durham, too.
 
Their article links to WaPo, which was lifted from and which says in part:




The prosecutor handpicked by Attorney General William P. Barr to scrutinize how U.S. agencies investigated President Trump’s 2016 campaign said he could not offer evidence to the Justice Department’s inspector general to support the suspicions of some conservatives that the case was a setup by American intelligence, people familiar with the matter said.

Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s office contacted U.S. Attorney John Durham, the prosecutor Barr personally tapped to lead a separate review of the 2016 probe into possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia, the people said. The inspector general also contacted several U.S. intelligence agencies. Among Horowitz’s questions: whether a Maltese professor who interacted with a Trump campaign adviser was actually a U.S. intelligence asset deployed to ensnare the campaign, the people said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the inspector general’s findings have not been made public. But the intelligence agencies said the professor was not among their assets, the people said. And Durham informed Horowitz’s office that his investigation had not produced any evidence that might contradict the inspector general’s findings on that point.



Spokespeople for the inspector general’s office, Durham and the Justice Department declined to comment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...e084dc-16a9-11ea-9110-3b34ce1d92b1_story.html



He was just trying to tee up a really clever "anonymous source" attack.
I was not. What i was doing was avoiding giving my traffic to a couple of far left publications. Thats why i asked.

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Durham is the source for the people familiar with the matter, too. Apparently, they were there when IG Horowtiz met with Durham to discuss the IG investigation. In a day or two Barr will likely try to save face by disagreeing with Durham, too.

Maybe. I think Barr will ignore Durham and point to some other squirrel.
 
Maybe. I think Barr will ignore Durham and point to some other squirrel.

I think Barr is one step out the door. He doesn't have faith in his own department and the IC and DoJ doesn't have faith in him. How long can that last when he has turned nearly the entire government, except for Trump, against him?
 
When will people learn to wait for the actual report, instead of listening to hearsay news reports based on anonymous inside sources?

The report might be what the "source" alleges, it might partly be, or it might be completely different.

Just WAIT! All this speculation is IMO very silly.

Good luck with that.
 
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