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What’s wrong with acknowledging mistakes the US has made?

Sad that you don't understand context. Example; how can we understand the actions of Israel if we don't understand both the Holocaust and the past Islamic hatred of Jews?

Likewise, how can we understand the US actions in Korea and Vietnam without understanding the Cold War?

Reinhold Niebuhr knew something about context. He's most famous for the Serenity Prayer; often shortened to "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference." In this instance, his understanding of historical context led to this comment: "Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible, but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary."

Martin Niemöller also understood something about historical context, and it's tied directly to your Holocaust comment since he, as an anti-Nazi Christian Pastor, spent time in a Nazi Concentration camp:
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
"


Lastly, one of my favorite shows on television was James Burke's "Connections" (followed by "Connections 2" and "3") Burke would start the show in a specific place such as the DOE's Oak Ridge, TN nuclear facility then leap back into history a few hundred years. Over the next 50 minutes he'd connect historical events until he ended up where he started. Context. I loved it.

You attack the United States and sling out accusations of atrocities because you think the United States is evil. First, many of those comments are hyperbole, but history shows, yes, the US did some of those things just like other nations. That doesn't make it right, but it certainly puts the actions in context. You don't like context. Your posts are just to slam the US and no others. Why?

I tire of your errors.

You misuse the word 'context' - it has a place, and you misuse it. You use it for false attacks, lacking an argument.

You post a lie about me.

You post false equivalencies - 'well, if the US ever did anything wrong, other nations did the same thing, so no big deal'.

Disingenuous, libelous, allergic to the truth. I'll stop wasting my time.
 
I tire of your errors....

Then ignore me.

Meanwhile, back on topic; as I've posted several times, there's nothing wrong with noting the mistakes the US has made but it's wrong to do it out of context with other First World Powers.
 
Why Isnt Communism as Hated as Nazism?


You don't understand that Nazism is based on bigotry?

You really need to stop with the dumbass naziboi youtube videos and get an education.
 
Snakestretcher is continuing the age old tradition of looking backward with anger.

Iranian Shia Muslims relive the military defeat at Karbala every year by walking that route taken centuries ago leading to the battle ground and sobbing like they lost their own children that very day instead of their unrelated (?) ancestors thousand years ago, and the climax of the ceremony is their beating themselves bloody.

And Snakestretcher was probably not even born in 1950 but he keeps the tradition of the overthrow alive to this day.

And while there is little similarity between the mindset today and the mindset in America and in the government in 1950, Snakestretcher, and others, dont care because to them ANY and ALL non Islamic nations need to be overthrown.

The Mossadegh overthrow is just the reason they cite because publically citing Jihad toward the establishment of a global Caliphate isn't politically correct in America yet.

I admire your mind-reading ability, but I'm curious how you managed to invent your idiotic suggestion that I want non-Islamic nations overthrown. Is this an example of a product of the US education system? The rest of your post is so pathetically stupid it isn't worth addressing, frankly.
 
I admire your mind-reading ability, but I'm curious how you managed to invent your idiotic suggestion that I want non-Islamic nations overthrown. Is this an example of a product of the US education system? The rest of your post is so pathetically stupid it isn't worth addressing, frankly.

Thanks for your reply.
 
You don't understand that Nazism is based on bigotry?

You really need to stop with the dumbass naziboi youtube videos and get an education.

Why dont you educate me?
 
Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun
Russia; Stalin caused the death of about 39M Soviets.

Those weren't foreign victims; and Stalin is heavily criticized. Hell, Stalingrad was renamed by his own country.



So, if Obama or Clinton had or were to kill 39 Million Americans while imposing, installing, maintaining and enforcing Communism in this country, you would say that it was criticized, but otherwise, no big deal?
 
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Look at you, regurgitating leftists talking points to perfection. Way to go. You even managed to parrot the most current 'reasons' and didnt make the mistake of repeating all the bull**** reasons and ways they previously told you to swallow for the last 3 years.

Nadler and Schiff will be so proud of you. Not that they ever questioned whether or not you would swallow.
I call 'em like I see 'em, Vance. You should consider doing the same.
 
Arent you kind of left leaning? I could be making the wrong assumption.
Thanks for asking.

My public policies & politics tends to be majority Liberal. I am a bit more Conservative in my personal life.

Unfortunately, Republican & Right leaning politicos & their media have defined Liberals in inaccurate ways, and that seems to have had some effect on the body politic.
 
I call 'em like I see 'em, Vance. You should consider doing the same.
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No...you call it like they tell you to see it. You people have been changing your 'peachman!!!' argument since Nov 2016...this is just the latest and when this one fails you will swallow hard and jump to the next.
 
So, if Obama or Clinton had or were to kill 39 Million Americans while imposing, installing, maintaining and enforcing Communism in this country, you would say that it was criticized, but otherwise, no big deal?

Do you know what a 'strawman' argument is? You just demonstrated one. Let me ask you this; do you think it's ok for America to preach 'freedom and democracy' while supporting Communist despots and training fascist would-be dictators in new and interesting ways of torturing people? That's your 'greatest' nation. But you probably prefer a nice, carefully orchestrated veneer of flags, images of eagles and patriotic songs to distract you from the unsavoury reality.

The U.S. Is Even More Guilty Than Pol Pot

The school of Latin America's dictators | Grace Livingstone | Opinion | The Guardian

School of the Americas Graduates
 
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Do you know what a 'strawman' argument is? You just demonstrated one. Let me ask you this; do you think it's ok for America to preach 'freedom and democracy' while supporting Communist despots and training fascist would-be dictators in new and interesting ways of torturing people? That's your 'greatest' nation. But you probably prefer a nice, carefully orchestrated veneer of flags, images of eagles and patriotic songs to distract you from the unsavoury reality.

The U.S. Is Even More Guilty Than Pol Pot

The school of Latin America's dictators | Grace Livingstone | Opinion | The Guardian

School of the Americas Graduates

"do you think it's ok for America to preach 'freedom and democracy' while supporting Communist despots and training fascist would-be dictators in new and interesting ways of torturing people?"

Yes, because it is a step away from a worse system and a step toward a better system.

Isnt that the same principle which explains how Muslims tolerate American Liberals and Leftists enough to get all jiggy with them in their campaign of conquest despite the Gays and Jews and bossy Women in their ranks?

Islam is against those folks, no?
 
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Thanks for asking.

My public policies & politics tends to be majority Liberal. I am a bit more Conservative in my personal life.

Unfortunately, Republican & Right leaning politicos & their media have defined Liberals in inaccurate ways, and that seems to have had some effect on the body politic.

Rush says that Libs and Leftists screw up everything they touch.

I think there may be some hyperbole in his statement, but even a casual look at the country, the government and the culture, might prompt a sensible observer to want to see how the Left would defend against that generality.

In other words, they couldn't dismiss the claim out of hand.
 
"do you think it's ok for America to preach 'freedom and democracy' while supporting Communist despots and training fascist would-be dictators in new and interesting ways of torturing people?"

Yes, because it is a step away from a worse system and a step toward a better system.

Isnt that the same principle which explains how Muslims tolerate American Liberals and Leftists enough to get all jiggy with them in their campaign of conquest despite the Gays and Jews and bossy Women in their ranks?

Islam is against those folks, no?

You have a very simplistic and naive view of life. You might try to explain how the CIA teaching people effective ways of torturing is a "step toward a better system", while you also ponder on the ethics and morality of the US supporting and financing a genocidal Communist regime.
If the word 'hypocrisy' comes to mind, you'll have learned something.
 
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Rush says that Libs and Leftists screw up everything they touch.

I think there may be some hyperbole in his statement, but even a casual look at the country, the government and the culture, might prompt a sensible observer to want to see how the Left would defend against that generality.

In other words, they couldn't dismiss the claim out of hand.
I'm surely not going to defend Liberals as to not having their flaws - they do. In fact, I'll even go one further by saying there are many Conservative values I hold dear in my personal life & family life. And I very much respect principled Conservatives. Quite honestly, the body politic needs a melange of ideas from both ends of the spectrum to be effective, IMO.

Here's why I practice moderate Conservatism in my personal life, but often adhere to Liberal policies in my public policy:

1] Being raised a Catholic, I strongly believe we are all God's children and have a responsibility to each other. I am my brother's keeper. Feel free to take that literally, or metaphorically; it doesn't matter.

As such above, I believe we as a society should provide basic safety nets for the less fortunate. I include universal healthcare in the above, along with other life-sustaining assistance for those deserved through no fault of their own. I'm indeed a committed capitalist - wouldn't have it any other way. But I believe our economic system is a tool of society, and therefore capitalism should be practiced with reasonable social restraint.

2] I've been around enough years to have some strongly developed core values I live by, but I do not believe I have the right impress those values upon others - even those values I may abhor. "Live & let live", is my motto.

I'm near Libertarian in the aspect of not imposing my beliefs on others in my fellow humanity. Ditto (especially) for my fellow Americans. I respect my fellow Americans' right to live a free life as free men and women, with no interference from me. In addition, I respect my fellow Americans for whatever values they may bring to the table, including those that differ from mine. Being American requires only one thing - an oath to the Constitution. Take that oath and live it, and you have my respect first and foremost above all else - including whatever values difference we may have. Consequently, I deffer to the Constitution as the final arbiter of public policy. There are some things I find anywhere from distasteful to abhorrent, things I would never practice in my personal life; but I respect the Constitution to the point that I support my fellow Americans' right to do them. And I'll fight for their rights, as much as I may not like them.

So there you have it. This is why my public politics is Liberal, even though my personal & family life would probably delight many reasonable Conservatives.
 
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