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Why Prof. Jonathan Turley is wrong in his opening statement today

bubbabgone said:
You insist that a President can't ask a Court for judicial review because what Congress wants takes precedence. Where did you hear that?
That's still absurd. You shouldn't have needed anyone to tell you that.

“If you impeach a president, if you make a high crime and misdemeanor out of going to the courts, it is an abuse of power — it’s your abuse of power. You’re doing precisely what you’re criticizing the president for doing.” - Jonathan Turley - today.
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Congress is the judiciary for impeachment and they are reviewing Trump now. However, Trump's key witnesses are asking the court if they have executive privilege to avoid testifying. I think Bolton's case will be decided sometime around Dec. 11...and maybe Mulvaney's, too.

Right out of the gate, Turley gets it wrong....

"....Prof Turley starts by saying this impeachment hearing is similar to Clinton’s. Of course it’s not. Clinton didn’t use the power of the presidency to try to extract valuable help for his re-election campaign from a foreign leader & endangering our national security to do so...."

Joyce Alene (@JoyceWhiteVance) | Twitter​


The framers gave congress the power of impeachment precisely for a president like Trump.
 
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Bullseye said:
Seriously? Why do you find it surprising that a lot of Trump's supports would think he'd get a lot more done if he didn't have to deal with continual investigations and congressional harassment? If Congress spent more time working on legislation both sides can except rather than this puissant bull****, things could get done.
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I already know you have contempt for the democratic process of impeachment, so try something new instead of repeating your contempt for the Constitution. That much is already OLD NEWS on the "Bullseye" front. ;)
 
Turley's point is moot. We are at the stage he is warning against. The GOP would do the same thing if they had the opportunity. At this point, the executive branch is just oozing lawlessness and corruption. It has all along. Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator in the commission of a felony from before he was wvenelected for crying out loud.
 
jnug said:
Turley's actual argument was that the Dems were going too fast. According to Turley they needed to slow down. They are winning cases in court. They need to get more of these witnesses giving testimony before Committee.

That argument went over like a lead balloon. You could see the color draining from Doug Collins face.

Oh yea.....the Repugs REEEALY wanted to hear that from their guy.
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What utter nonsense!

Turley said "the record does not establish obstruction in this case". "Impeachments have to be based on proof, not presumptions".

For those outside the clan, here is a link to a video from his testimony, where he talks about going slow.

Never expect anyone on the left to tell the truth.

Turley Justice Committee testimony - Bing video
 
Obscurity said:
Turley says they haven't established obstruction.

Which is completely false.

There is documented evidence of obstruction.
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Turley is Barr part 2. Bring him in to cover it all up.
 
Moot said:
Congress is the judiciary for impeachment and they are reviewing Trump now. However, Trump's key witnesses are asking the court if they have executive privilege to avoid testifying. I think Bolton's case will be decided sometime around Dec. 11...and maybe Mulvaney's, too.

Right out of the gate, Turley gets it wrong....

"....Prof Turley starts by saying this impeachment hearing is similar to Clinton’s. Of course it’s not. Clinton didn’t use the power of the presidency to try to extract valuable help for his re-election campaign from a foreign leader & endangering our national security to do so...."

Joyce Alene (@JoyceWhiteVance) | Twitter​


The framers gave congress the power of impeachment precisely for a president like Trump.
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Extract valuable help for his re-election?

Yet, Schiff, and now Nads, will face plant on this claim and objective.

A unilateral coup attempt will not be viewed nicely when it's time to vote next year.
 
Moderate Right said:
Let's face the fact that the whole entire thing is nothing but uber-partisanship on both sides.
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Sure, but I think it's a lot more tribal for republicans.
 
ocean515 said:
Extract valuable help for his re-election?

Yet, Schiff, and now Nads, will face plant on this claim and objective.

A unilateral coup attempt will not be viewed nicely when it's time to vote next year.
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Do you think voters are really that stupid...or is that just wishful thinking?

LOUIE GOHMERT: “All I got to say is, if you love America, mamas don’t let your babies grow up to go to Harvard or Stanford law school."

JM Rieger on Twitter: "Louie Gohmert: “All I got to say is, if you love America, mamas don’t let your babies grow up to go to Harvard or Stanford law school."… https://t.co/8zSmdMKAvP"

Right, don't let the kids grow up to think for themselves...authoritarian governments don't like it.

Careful what you wish for.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
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Moot said:
Do you think voters are really that stupid...or is that just wishful thinking?

LOUIE GOHMERT: “All I got to say is, if you love America, mamas don’t let your babies grow up to go to Harvard or Stanford law school."

JM Rieger on Twitter: "Louie Gohmert: “All I got to say is, if you love America, mamas don’t let your babies grow up to go to Harvard or Stanford law school."… https://t.co/8zSmdMKAvP"

Right, don't let the kids grow up to think for themselves...authoritarian governments don't like it.

Careful what you wish for.
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Do I think voters are stupid enough to fall for the Dems clown show?

No.

So why does the Democrat leadership in the House think they are?
 
Napoleon said:
The Executive Branch does not have absolute immunity and the Congress does not have absolute authority. It is for the Judiciary to decide where they must meet in the middle. Not for Congress to attempt to remove a President for not satisfying their unbounded curiosity.
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Damn well said!
I'm trying to figure out why some haven't a clue about basic civics. This stuff is elementary.
 
Okay...how about the House just holds onto the Articles of Impeachment and just not send them over to the Senate.
Continue investigating right up to the election.
I guarantee you that all SCOTUS actions WILL be settled, and all thirteen embargoed White House witnesses WILL be forced to appear.

That's what you guys really want? You sure about that? :lamo
 
ocean515 said:
Do I think voters are stupid enough to fall for the Dems clown show?

No.

So why does the Democrat leadership in the House think they are?
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Yet you seem to think voters are stupid enough to buy this clown act...

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ludin said:
Except in this case there is no crime. so this is not a legitimate impeachment hearing.
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The transgression doesn't have to be illegal to be impeachable. In this case, though, it was illegal too, as in obstruction of justice.

this is a witch trial by leftist coup trying to over throw an democratically elected president
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Your semi-literacy aside, if Trump were democratically elected, he would have had more votes than his opponent. He didn't, by the tune of a few million. Donald Trump was oligarchically elected president. A minority, yourself included, inserted him, defends him and keeps him in power. That ain't democracy. That is the REAL coup, as you say, to thwart the will of the people.

they were attempting impeachment since before he took the oath of office.
since there is no wrong doing the president can invoke executive privilege.
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When someone pleads the 5th, do you think they have nothing to hide? Your credulity smells exactly like deliberate stupidity. I guess if someone refuses to talk to the police, that makes them innocent, by your standard. How are you not embarrassed?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I already know you have contempt for the democratic process of impeachment, so try something new instead of repeating your contempt for the Constitution. That much is already OLD NEWS on the "Bullseye" front. ;)
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Again, what you think you "know" is totally false. Do you ever escape from you jungle of clichés and stereotypes? And spewing insults? I have a profound respect for the Constitution. Which is why I've been vocal in my contempt for the Dems making a mockery of it through this entire attempt to avenge Trump's defeat of Clinton. They've made a mockery of a serious constitutional function. I mean seriously, impeaching a President on the basis of "Do me a favor"?
 
Bullseye said:
Again, what you think you "know" is totally false. Do you ever escape from you jungle of clichés and stereotypes? And spewing insults? I have a profound respect for the Constitution. Which is why I've been vocal in my contempt for the Dems making a mockery of it through this entire attempt to avenge Trump's defeat of Clinton. They've made a mockery of a serious constitutional function. I mean seriously, impeaching a President on the basis of "Do me a favor"?
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But 'You've got 6 hours to capitulate to my demands or you won't get ONE BILLION DOLLARS" doesn't move the needle.
 
Bullseye said:
Again, what you think you "know" is totally false. Do you ever escape from you jungle of clichés and stereotypes? And spewing insults? I have a profound respect for the Constitution. Which is why I've been vocal in my contempt for the Dems making a mockery of it through this entire attempt to avenge Trump's defeat of Clinton. They've made a mockery of a serious constitutional function. I mean seriously, impeaching a President on the basis of "Do me a favor"?
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It wasn't JUST ABOUT "Do me a favor".
You wish it was "just about that", but wishing doesn't make it so.

Yelling that repeatedly doesn't budge the needle of reality either. Neither does yelling it with conviction.
But worst of all, seeing as how you've expressed your profound respect for the Constitution, I find it remarkable that you ignore the unintended consequences that will arise if his actions in question were to go completely unchecked.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
It wasn't JUST ABOUT "Do me a favor".
You wish it was "just about that", but wishing doesn't make it so.

Yelling that repeatedly doesn't budge the needle of reality either. Neither does yelling it with conviction.
But worst of all, seeing as how you've expressed your profound respect for the Constitution, I find it remarkable that you ignore the unintended consequences that will arise if his actions in question were to go completely unchecked.
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"Unintended Consequences"? What article of the Constitution covers "unintended consequences"? Another side effect of your Trump psychosis?
 
Hypothetical said:
its called perjury , and yeah , regardless what it is ABOUT, lying to a court under oath is pretty damn bad.
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At least Clinton spoke to Congress, Trump doesn't have the 'nads to do it. Nor do any of his aids.
 
trixare4kids said:
Turley's point was that if the subpoenas were so important, then why didn't the Democrats go to court to enforce them? Instead, they carry on with their rush to impeachment. Thin soup.
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Since when is a subpoena supposed to be enforced by a court?

That could take months. There is nothing in the constitution that says subpoenas must be enforced by the courts.

No, you defy a Congressional subpoena, you just committed an impeachable act.
 
ludin said:
what i find it amazing is that nadler expect any rational thinking person to take what he hack lawyers have to say seriously.
everyone heard all of the testimony and it takes one of the most dishonest scummiest lawyers out there to say a person is guilty of something
when none of the witnesses could offer evidence to support it.

I find it 100% interesting that they say they read it but glossed over the fact that ol yea NO ONE HAD EVIDENCE.
all it goes it continue to be a **** show for democrats, but the leftist propaganda media will never report the truth or the facts.

it will take the senate to clear trump of all these charges and then once he has been vindicated the coup is going to have their hands full.
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There will be several articles of impeachment, including Obstruction of Congress and Contempt of Congress.

Those two were witnessed by America, Trump did them in plain view for everyone to see.


We only have to hit one of the articles to convict.
 
Bullseye said:
"Unintended Consequences"? What article of the Constitution covers "unintended consequences"? Another side effect of your Trump psychosis?
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No one said that a specific article says the words "unintended consequences".
You really suck at gaslighting.
 
trixare4kids said:
Turley said it's the congressional Democrats who are abusing their power.
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It was a conditional statement, not an accusation. An "if' statement. Besides, there is no provision in the constitution for "Congressional abuse of power", only Presidential.

So, he was just venting an opinion.
 
ludin said:
2 year investigation is all the evidence i need.
trump had nothing to do with russia.

HIllary and the DNC was neck deep in russia.
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Mueller report documented over 140 contacts between his staff and Russia.

Russians were everywhere.


Please provide evidence of Hillary and russia.
 
trixare4kids said:
You just made Turley's point about congress abusing their powers; a rush to impeach.

The executive branch has the constitutional right to appeal to the highest court.
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There is no rush to impeach. Starting with Mueller, it's been well over two years now.


with Mueller, repubs were complaining it was taking too long. With Schiff and Nadler it's not taking enough time?

Which is it? make up your ****ing mind.
 
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