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Native Americans

No the Indians were not the first humans to the inhabit America, stone age Europeans were here long before the first arrival of what people want to call native Americans.

Indians came over the bearing straight from Kamchaka.

The next to get here were the Norse Vikings.

Then Columbus.

Shipwrecks can always infuse DNA which gets into everybody in five-thousand years, but it is doubtful any would survive in the hostile culture.

What did the Indians call America?
 
Are you being dense on purpose or do you just want to argue about something you evidently know little about. NO they did not swim, they walked, they walked over the land bridge between Siberia and Alaska AKA, the Bering Strait.

So when did they do this? Where is the evidence for European settlement of the Americas, prior to 14,000 years ago, which is the approximate date that the ancestors of American Indians arrived in the Americas.
 
Are you being dense on purpose or do you just want to argue about something you evidently know little about. NO they did not swim, they walked, they walked over the land bridge between Siberia and Alaska AKA, the Bering Strait.

I didn't know Siberia was part of Europe. Learn something every day.
 
We can celebrate Thanksgiving without worrying that we are actually celebrating the genocide of the native Americans.

Long before Europeans came. war and conquest were always an acceptable means of acquiring land by Native Americans. Today, they're just mad they lost.
 
The only difference between the ancestors to so called native Americans and everyone else's is that they walked here. Peoples have been migrating and usurping those that came before since the beginning of time.

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Except there was no one here to usurp when the American Indians arrived. That's why we call them natives.
 
They prefer to be called by their tribal name. Failing that, they're cool with "American Indian."
 
Thanksgiving is a celebration of an act of kindness shown to white settlers by a native tribe. Is your rant intended to commemorate this?

Thanksgiving is about the colonies moving to a capitalist economy and how much abundance that gave them over the socialist economy they had previously. It has little if anything to do with Natives beyond their participation in colonial agriculture and trade. Thanksgiving is a celebration of capitalism.
 
Long before Europeans came. war and conquest were always an acceptable means of acquiring land by Native Americans. Today, they're just mad they lost.

Wasn't much of a war. More like taking candy from a technologically inferior baby.
 
Wasn't much of a war. More like taking candy from a technologically inferior baby.
Whenever civilizations meet, it always ends badly for the lower-technology culture....which is why we probably should not be looking for intelligent alien life, but I digress.
 
Thanksgiving is about the colonies moving to a capitalist economy and how much abundance that gave them over the socialist economy they had previously. It has little if anything to do with Natives beyond their participation in colonial agriculture and trade. Thanksgiving is a celebration of capitalism.

Haha good one. No natives, colony starves. No abundance and no capitalism. Thank the Indians :)
 
Are you being dense on purpose or do you just want to argue about something you evidently know little about. NO they did not swim, they walked, they walked over the land bridge between Siberia and Alaska AKA, the Bering Strait.

Those were the people who became the indigenous people of the Americas.
 
Indians came over the bearing straight from Kamchaka.

The next to get here were the Norse Vikings.

Then Columbus.

Shipwrecks can always infuse DNA which gets into everybody in five-thousand years, but it is doubtful any would survive in the hostile culture.

What did the Indians call America?

I think before Columbus I would place Chinese Admiral Zheng who made a detailed map of America dating back to 1418.
 
First, there were no native Americans, in fact, no native humans to what is now the North Americas. They came across the Bering Strait land bridge between 10 and 15 thousand years ago and were from the Clovis culture. But they were predated by stone-age Europeans by about 10,000 years. When the first modern setters arrived the native "Indians" were still living in the stone age. Thanksgiving was actually a thanks to God, by the Pilgrims, to give thanks for guiding them to become a thriving colony. The Indians who helped them through the winter and taught them how to work the land here were also guests at what became known as the first Thanksgiving. The food was brought by all and shared by all.

'Nativist' horse hockey. To use your 'definition' there are no natives anyplace and we Americans have as little claim to this land as the Native Americans. We are just another wandering band to temporarily occupy this land, the immigrants from the South have as much right to be here as we did back in the early 18th century... :roll:

The Israelis have no 'native' claim to their homeland as they came from someplace other as well...

When the first Thanksgiving was held the colony was hanging on by their collective belts, the death rate that winter was staggering and the urban settlers were ill prepared for agrarian life. Their arrogance may have led them to give credit to their god but it was the soon to be dead natives they needed to thank.

Fun fact you failed to mention- there was no second Thanksgiving feast with the natives- mostly because there were no natives left! :shock:

The region's tribes were decimated by disease and the survivors too weak to resist the invasion of more settlers.

Now that's a thanks the natives could do without.

Now to ignore your modern day revisionism, the contemporary European/'American' invader/settlers referred to the 'Indians' as natives and justified their invasion as taking a barren open land to use for god's greater glory and using a made up pretext- Manifest Destiny- to excuse the genocide that occurred after.

I wonder if the newest wave of immigrants can claim the same sort of 'Destiny'??? :peace
 
Thanksgiving is about the colonies moving to a capitalist economy and how much abundance that gave them over the socialist economy they had previously. It has little if anything to do with Natives beyond their participation in colonial agriculture and trade. Thanksgiving is a celebration of capitalism.

America's prosperity had nothing to do with Capitalism, it had only to do with the abundant resources available in the new land.

Look how it was squandered by Capitalism, think where we could be if there were some other system, better.

Capitalism is as essential as your liver and so is socialism.
 
I think before Columbus I would place Chinese Admiral Zheng who made a detailed map of America dating back to 1418.

Sure, the question is, who was the first to rape the natives and produce progeny?

Could any lost ship ever survive in the new culture and could we find it in a survey?

That would be cool hey.
 
Whenever civilizations meet, it always ends badly for the lower-technology culture....which is why we probably should not be looking for intelligent alien life, but I digress.

Let's face it. The worst case scenario for finding intelligent life is that they're like us.
 
Whenever civilizations meet, it always ends badly for the lower-technology culture....which is why we probably should not be looking for intelligent alien life, but I digress.

It just amuses me when people call european colonization of the Americas a "conquest". Like yeah you had to try real hard to win that one, bet you're proud.
 
I would like to call them American Indians. Why? Because that's what we always called them.

Have you ever considered asking?
I know, yes I know it is out there on thinking
 
By that logic, the only place with native humans is Africa. But that's not what the word generally means when referring to an indigenous population. It means the first humans to arrive and inhabit a particular area. And the Native Americans were the first humans to inhabit America. Hence the name.

Furthermore, without native help, the colony would not have been successful. No Indians, no Thanksgiving. Thank them, not God.

Progressives don't thank God for anything, since they "know" that gods aren't real.
 
America's prosperity had nothing to do with Capitalism...
America didn't even exist at the time for my post to be about American success, for you to now argue against it. You're way off-topic.
 
Every liberal progressive that I know celebrates Thanksgiving. But most also believe that we should do a better job reciprocating the kindness shown to white settlers by Native Americans. Given historical treatment of American Indians, I'm inclined to agree.

I wasn't here when the European - Indian hostility was occurring. And my ancestors weren't here either. So I don't think I should pay reparations to the Indians.

And if you read history books that weren't written by Marxists, you would know that the hostility went both ways.
 
I would like to call them American Indians. Why? Because that's what we always called them. It was based on the mistaken idea that the New World was India. But calling this continent America was a mistake also. We didn't feel obliged to change it out of political correctness.

Progressives like changing the names of things. Never call an Afro-American a "colored person." Please, be politically correct and call them a "person of color." What the heck is the difference??

So, I should be allowed to call native Americans Indians. I hope you don't mind.

We are often told that the white settlers massacred the American Indians, and that it was an intentional genocide. No, that is just another progressive/liberal myth.

First, no one knows how many Indians were here before the settlers arrived. It could have been one million, or ten million, or more. At the end of the 19th century, there were only 250,000. We really have no idea how many died because of the settlers.

But we do know that MOST of the Indian deaths were caused by the settlers bringing infectious diseases. Diseases such as smallpox, measles, etc., had never existed in America, so the Indians had no immunity.

No, the European settlers did NOT bring these diseases intentionally, because they wanted to kill Indians.

American Indians were defeated by microbes. It was not genocide.

European settlers did start arriving in huge numbers and took the Indians' hunting land, that is true. But indigenous people all over the world have been crowded out by modern society. I think it really is too bad, and I think their way of life was superior to ours in many ways.

But there was NO genocide of the American Indians. First, we don't know how many died because of the settlers. Second, we know that most of those who died were killed by diseases, and were NOT intentionally murdered. Third, the settlers were interested in acquiring agricultural land. They were NOT trying to stamp out the Indians because of their race.

You get an A for re-writing history.
 
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