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Good4Nothin

Good4Nothin

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I would like to call them American Indians. Why? Because that's what we always called them. It was based on the mistaken idea that the New World was India. But calling this continent America was a mistake also. We didn't feel obliged to change it out of political correctness.

Progressives like changing the names of things. Never call an Afro-American a "colored person." Please, be politically correct and call them a "person of color." What the heck is the difference??

So, I should be allowed to call native Americans Indians. I hope you don't mind.

We are often told that the white settlers massacred the American Indians, and that it was an intentional genocide. No, that is just another progressive/liberal myth.

First, no one knows how many Indians were here before the settlers arrived. It could have been one million, or ten million, or more. At the end of the 19th century, there were only 250,000. We really have no idea how many died because of the settlers.

But we do know that MOST of the Indian deaths were caused by the settlers bringing infectious diseases. Diseases such as smallpox, measles, etc., had never existed in America, so the Indians had no immunity.

No, the European settlers did NOT bring these diseases intentionally, because they wanted to kill Indians.

American Indians were defeated by microbes. It was not genocide.

European settlers did start arriving in huge numbers and took the Indians' hunting land, that is true. But indigenous people all over the world have been crowded out by modern society. I think it really is too bad, and I think their way of life was superior to ours in many ways.

But there was NO genocide of the American Indians. First, we don't know how many died because of the settlers. Second, we know that most of those who died were killed by diseases, and were NOT intentionally murdered. Third, the settlers were interested in acquiring agricultural land. They were NOT trying to stamp out the Indians because of their race.
 
And your point is?
 
Crosscheck said:
And your point is?
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We can celebrate Thanksgiving without worrying that we are actually celebrating the genocide of the native Americans.
 
Good4Nothin said:
I would like to call them American Indians. Why? Because that's what we always called them. It was based on the mistaken idea that the New World was India. But calling this continent America was a mistake also. We didn't feel obliged to change it out of political correctness.

Progressives like changing the names of things. Never call an Afro-American a "colored person." Please, be politically correct and call them a "person of color." What the heck is the difference??

So, I should be allowed to call native Americans Indians. I hope you don't mind.

We are often told that the white settlers massacred the American Indians, and that it was an intentional genocide. No, that is just another progressive/liberal myth.

First, no one knows how many Indians were here before the settlers arrived. It could have been one million, or ten million, or more. At the end of the 19th century, there were only 250,000. We really have no idea how many died because of the settlers.

But we do know that MOST of the Indian deaths were caused by the settlers bringing infectious diseases. Diseases such as smallpox, measles, etc., had never existed in America, so the Indians had no immunity.

No, the European settlers did NOT bring these diseases intentionally, because they wanted to kill Indians.

American Indians were defeated by microbes. It was not genocide.

European settlers did start arriving in huge numbers and took the Indians' hunting land, that is true. But indigenous people all over the world have been crowded out by modern society. I think it really is too bad, and I think their way of life was superior to ours in many ways.

But there was NO genocide of the American Indians. First, we don't know how many died because of the settlers. Second, we know that most of those who died were killed by diseases, and were NOT intentionally murdered. Third, the settlers were interested in acquiring agricultural land. They were NOT trying to stamp out the Indians because of their race.
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Your post is riddled with inaccuracies. I’d feel sorry for you, but I can’t be bothered with it.
 
Superfly said:
Your post is riddled with inaccuracies. I’d feel sorry for you, but I can’t be bothered with it.
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Your brain is riddle with inaccuracies.
 
Good4Nothin said:
We can celebrate Thanksgiving without worrying that we are actually celebrating the genocide of the native Americans.
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Thanksgiving is a celebration of an act of kindness shown to white settlers by a native tribe. Is your rant intended to commemorate this?
 
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Thanksgiving is a celebration of an act of kindness shown to white settlers by a native tribe. Is your rant intended to commemorate this?
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It is true that there were sometimes friendly relations between settlers and Indians. Also a lot of hostility. And there was hostility between settlers (French vs English, for example) and between different Indian tribes.

There was a lot more violence, of all kinds, in America than there is now. We have effective police and military forces now, which they did not have then.
 
Good4Nothin said:
It is true that there were sometimes friendly relations between settlers and Indians. Also a lot of hostility. And there was hostility between settlers (French vs English, for example) and between different Indian tribes.

There was a lot more violence, of all kinds, in America than there is now. We have effective police and military forces now, which they did not have then.
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Agreed. But Thanksgiving is a celebration of cooperation and kindness. It's about giving help to strangers even when you have no reason to. Even when their plight is not your fault or responsibility. By ranting about how the fate of the natives was not the fault of the settlers, you essentially demonstrate that you've completely missed the point of Thanksgiving.
 
Irredentist said:
Agreed. But Thanksgiving is a celebration of cooperation and kindness. It's about giving help to strangers even when you have no reason to. Even when their plight is not your fault or responsibility. By ranting about how the fate of the natives was not the fault of the settlers, you essentially demonstrate that you've completely missed the point of Thanksgiving.
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I have been hearing leftists/progressives saying we should not celebrate Thanksgiving because we are celebrating the genocide of the Indians by the settlers! And that is a very popular progressive myth.

And I didn't rant that none of the Indian deaths were caused intentionally by settlers. Some were, but MOST were not. And the Indians were just as hostile and aggressive towards the settlers as the settlers were towards them.
 
Good4Nothin said:
I have been hearing leftists/progressives saying we should not celebrate Thanksgiving because we are celebrating the genocide of the Indians by the settlers! And that is a very popular progressive myth.
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You mean you heard it from Trump?
 
Good4Nothin said:
We can celebrate Thanksgiving without worrying that we are actually celebrating the genocide of the native Americans.
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First, there were no native Americans, in fact, no native humans to what is now the North Americas. They came across the Bering Strait land bridge between 10 and 15 thousand years ago and were from the Clovis culture. But they were predated by stone-age Europeans by about 10,000 years. When the first modern setters arrived the native "Indians" were still living in the stone age.

Thanksgiving was actually a thanks to God, by the Pilgrims, to give thanks for guiding them to become a thriving colony. The Indians who helped them through the winter and taught them how to work the land here were also guests at what became known as the first Thanksgiving. The food was brought by all and shared by all.
 
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First, there were no native Americans, in fact, no native humans to what is now the North Americas. They came across the Bering Strait land bridge between 10 and 15 thousand years ago and were from the Clovis culture. But they were predated by stone-age Europeans by about 10,000 years. When the first modern setters arrived the native "Indians" were still living in the stone age.

Thanksgiving was actually a thanks to God, by the Pilgrims, to give thanks for guiding them to become a thriving colony. The Indians who helped them through the winter and taught them how to work the land here were also guests at what became known as the first Thanksgiving. The food was brought by all and shared by all.
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By that logic, the only place with native humans is Africa. But that's not what the word generally means when referring to an indigenous population. It means the first humans to arrive and inhabit a particular area. And the Native Americans were the first humans to inhabit America. Hence the name.

Furthermore, without native help, the colony would not have been successful. No Indians, no Thanksgiving. Thank them, not God.
 
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Good4Nothin said:
I have been hearing leftists/progressives saying we should not celebrate Thanksgiving because we are celebrating the genocide of the Indians by the settlers! And that is a very popular progressive myth.

And I didn't rant that none of the Indian deaths were caused intentionally by settlers. Some were, but MOST were not. And the Indians were just as hostile and aggressive towards the settlers as the settlers were towards them.
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Every liberal progressive that I know celebrates Thanksgiving. But most also believe that we should do a better job reciprocating the kindness shown to white settlers by Native Americans. Given historical treatment of American Indians, I'm inclined to agree.
 
Good4Nothin said:
I would like to call them American Indians. Why? Because that's what we always called them. It was based on the mistaken idea that the New World was India. But calling this continent America was a mistake also. We didn't feel obliged to change it out of political correctness.

Progressives like changing the names of things. Never call an Afro-American a "colored person." Please, be politically correct and call them a "person of color." What the heck is the difference??

So, I should be allowed to call native Americans Indians. I hope you don't mind.

We are often told that the white settlers massacred the American Indians, and that it was an intentional genocide. No, that is just another progressive/liberal myth.

First, no one knows how many Indians were here before the settlers arrived. It could have been one million, or ten million, or more. At the end of the 19th century, there were only 250,000. We really have no idea how many died because of the settlers.

But we do know that MOST of the Indian deaths were caused by the settlers bringing infectious diseases. Diseases such as smallpox, measles, etc., had never existed in America, so the Indians had no immunity.

No, the European settlers did NOT bring these diseases intentionally, because they wanted to kill Indians.

American Indians were defeated by microbes. It was not genocide.

European settlers did start arriving in huge numbers and took the Indians' hunting land, that is true. But indigenous people all over the world have been crowded out by modern society. I think it really is too bad, and I think their way of life was superior to ours in many ways.

But there was NO genocide of the American Indians. First, we don't know how many died because of the settlers. Second, we know that most of those who died were killed by diseases, and were NOT intentionally murdered. Third, the settlers were interested in acquiring agricultural land. They were NOT trying to stamp out the Indians because of their race.
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I'll argue with ya'.

America shuffled spells I am race.

How God the great I am said to Moses I am that I am and how Amerigo Vespucci was Christopher Columbus's cartographer.
 
Irredentist said:
By that logic, the only place with native humans is Africa. But that's not what the word generally means when referring to an indigenous population. It means the first humans to arrive and inhabit a particular area. And the Native Americans were the first humans to the inhabit America. Hence the name.

Furthermore, without native help, the colony would not have been successful. No Indians, no Thanksgiving. Thank them, not God.
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No the Indians were not the first humans to the inhabit America, stone age Europeans were here long before the first arrival of what people want to call native Americans.
 
Good4Nothin said:
I would like to call them American Indians. Why? Because that's what we always called them. It was based on the mistaken idea that the New World was India. But calling this continent America was a mistake also. We didn't feel obliged to change it out of political correctness.

Progressives like changing the names of things. Never call an Afro-American a "colored person." Please, be politically correct and call them a "person of color." What the heck is the difference??

So, I should be allowed to call native Americans Indians. I hope you don't mind.

We are often told that the white settlers massacred the American Indians, and that it was an intentional genocide. No, that is just another progressive/liberal myth.

First, no one knows how many Indians were here before the settlers arrived. It could have been one million, or ten million, or more. At the end of the 19th century, there were only 250,000. We really have no idea how many died because of the settlers.

But we do know that MOST of the Indian deaths were caused by the settlers bringing infectious diseases. Diseases such as smallpox, measles, etc., had never existed in America, so the Indians had no immunity.

No, the European settlers did NOT bring these diseases intentionally, because they wanted to kill Indians.

American Indians were defeated by microbes. It was not genocide.

European settlers did start arriving in huge numbers and took the Indians' hunting land, that is true. But indigenous people all over the world have been crowded out by modern society. I think it really is too bad, and I think their way of life was superior to ours in many ways.

But there was NO genocide of the American Indians. First, we don't know how many died because of the settlers. Second, we know that most of those who died were killed by diseases, and were NOT intentionally murdered. Third, the settlers were interested in acquiring agricultural land. They were NOT trying to stamp out the Indians because of their race.
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Because calling them Indian is the epitome of ignorance.
 
Sabre said:
No the Indians were not the first humans to the inhabit America, stone age Europeans were here long before the first arrival of what people want to call native Americans.
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Yeah? How did they get here, swimming?
 
Irredentist said:
Yeah? How did they get here, swimming?
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Are you being dense on purpose or do you just want to argue about something you evidently know little about. NO they did not swim, they walked, they walked over the land bridge between Siberia and Alaska AKA, the Bering Strait.
 
The only difference between the ancestors to so called native Americans and everyone else's is that they walked here. Peoples have been migrating and usurping those that came before since the beginning of time.

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